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Uh-huh.Two years in a row with record low minimum ice extents have now been followed by a winter in which sea ice has not returned as it should. Historically, there should be 16.4 million square kilometers of ice there right now. The actual extent is 14.1 million. Scientists are fearful they are looking at a collapse of Antarctica's sea ice which will lead to a dramatic acceleration of the ice sheets glacial flow into the sea and could very possibly lead to the catastrophic collapse of the isostatic WAIS. We would be able to see sea level rise on a photograph of the Statue of Liberty.
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If Obama lives till he's 90 years old and sea levels rise at their worst case scenario, levels will be up roughly 10 inches. And what makes you think the Obamas aren't going to sell the place in a few years?Uh-huh.
Have the Obamas put up their Martha's Vineyard properties for sale at "soon to be underwater" prices? What about Sheldon Whitehouse and his whites only beach club? Is he looking for (future) beachfront property in Arizona?
Is Hollywood looking to re-locate to Kansas?
The left doesn't really believe this stuff. For decades we've been told that the disaster is ten years away, and it never happens.
There is nothing to give any real arguments against.If Obama lives till he's 90 years old and sea levels rise at their worst case scenario, levels will be up roughly 10 inches. And what makes you think the Obamas aren't going to sell the place in a few years?
Do you realize how obvious it is that you all make these sorts of arguments because you don't have any real ones?
If Obama lives till he's 90 years old and sea levels rise at their worst case scenario, levels will be up roughly 10 inches. And what makes you think the Obamas aren't going to sell the place in a few years?
Do you realize how obvious it is that you all make these sorts of arguments because you don't have any real ones?
Than you accept the validity of AGW theory. Excellent. Now start voting that way.There is nothing to give any real arguments against.
The predictions of mainstream science are as follows:These apocolyptic [sic] fantasies of soon-to-come climate disasters, always to be caused by some combination of the free market and the free world have been made for decades. In each case, they have debunked themselves through the mere passage of time.
Of course I don't accept "AGW theory." It's too absurd. How in the world would voting affect AGW if it was real?Than you accept the validity of AGW theory. Excellent. Now start voting that way.
"In concert?" That's not a scientific term.The predictions of mainstream science are as follows:
1) CO2 in the atmosphere will continue to increase
2) Global temperatures and sea levels will continue to rise in concert with CO2
Absurd.The rest of the predictions deniers like to claim have failed were composed by fossil fuel industry PR hacks that are making the lot of you their useful idiots.
www.reuters.com
longreads.com
That's too bad.Of course I don't accept "AGW theory."
It's mainstream science.It's too absurd.
Be electing candidates who also realize that AGW is valid and a threat with which we must deal.How in the world would voting affect AGW if it was real?
I think it works perfectly. Being in concert looks like this:"In concert?" That's not a scientific term.
www.climatecentral.org
stats.stackexchange.com
Claiming that they're not correlated is absurd.Absurd.
No, they didn't. This didThe fossil fuel industry did not prompt Al Gore to make his insane statement that the North Polar ice cap would be completely gone by now.
Yes, though I think more of an exaggeration than a misunderstandingThat was his misunderstanding of the research of from climatologist Dr Wieslav Maslowski, who worked for the Naval Postgraduate School, not for Shell Oil.
Newsweek may have published an article on the topic back then, but they were not its originators. And neither was the fossil fuel industry.Al Gore did not âpredictâ ice caps melting by 2013 but misrepresented data
A 2009 comment by former U.S. vice president Al Gore that the North Pole would be ice-free by summer 2013 has gone viral in tandem with COP26 climate talks in Glasgow. The quote has been used to claim he made bogus predictions. While he did say something similar, the claim misrepresents his...
It was not Oil and Gas News that predicted a new ice age was coming in 1975. That was Newsweek.
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From 1945 to 1970, global temperatures did drop. But you cannot gig Gore for having misstated Maslowski's comment about Arctic ice extents and then give Newsweek a pass on this.In 1975, Newsweek Predicted A New Ice Age. We’re Still Living with the Consequences. - Longreads
All climate change deniers needed was one article to cast doubt on the science of global warming.
And then, they will do what exactly? How will those candidates stop global warming?That's too bad.
It's mainstream science.
Be electing candidates who also realize that AGW is valid and a threat with which we must deal.
I think it works perfectly. Being in concert looks like this:
Yearly Carbon Dioxide Peak | Climate Central
Peak atmospheric carbon dioxide reached another record this year, and a new way to look at CO2 trends over the last 800,000 years—the Carbon Skyscraper—captures how pronounced human influence has been on the CO2 record.
AND this
AND this
Does the high coefficient of determination in this graph predict a huge spike in global warming?
I have had three semesters of college statistics as part of my BSBA degree. From what I recall from regression analysis the graph seems to show a very high coefficient of determination between CO2 ...
