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Speaker Pelosi Should Not Go To Taiwan!

JimofPennsylvan

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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is making an epic and catastrophic blunder going to Taiwan! Speaker Pelosi has good intentions she was early to visit Ukraine after the Russian invasion which commenced on February 24 bolstering support for Ukraine and she often takes actions to support human rights, to a significant degree she is a lot like the former Senator John McCain who because of his heroic life was able to travel the world as an ambassador for democracy and human rights. But good intentions don't always translate into wise actions; during the Iraq war after Saddam Hussein was overthrown Paul Bremer the head of the provisional authority who was a dedicated public servant had good intentions in disbanding the then Iraq army which had the practical consequence of creating a lot of unemployed Iraqi soldiers in desperate need for an income which resulted in them joining the insurgency and ending up costing a lot of U.S. soldiers their lives and limbs. During the Afghanistan war the U.S. authorities responsible for building needed infrastructure for Afghanistan had good intentions paying for security, not a security payroll but a contract fee for security mind you, for road and utility projects so they could be built but the practical effect was that the U.S. government was in fact funding the Taliban.

The practical effect of Speaker Pelosi's visit to Taiwan will be catastrophic, America's interest will be hurt and hurt truly badly. The Chinese embassy in Washington has told the U.S. government that the Speaker should not make this trip that it will be viewed as a serious transgression by China, the Chinese Foreign ministry has said the same thing and in fact the President of China, President Xi Jinping, in this phone call with President Biden last week was reported to be more emphatic about the stakes when he said "when you play with fire don't be surprised if you get burned"!

Speaker Pelosi is a smart lady who in this instance is acting mind boggling stupid she is not fully considering who she is dealing with that is the Communist Chinese government. People are characterizing this issue as a matter where Chinese face is on the line here; that the Chinese Congress will be occurring this fall where Xi Jinping will be seeking an unprecedented third term as President of China and so he cannot let the insult of the person second in line to the Presidency of the United States, China's principle adversary, visit what China believes is an errant province (Taiwan) that is not properly submitting to the authority of China, this great insult cannot go unaddressed it must be met with a severe penalty to the country, the United States, responsible for this insult. But I think that this analysis only begins the full analysis here; the communist Chinese government has a long history of retaliation against what it perceives as transgressions by other parties. President Trump issued tariffs to try to reduce the massive trade deficit the U.S. runs with China and what did China do it issued retaliatory tariffs; the United States blocked and advocated against the Chinese telecom company Huawei from being permitted to build telephone system because the Chinese government on most important matters is zero trustworthy and would involve itself with Huawei violating American security and privacy and what did China do it blocked U.S. chip maker Qualcomm from acquiring NXP in response, the U.S. government said that Chinese companies listed on U.S. stock exchanges must cooperate with U.S. audits so investors can know their sound and their financial statement are accurate or they will get delisted and what did the Chinese government do it started creating obstacles to Chinese companies listing on U.S. exchanges. One can cite examples like this galore!

A prudent person would conclude that one can be guaranteed that if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip to Taiwan the Chinese government will retaliate and retaliate big! The politics/economics commentator, Thomas Friedman, in the New York Times yesterday wrote in an Op-ed that the Pelosi trip is utterly reckless and he floated the option that China could retaliate by giving arms to Russia to conduct its invasion war against Russia. This will be catastrophic for the U.S. and the Ukrainian people if this happens because this will cost the lives and health of an abundance of virtuous Ukrainian men and women in uniform these admirable people who are just trying to preserve their country acting a lot like our ancestors did approximately 250 years ago in our War of Independence! The Russian government has expended a lot of its best military assets in this invasion of Ukraine war and is grappling with filling this loss; just last week I was reading how the Russian army during this war has lost a lot of its modern artillery guns and is now forced to use old artillery weapons. The Chinese army is a cutting edge modern army with an abundance of modern weapon systems if they throw their arsenal doors open to Vladimir Putin and his Russian Generals that will spell tragedy beyond words for the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian military is greatly admirable for its heart
and its wise use of limited resources but the truth of the matter is that they are really struggling to stop the Russians from conquering the balance of province of Donetsk and achieving the last of Putin's war objectives and the Ukrainian counteroffensive to free Kherson so Ukraine can get its agricultural export industry from the Black Sea to somewhat the level that existed prior to the war; if China puts its finger on the scale here being a big supplier of weapons for Russia one must conclude it spells doom for the Ukrainian people!

Democrat members of Congress should conduct a conference call with Speaker Pelosi and plead with her not to make this trip to Taiwan! The only thing that will come from this is great harm to America, America will be burned badly! And why, what is the reason so Ms. Nancy Pelosi can feel like she is a great ambassador for democracy and peace in the world; it is selfish beyond words if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip plus it shows the incompetency and dysfunction of the U.S. government, specifically the Democrat government in Washington, that it would carry out this self-inflicted wound on America especially when so many people are giving the Democrat Party a heads up, notification that a colossal mistake is being made here!
 

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Pelosi never has good intentions
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Stupid idea to go in the first place but the horse has bolted and it's too late now. If she doesn't go now the government will be seen as weak, which it is, but China will be even more emboldened.

The woman is a moron!
No argument there, but from what I understand, it was some genius in the White House that leaked her travel plans. All that needed to be done to avoid this kerfuffle was to make the visit quiet. She could have been on the ground before Xi or his scum ever knew it and they'd have had no chance to work themselves up into a damned frenzy of dangerous rhetoric. NOW, if she doesn't go it will be a tremendous victory for the CCP and likely lead to dangerous moves on their part due to their lack of respect for the current admin.
 

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Stupid idea to go in the first place but the horse has bolted and it's too late now. If she doesn't go now the government will be seen as weak, which it is, but China will be even more emboldened.

The woman is a moron!
The chinese are behaving recklessly

But I suspect its just a bluff

If nancy goes to Taiwan tomorrow as reported we will see
 

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The issue became so paramount in the eyes of U.S Interests that the core question shifted 180 degrees for the U.S government from, "what will happen if we go"? to "what will happen if we DON'T go"?

The diplomatic meeting escalated in importance due to the leaks and subsequent warnings that the damage to U.S reputation in backtracking this planned visit outweighed most potential risks of upsetting China. Correspondingly for China. Thus, the dilemma.

Pelosi cancelling her trip due to Covid may have been the first circumstance that set this course on track. Were American allies concerned that covid was just the excuse to appease China? Did China believe the same and determine "they will bend to our threats"?

This is why some of us were so angry when leaks became accepted since the Obama era and became even worse under Trump. In the latter case, the media and America Last global socialists cheered the leaks in the Trump administration, they continue today.

To complicate matters further, the leak could have come from Taiwan themselves, or, even Russia. That is how unique and multi-faceted this circumstance is.

If this situation had been conducted quietly, without notice, China could say to their members, "the damn Yanks snuck in without us being aware". Instead, today it's far more problematic.

Now, some might suggest that China is over reacting, after all, it's just a visit by a career politician. This is however, a key issue for China with a Party election soon upon them. Viewing it from the ruling parties perspective, a reaction of some substance will follow.

Will any reaction from China hurt the Dems politically? We shall see.
 

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Nancy is China

This is only a clever political ploy
 

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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is making an epic and catastrophic blunder going to Taiwan! Speaker Pelosi has good intentions she was early to visit Ukraine after the Russian invasion which commenced on February 24 bolstering support for Ukraine and she often takes actions to support human rights, to a significant degree she is a lot like the former Senator John McCain who because of his heroic life was able to travel the world as an ambassador for democracy and human rights. But good intentions don't always translate into wise actions; during the Iraq war after Saddam Hussein was overthrown Paul Bremer the head of the provisional authority who was a dedicated public servant had good intentions in disbanding the then Iraq army which had the practical consequence of creating a lot of unemployed Iraqi soldiers in desperate need for an income which resulted in them joining the insurgency and ending up costing a lot of U.S. soldiers their lives and limbs. During the Afghanistan war the U.S. authorities responsible for building needed infrastructure for Afghanistan had good intentions paying for security, not a security payroll but a contract fee for security mind you, for road and utility projects so they could be built but the practical effect was that the U.S. government was in fact funding the Taliban.

The practical effect of Speaker Pelosi's visit to Taiwan will be catastrophic, America's interest will be hurt and hurt truly badly. The Chinese embassy in Washington has told the U.S. government that the Speaker should not make this trip that it will be viewed as a serious transgression by China, the Chinese Foreign ministry has said the same thing and in fact the President of China, President Xi Jinping, in this phone call with President Biden last week was reported to be more emphatic about the stakes when he said "when you play with fire don't be surprised if you get burned"!