Claiming that they're not correlated is absurd.
No, they didn't. This did
Yes, though I think more of an exaggeration than a misunderstanding
Newsweek may have published an article on the topic back then, but they were not its originators. And neither was the fossil fuel industry.
Are all these comments about what the fossil fuel industry didn't say supposed to refute their PR hackery concerning AGW? If so, you've failed completely
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A study has shown the PR industry plays a key role in downplaying the seriousness of the climate crisis — and the pressure to hold it accountable is mounting.
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Oil, gas, and coal companies share an outsized responsibility for the climate crisis.www.ucsusa.org
From 1945 to 1970, global temperatures did drop. But you cannot gig Gore for having misstated Maslowski's comment about Arctic ice extents and then give Newsweek a pass on this.
Eco-Economy Indicators - Global Temperature | EPI
www.earth-policy.org
The Statue of Liberty knows how to tread water. Nothing anyone can do about ice melting.Two years in a row with record low minimum ice extents have now been followed by a winter in which sea ice has not returned as it should. Historically, there should be 16.4 million square kilometers of ice there right now. The actual extent is 14.1 million. Scientists are fearful they are looking at a collapse of Antarctica's sea ice which will lead to a dramatic acceleration of the ice sheets glacial flow into the sea and could very possibly lead to the catastrophic collapse of the isostatic WAIS. We would be able to see sea level rise on a photograph of the Statue of Liberty.
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We can stop emitting the CO2 that is causing it to melt.The Statue of Liberty knows how to tread water. Nothing anyone can do about ice melting.
That isn't causing ice to melt. You're falling for propaganda. This planet had 3 ice ages that we know of before man was around. Who produced the CO2 to cause the melting?We can stop emitting the CO2 that is causing it to melt.
Yes, it is. Ice is melting in the Arctic, in Greenland, in Antarctica on land and sea and in glaciers around the planet. That ice is melting because the Earth's temperature is increasing. Earth's temperature is increasing because the greenhouse effect is being enhanced by human CO2 emissions from the combustion of fossil fuels in our automobiles and power plants.That isn't causing ice to melt.
No, I am not. I am reading and accepting mainstream studies conducted and published by scientists from all over the planet.You're falling for propaganda.
There have been five major ice ages and we are in one now.This planet had 3 ice ages that we know of before man was around.
Here is an informative discussion of ice ages I found from the Utah Geological Survey. It's only about a page longWho produced the CO2 to cause the melting?
Can you show us the science and physics by which atmospheric CO2 skips “warming” the atmosphere and directly heats the deep ocean?Al Gore does not figure into the trend in Antarctic sea ice discussed in the OP. I'm guessing you have no actual data with which to argue but please feel free to prove me wrong.
China on average build 2 new coal plants a week, why don’t you direct your efforts there?Yes, it is. Ice is melting in the Arctic, in Greenland, in Antarctica on land and sea and in glaciers around the planet. That ice is melting because the Earth's temperature is increasing. Earth's temperature is increasing because the greenhouse effect is being enhanced by human CO2 emissions from the combustion of fossil fuels in our automobiles and power plants.
If you have some other explanation for the world's ice melting, I would VERY much like to hear it.
No, I am not. I am reading and accepting mainstream studies conducted and published by scientists from all over the planet.
There have been five major ice ages and we are in one now.
Here is an informative discussion of ice ages I found from the Utah Geological Survey. It's only about a page long
What is an ice age?An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when glaciers retreat (called interglacials or interglacial cycles) and colder temperatures when glaciers advance (called glacials or glacial cycles).At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth’s history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago. The last period of glaciation, which is often informally called the “Ice Age,” peaked about 20,000 years ago. At that time, the world was on average probably about 10°F (5°C) colder than today, and locally as much as 40°F (22°C) colder.
What causes an ice age and glacial-interglacial cycles? Many factors contribute to climate variations, including changes in ocean and atmosphere circulation patterns, varying concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide, and even volcanic eruptions. The following discusses key factors in (1) initiating ice ages and (2) the timing of glacial-interglacial cycles.