Speaker Pelosi is a smart lady who in this instance is acting mind boggling stupid she is not fully considering who she is dealing with that is the Communist Chinese government. People are characterizing this issue as a matter where Chinese face is on the line here; that the Chinese Congress will be occurring this fall where Xi Jinping will be seeking an unprecedented third term as President of China and so he cannot let the insult of the person second in line to the Presidency of the United States, China's principle adversary, visit what China believes is an errant province (Taiwan) that is not properly submitting to the authority of China, this great insult cannot go unaddressed it must be met with a severe penalty to the country, the United States, responsible for this insult. But I think that this analysis only begins the full analysis here; the communist Chinese government has a long history of retaliation against what it perceives as transgressions by other parties. President Trump issued tariffs to try to reduce the massive trade deficit the U.S. runs with China and what did China do it issued retaliatory tariffs; the United States blocked and advocated against the Chinese telecom company Huawei from being permitted to build telephone system because the Chinese government on most important matters is zero trustworthy and would involve itself with Huawei violating American security and privacy and what did China do it blocked U.S. chip maker Qualcomm from acquiring NXP in response, the U.S. government said that Chinese companies listed on U.S. stock exchanges must cooperate with U.S. audits so investors can know their sound and their financial statement are accurate or they will get delisted and what did the Chinese government do it started creating obstacles to Chinese companies listing on U.S. exchanges. One can cite examples like this galore!

A prudent person would conclude that one can be guaranteed that if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip to Taiwan the Chinese government will retaliate and retaliate big! The politics/economics commentator, Thomas Friedman, in the New York Times yesterday wrote in an Op-ed that the Pelosi trip is utterly reckless and he floated the option that China could retaliate by giving arms to Russia to conduct its invasion war against Russia. This will be catastrophic for the U.S. and the Ukrainian people if this happens because this will cost the lives and health of an abundance of virtuous Ukrainian men and women in uniform these admirable people who are just trying to preserve their country acting a lot like our ancestors did approximately 250 years ago in our War of Independence! The Russian government has expended a lot of its best military assets in this invasion of Ukraine war and is grappling with filling this loss; just last week I was reading how the Russian army during this war has lost a lot of its modern artillery guns and is now forced to use old artillery weapons. The Chinese army is a cutting edge modern army with an abundance of modern weapon systems if they throw their arsenal doors open to Vladimir Putin and his Russian Generals that will spell tragedy beyond words for the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian military is greatly admirable for its heart
and its wise use of limited resources but the truth of the matter is that they are really struggling to stop the Russians from conquering the balance of province of Donetsk and achieving the last of Putin's war objectives and the Ukrainian counteroffensive to free Kherson so Ukraine can get its agricultural export industry from the Black Sea to somewhat the level that existed prior to the war; if China puts its finger on the scale here being a big supplier of weapons for Russia one must conclude it spells doom for the Ukrainian people!

Democrat members of Congress should conduct a conference call with Speaker Pelosi and plead with her not to make this trip to Taiwan! The only thing that will come from this is great harm to America, America will be burned badly! And why, what is the reason so Ms. Nancy Pelosi can feel like she is a great ambassador for democracy and peace in the world; it is selfish beyond words if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip plus it shows the incompetency and dysfunction of the U.S. government, specifically the Democrat government in Washington, that it would carry out this self-inflicted wound on America especially when so many people are giving the Democrat Party a heads up, notification that a colossal mistake is being made here!
We all know that China has been building up its army while Joe Biden has been tearing our military apart with woke ideas. In the Art of War, you make the enemy show their hand while they are still in the building phase not when they have so amassed their forces that your own military is overwhelmed. Even now the Chinese are putting bases in north and south America, we either have a war now, while we still have something to fight with, or we go to war later, when there is no protection from the gays and trannies left in the military.
 

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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is making an epic and catastrophic blunder going to Taiwan! Speaker Pelosi has good intentions she was early to visit Ukraine after the Russian invasion which commenced on February 24 bolstering support for Ukraine and she often takes actions to support human rights, to a significant degree she is a lot like the former Senator John McCain who because of his heroic life was able to travel the world as an ambassador for democracy and human rights. But good intentions don't always translate into wise actions; during the Iraq war after Saddam Hussein was overthrown Paul Bremer the head of the provisional authority who was a dedicated public servant had good intentions in disbanding the then Iraq army which had the practical consequence of creating a lot of unemployed Iraqi soldiers in desperate need for an income which resulted in them joining the insurgency and ending up costing a lot of U.S. soldiers their lives and limbs. During the Afghanistan war the U.S. authorities responsible for building needed infrastructure for Afghanistan had good intentions paying for security, not a security payroll but a contract fee for security mind you, for road and utility projects so they could be built but the practical effect was that the U.S. government was in fact funding the Taliban.

The practical effect of Speaker Pelosi's visit to Taiwan will be catastrophic, America's interest will be hurt and hurt truly badly. The Chinese embassy in Washington has told the U.S. government that the Speaker should not make this trip that it will be viewed as a serious transgression by China, the Chinese Foreign ministry has said the same thing and in fact the President of China, President Xi Jinping, in this phone call with President Biden last week was reported to be more emphatic about the stakes when he said "when you play with fire don't be surprised if you get burned"!

Speaker Pelosi is a smart lady who in this instance is acting mind boggling stupid she is not fully considering who she is dealing with that is the Communist Chinese government. People are characterizing this issue as a matter where Chinese face is on the line here; that the Chinese Congress will be occurring this fall where Xi Jinping will be seeking an unprecedented third term as President of China and so he cannot let the insult of the person second in line to the Presidency of the United States, China's principle adversary, visit what China believes is an errant province (Taiwan) that is not properly submitting to the authority of China, this great insult cannot go unaddressed it must be met with a severe penalty to the country, the United States, responsible for this insult. But I think that this analysis only begins the full analysis here; the communist Chinese government has a long history of retaliation against what it perceives as transgressions by other parties. President Trump issued tariffs to try to reduce the massive trade deficit the U.S. runs with China and what did China do it issued retaliatory tariffs; the United States blocked and advocated against the Chinese telecom company Huawei from being permitted to build telephone system because the Chinese government on most important matters is zero trustworthy and would involve itself with Huawei violating American security and privacy and what did China do it blocked U.S. chip maker Qualcomm from acquiring NXP in response, the U.S. government said that Chinese companies listed on U.S. stock exchanges must cooperate with U.S. audits so investors can know their sound and their financial statement are accurate or they will get delisted and what did the Chinese government do it started creating obstacles to Chinese companies listing on U.S. exchanges. One can cite examples like this galore!

A prudent person would conclude that one can be guaranteed that if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip to Taiwan the Chinese government will retaliate and retaliate big! The politics/economics commentator, Thomas Friedman, in the New York Times yesterday wrote in an Op-ed that the Pelosi trip is utterly reckless and he floated the option that China could retaliate by giving arms to Russia to conduct its invasion war against Russia. This will be catastrophic for the U.S. and the Ukrainian people if this happens because this will cost the lives and health of an abundance of virtuous Ukrainian men and women in uniform these admirable people who are just trying to preserve their country acting a lot like our ancestors did approximately 250 years ago in our War of Independence! The Russian government has expended a lot of its best military assets in this invasion of Ukraine war and is grappling with filling this loss; just last week I was reading how the Russian army during this war has lost a lot of its modern artillery guns and is now forced to use old artillery weapons. The Chinese army is a cutting edge modern army with an abundance of modern weapon systems if they throw their arsenal doors open to Vladimir Putin and his Russian Generals that will spell tragedy beyond words for the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian military is greatly admirable for its heart
and its wise use of limited resources but the truth of the matter is that they are really struggling to stop the Russians from conquering the balance of province of Donetsk and achieving the last of Putin's war objectives and the Ukrainian counteroffensive to free Kherson so Ukraine can get its agricultural export industry from the Black Sea to somewhat the level that existed prior to the war; if China puts its finger on the scale here being a big supplier of weapons for Russia one must conclude it spells doom for the Ukrainian people!

Democrat members of Congress should conduct a conference call with Speaker Pelosi and plead with her not to make this trip to Taiwan! The only thing that will come from this is great harm to America, America will be burned badly! And why, what is the reason so Ms. Nancy Pelosi can feel like she is a great ambassador for democracy and peace in the world; it is selfish beyond words if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip plus it shows the incompetency and dysfunction of the U.S. government, specifically the Democrat government in Washington, that it would carry out this self-inflicted wound on America especially when so many people are giving the Democrat Party a heads up, notification that a colossal mistake is being made here!
So, at this point the cat is out of the bag…She either goes, and calls their bluff, or she doesn’t go, and America projects yet more weakness on the world stage.
 

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Internet: "Just so it's clear. Pelosi is Constitutionally 2nd in line to POTUS, so this is a state visit from the standpoint of diplomatic protocol. That, as a former US UN ambassador told me, is a clear violation of the '72 Shanghai Communique. That's why China will respond."
 

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The Nazi dems have to come up with some new dramatization to thwart their November defeat. Scripts for the show have only been given out to a select few including JoeXi, his handlers, and Xi himself.
 