Four fairly regular glacial-interglacial cycles occurred during the past 450,000 years. The shorter interglacial cycles (10,000 to 30,000 years) were about as warm as present and alternated with much longer (70,000 to 90,000 years) glacial cycles substantially colder than present. Notice the longer time with jagged cooling events dropping into the colder glacials followed by the faster abrupt temperature swings to the warmer interglacials. This graph combines several ice-core records from Antarctica and is modified from several sources including Evidence for Warmer Interglacials in East Antarctic Ice Cores, 2009, L.C. Sime and others. Note the shorter time scale of 450,000 years compared to the previous figure, as well as the colder temperatures, which are latitude-specific (e.g., Antartica, Alaska, Greenland) temperature changes inferred from the Antarctic ice cores (and not global averages).One significant trigger in initiating ice ages is the changing positions of Earth’s ever-moving continents, which affect ocean and atmospheric circulation patterns. When plate-tectonic movement causes continents to be arranged such that warm water flow from the equator to the poles is blocked or reduced, ice sheets may arise and set another ice age in motion. Today’s ice age most likely began when the land bridge between North and South America (Isthmus of Panama) formed and ended the exchange of tropical water between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, significantly altering ocean currents.Glacials and interglacials occur in fairly regular repeated cycles. The timing is governed to a large degree by predictable cyclic changes in Earth’s orbit, which affect the amount of sunlight reaching different parts of Earth’s surface. The three orbital variations are: (1) changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun (eccentricity), (2) shifts in the tilt of Earth’s axis (obliquity), and (3) the wobbling motion of Earth’s axis (precession).
How do we know about past ice ages? Scientists have reconstructed past ice ages by piecing together information derived from studying ice cores, deep sea sediments, fossils, and landforms.Ice and sediment cores reveal an impressive detailed history of global climate. Cores are collected by driving long hollow tubes as much as 2 miles deep into glacial ice or ocean floor sediments. Ice cores provide annual and even seasonal climate records for up to hundreds of thousands of years, complementing the millions of years of climate records in ocean sediment cores.Within just the past couple of decades, ice cores recovered from Earth’s two existing ice sheets, Greenland and Antarctica, have revealed the most detailed climate records yet.
Do ice ages come and go slowly or rapidly?
Simplified chart showing when the five major ice ages occurred in the past 2.4 billion years of Earth’s history. Modified from several sources including Dynamical Paleoclimatology: Generalized Theory of Global Climate Change, 2002, by Barry Saltzman.Records show that ice ages typically develop slowly, whereas they end more abruptly. Glacials and interglacials within an ice age display this same trend.On a shorter time scale, global temperatures fluctuate often and rapidly. Various records reveal numerous large, widespread, abrupt climate changes over the past 100,000 years. One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more. For example, as Earth was emerging out of the last glacial cycle, the warming trend was interrupted 12,800 years ago when temperatures dropped dramatically in only several decades. A mere 1,300 years later, temperatures locally spiked as much as 20°F (11°C) within just several years. Sudden changes like this occurred at least 24 times during the past 100,000 years. In a relative sense, we are in a time of unusually stable temperatures today—how long will it last?
The warming we have experienced since the Industrial Revolution is not part of any glacial/interglacial cycle. The Earth had been cooling for over 5,000 years and was on its way to another glacial period within 10-25,000 years when manmade global warming began. The rate at which the Earth is warming, right now, is 5-10 times faster than it has ever warmed in the last million years. Atmospheric CO2 levels, right now, are higher than they have been at any point on this planet in the last 3 million years. Please take a half a minute and think about those two facts. The problem with global warming has NEVER BEEN the absolute temperature. It is the rate at which CO2 is climbing and the rate at which that is making us warm.
Oh bullshit.Yes, it is. Ice is melting in the Arctic, in Greenland, in Antarctica on land and sea and in glaciers around the planet. That ice is melting because the Earth's temperature is increasing. Earth's temperature is increasing because the greenhouse effect is being enhanced by human CO2 emissions from the combustion of fossil fuels in our automobiles and power plants.
If you have some other explanation for the world's ice melting, I would VERY much like to hear it.
No, I am not. I am reading and accepting mainstream studies conducted and published by scientists from all over the planet.
There have been five major ice ages and we are in one now.
Here is an informative discussion of ice ages I found from the Utah Geological Survey. It's only about a page long
What is an ice age?An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when glaciers retreat (called interglacials or interglacial cycles) and colder temperatures when glaciers advance (called glacials or glacial cycles).At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth’s history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago. The last period of glaciation, which is often informally called the “Ice Age,” peaked about 20,000 years ago. At that time, the world was on average probably about 10°F (5°C) colder than today, and locally as much as 40°F (22°C) colder.
What causes an ice age and glacial-interglacial cycles? Many factors contribute to climate variations, including changes in ocean and atmosphere circulation patterns, varying concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide, and even volcanic eruptions. The following discusses key factors in (1) initiating ice ages and (2) the timing of glacial-interglacial cycles.