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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is making an epic and catastrophic blunder going to Taiwan! Speaker Pelosi has good intentions she was early to visit Ukraine after the Russian invasion which commenced on February 24 bolstering support for Ukraine and she often takes actions to support human rights, to a significant degree she is a lot like the former Senator John McCain who because of his heroic life was able to travel the world as an ambassador for democracy and human rights. But good intentions don't always translate into wise actions; during the Iraq war after Saddam Hussein was overthrown Paul Bremer the head of the provisional authority who was a dedicated public servant had good intentions in disbanding the then Iraq army which had the practical consequence of creating a lot of unemployed Iraqi soldiers in desperate need for an income which resulted in them joining the insurgency and ending up costing a lot of U.S. soldiers their lives and limbs. During the Afghanistan war the U.S. authorities responsible for building needed infrastructure for Afghanistan had good intentions paying for security, not a security payroll but a contract fee for security mind you, for road and utility projects so they could be built but the practical effect was that the U.S. government was in fact funding the Taliban.

The practical effect of Speaker Pelosi's visit to Taiwan will be catastrophic, America's interest will be hurt and hurt truly badly. The Chinese embassy in Washington has told the U.S. government that the Speaker should not make this trip that it will be viewed as a serious transgression by China, the Chinese Foreign ministry has said the same thing and in fact the President of China, President Xi Jinping, in this phone call with President Biden last week was reported to be more emphatic about the stakes when he said "when you play with fire don't be surprised if you get burned"!

Speaker Pelosi is a smart lady who in this instance is acting mind boggling stupid she is not fully considering who she is dealing with that is the Communist Chinese government. People are characterizing this issue as a matter where Chinese face is on the line here; that the Chinese Congress will be occurring this fall where Xi Jinping will be seeking an unprecedented third term as President of China and so he cannot let the insult of the person second in line to the Presidency of the United States, China's principle adversary, visit what China believes is an errant province (Taiwan) that is not properly submitting to the authority of China, this great insult cannot go unaddressed it must be met with a severe penalty to the country, the United States, responsible for this insult. But I think that this analysis only begins the full analysis here; the communist Chinese government has a long history of retaliation against what it perceives as transgressions by other parties. President Trump issued tariffs to try to reduce the massive trade deficit the U.S. runs with China and what did China do it issued retaliatory tariffs; the United States blocked and advocated against the Chinese telecom company Huawei from being permitted to build telephone system because the Chinese government on most important matters is zero trustworthy and would involve itself with Huawei violating American security and privacy and what did China do it blocked U.S. chip maker Qualcomm from acquiring NXP in response, the U.S. government said that Chinese companies listed on U.S. stock exchanges must cooperate with U.S. audits so investors can know their sound and their financial statement are accurate or they will get delisted and what did the Chinese government do it started creating obstacles to Chinese companies listing on U.S. exchanges. One can cite examples like this galore!

A prudent person would conclude that one can be guaranteed that if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip to Taiwan the Chinese government will retaliate and retaliate big! The politics/economics commentator, Thomas Friedman, in the New York Times yesterday wrote in an Op-ed that the Pelosi trip is utterly reckless and he floated the option that China could retaliate by giving arms to Russia to conduct its invasion war against Russia. This will be catastrophic for the U.S. and the Ukrainian people if this happens because this will cost the lives and health of an abundance of virtuous Ukrainian men and women in uniform these admirable people who are just trying to preserve their country acting a lot like our ancestors did approximately 250 years ago in our War of Independence! The Russian government has expended a lot of its best military assets in this invasion of Ukraine war and is grappling with filling this loss; just last week I was reading how the Russian army during this war has lost a lot of its modern artillery guns and is now forced to use old artillery weapons. The Chinese army is a cutting edge modern army with an abundance of modern weapon systems if they throw their arsenal doors open to Vladimir Putin and his Russian Generals that will spell tragedy beyond words for the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian military is greatly admirable for its heart
and its wise use of limited resources but the truth of the matter is that they are really struggling to stop the Russians from conquering the balance of province of Donetsk and achieving the last of Putin's war objectives and the Ukrainian counteroffensive to free Kherson so Ukraine can get its agricultural export industry from the Black Sea to somewhat the level that existed prior to the war; if China puts its finger on the scale here being a big supplier of weapons for Russia one must conclude it spells doom for the Ukrainian people!

Democrat members of Congress should conduct a conference call with Speaker Pelosi and plead with her not to make this trip to Taiwan! The only thing that will come from this is great harm to America, America will be burned badly! And why, what is the reason so Ms. Nancy Pelosi can feel like she is a great ambassador for democracy and peace in the world; it is selfish beyond words if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip plus it shows the incompetency and dysfunction of the U.S. government, specifically the Democrat government in Washington, that it would carry out this self-inflicted wound on America especially when so many people are giving the Democrat Party a heads up, notification that a colossal mistake is being made here!
You must feel like quite an idiot about now.
 

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