Four fairly regular glacial-interglacial cycles occurred during the past 450,000 years. The shorter interglacial cycles (10,000 to 30,000 years) were about as warm as present and alternated with much longer (70,000 to 90,000 years) glacial cycles substantially colder than present. Notice the longer time with jagged cooling events dropping into the colder glacials followed by the faster abrupt temperature swings to the warmer interglacials. This graph combines several ice-core records from Antarctica and is modified from several sources including Evidence for Warmer Interglacials in East Antarctic Ice Cores, 2009, L.C. Sime and others. Note the shorter time scale of 450,000 years compared to the previous figure, as well as the colder temperatures, which are latitude-specific (e.g., Antartica, Alaska, Greenland) temperature changes inferred from the Antarctic ice cores (and not global averages).One significant trigger in initiating ice ages is the changing positions of Earth’s ever-moving continents, which affect ocean and atmospheric circulation patterns. When plate-tectonic movement causes continents to be arranged such that warm water flow from the equator to the poles is blocked or reduced, ice sheets may arise and set another ice age in motion. Today’s ice age most likely began when the land bridge between North and South America (Isthmus of Panama) formed and ended the exchange of tropical water between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, significantly altering ocean currents.Glacials and interglacials occur in fairly regular repeated cycles. The timing is governed to a large degree by predictable cyclic changes in Earth’s orbit, which affect the amount of sunlight reaching different parts of Earth’s surface. The three orbital variations are: (1) changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun (eccentricity), (2) shifts in the tilt of Earth’s axis (obliquity), and (3) the wobbling motion of Earth’s axis (precession).
How do we know about past ice ages? Scientists have reconstructed past ice ages by piecing together information derived from studying ice cores, deep sea sediments, fossils, and landforms.Ice and sediment cores reveal an impressive detailed history of global climate. Cores are collected by driving long hollow tubes as much as 2 miles deep into glacial ice or ocean floor sediments. Ice cores provide annual and even seasonal climate records for up to hundreds of thousands of years, complementing the millions of years of climate records in ocean sediment cores.Within just the past couple of decades, ice cores recovered from Earth’s two existing ice sheets, Greenland and Antarctica, have revealed the most detailed climate records yet.
Do ice ages come and go slowly or rapidly?
Simplified chart showing when the five major ice ages occurred in the past 2.4 billion years of Earth’s history. Modified from several sources including Dynamical Paleoclimatology: Generalized Theory of Global Climate Change, 2002, by Barry Saltzman.Records show that ice ages typically develop slowly, whereas they end more abruptly. Glacials and interglacials within an ice age display this same trend.On a shorter time scale, global temperatures fluctuate often and rapidly. Various records reveal numerous large, widespread, abrupt climate changes over the past 100,000 years. One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more. For example, as Earth was emerging out of the last glacial cycle, the warming trend was interrupted 12,800 years ago when temperatures dropped dramatically in only several decades. A mere 1,300 years later, temperatures locally spiked as much as 20°F (11°C) within just several years. Sudden changes like this occurred at least 24 times during the past 100,000 years. In a relative sense, we are in a time of unusually stable temperatures today—how long will it last?
The warming we have experienced since the Industrial Revolution is not part of any glacial/interglacial cycle. The Earth had been cooling for over 5,000 years and was on its way to another glacial period within 10-25,000 years when manmade global warming began. The rate at which the Earth is warming, right now, is 5-10 times faster than it has ever warmed in the last million years. Atmospheric CO2 levels, right now, are higher than they have been at any point on this planet in the last 3 million years. Please take a half a minute and think about those two facts. The problem with global warming has NEVER BEEN the absolute temperature. It is the rate at which CO2 is climbing and the rate at which that is making us warm.
Oh bullshit.
Sorry, but that doesn't explain jack shit. I give you a page and a half of science, of links to science, of data from science and you give me a grade schooler's epithet. Does that make you feel like you did a good job here?Oh bullshit.
The so called science from Al Gore told us we'd have fish swimming in the streets of Miami by this date. In the 70s we were warned of a coming ice age. Someone is confused.Sorry, but that doesn't explain jack shit. I give you a page and a half of science, of links to science, of data from science and you give me a grade schooler's epithet. Does that make you feel like you did a good job here?
www.newscientist.com
The ONLY constant with the alarmists is that it's ALL America's fault and ya gotta shut it down!!!Of course I don't accept "AGW theory." It's too absurd. How in the world would voting affect AGW if it was real?
"In concert?" That's not a scientific term.
Absurd.
The fossil fuel industry did not prompt Al Gore to make his insane statement that the North Polar ice cap would be completely gone by now. That was his misunderstanding of the research of from climatologist Dr Wieslav Maslowski, who worked for the Naval Postgraduate School, not for Shell Oil.
Al Gore did not âpredictâ ice caps melting by 2013 but misrepresented data
A 2009 comment by former U.S. vice president Al Gore that the North Pole would be ice-free by summer 2013 has gone viral in tandem with COP26 climate talks in Glasgow. The quote has been used to claim he made bogus predictions. While he did say something similar, the claim misrepresents his...
It was not Oil and Gas News that predicted a new ice age was coming in 1975. That was Newsweek.
In 1975, Newsweek Predicted A New Ice Age. We’re Still Living with the Consequences. - Longreads
All climate change deniers needed was one article to cast doubt on the science of global warming.
