Some white men arrested for inciting riots

[Gantlemagne]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

Fascism is a left wing, Government Uber Alles concept

No, you are simply trying to change the definition of the word. Very, very pathetic tactic. Doesn't work.

Daryl Hunt said:

CrusaderFrank said:
How is Fascism aka democrat Socialism or National Socialism "right wing"? Because Koba sez so!!!

I have given you the tools you need to answer that question on your own. Study the Spanish Civil war of the 1930s. Or you can keep making these same stupid outbursts and just stay stupid.

Tell me how Fascism supports individual liberty and freedom and minimal government as do other right wing concepts.

No, you don't get to change the narrative, either. I didn't say any of that shit. Your reading comprehension sucks, and you are trying to change the definition of fascism for... Reasons.

First, you tell me the definition of fascism. Now tell me how it is a left wing concept. Also tell me how you managed to change the definition it has had for hundreds of years all by your winger self.

In terms of the relationship between The People and the government, Fascism is like Socialism and Communism. The government make all the rules all the time; that's de facto left Wing

Since we do not have any Socialist, Communist or Fascist governments controlling any current US land masses, I have no idea where your paranoid delusions come from.

It's obvious you haven't read any history, because you supplant your kooky ideas instead of debating the actual definitions of what terms mean. I can't do anything about a person denying facts.

So, it sure sounds like you haven't thought about it very hard at all. Wanna try again?

How much land in the United States does the Roman catholic church/Vatican state founded by fascist Italy own?

Whatabout Ja Rule? Did anyone ask him about it yet?

I'm more concerned about what Trump's fellow Saudi vassal said and did. The violence directed at mainstreet businesses was condoned by FPOTUS Barack Obama... what a bad leader he was and is.

This month, after 2 to 3 months of Covid breaks; the apartment complex where I live no longer gave rental breaks; which means that those who could not afford their monthly payments, may have had to repay all the built up rental debt at once... and this may have happened across the country at the same time; which is why people might be looting and blowing up ATM machines for cash. The rent is due, but the governors and mayors are being very slow and delaying buisnesses from being able to open again; and hospitals... there isn't Universal Healthcare in the United States; so many of those bills will likely also not be paid. Insurance companies, how many claims will need to be paid, or denied if these riots are considered acts of terrorism?

Obama urges young black people to 'feel hopeful even as you may feel angry' after George Floyd's death

Former President Barack Obama on Wednesday personally thanked protesters in the streets across the nation following the death of George Floyd, and urged young African Americans to "feel hopeful even as you may feel angry" because he feels change is coming.

amp.cnn.com

I used to work as a commercial insurance adjuster; I remembered that the standard business policy did not cover acts of terrorism.

Does my business need terrorism insurance? | III

www.iii.org

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

Fascism is a left wing, Government Uber Alles concept

No, you are simply trying to change the definition of the word. Very, very pathetic tactic. Doesn't work.

Daryl Hunt said:

CrusaderFrank said:
How is Fascism aka democrat Socialism or National Socialism "right wing"? Because Koba sez so!!!

I have given you the tools you need to answer that question on your own. Study the Spanish Civil war of the 1930s. Or you can keep making these same stupid outbursts and just stay stupid.

Tell me how Fascism supports individual liberty and freedom and minimal government as do other right wing concepts.

No, you don't get to change the narrative, either. I didn't say any of that shit. Your reading comprehension sucks, and you are trying to change the definition of fascism for... Reasons.

First, you tell me the definition of fascism. Now tell me how it is a left wing concept. Also tell me how you managed to change the definition it has had for hundreds of years all by your winger self.

In terms of the relationship between The People and the government, Fascism is like Socialism and Communism. The government make all the rules all the time; that's de facto left Wing

Since we do not have any Socialist, Communist or Fascist governments controlling any current US land masses, I have no idea where your paranoid delusions come from.

It's obvious you haven't read any history, because you supplant your kooky ideas instead of debating the actual definitions of what terms mean. I can't do anything about a person denying facts.

So, it sure sounds like you haven't thought about it very hard at all. Wanna try again?

How much land in the United States does the Roman catholic church/Vatican state founded by fascist Italy own?

Whatabout Ja Rule? Did anyone ask him about it yet?

I'm more concerned about what Trump's fellow Saudi vassal said and did. The violence directed at mainstreet businesses was condoned by FPOTUS Barack Obama... what a bad leader he was and is.

This month, after 2 to 3 months of Covid breaks; the apartment complex where I live no longer gave rental breaks; which means that those who could not afford their monthly payments, may have had to repay all the built up rental debt at once... and this may have happened across the country at the same time; which is why people might be looting and blowing up ATM machines for cash. The rent is due, but the governors and mayors are being very slow and delaying buisnesses from being able to open again; and hospitals... there isn't Universal Healthcare in the United States; so many of those bills will likely also not be paid. Insurance companies, how many claims will need to be paid, or denied if these riots are considered acts of terrorism?

Obama urges young black people to 'feel hopeful even as you may feel angry' after George Floyd's death

Former President Barack Obama on Wednesday personally thanked protesters in the streets across the nation following the death of George Floyd, and urged young African Americans to "feel hopeful even as you may feel angry" because he feels change is coming.

amp.cnn.com

I dunno, but this seems a great beginning for class warfare. We need to get it under control or it's going to get ugly.

 

[Gantlemagne]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

Fascism is a left wing, Government Uber Alles concept

No, you are simply trying to change the definition of the word. Very, very pathetic tactic. Doesn't work.

Daryl Hunt said:

CrusaderFrank said:
How is Fascism aka democrat Socialism or National Socialism "right wing"? Because Koba sez so!!!

I have given you the tools you need to answer that question on your own. Study the Spanish Civil war of the 1930s. Or you can keep making these same stupid outbursts and just stay stupid.

Tell me how Fascism supports individual liberty and freedom and minimal government as do other right wing concepts.

No, you don't get to change the narrative, either. I didn't say any of that shit. Your reading comprehension sucks, and you are trying to change the definition of fascism for... Reasons.

First, you tell me the definition of fascism. Now tell me how it is a left wing concept. Also tell me how you managed to change the definition it has had for hundreds of years all by your winger self.

In terms of the relationship between The People and the government, Fascism is like Socialism and Communism. The government make all the rules all the time; that's de facto left Wing

Since we do not have any Socialist, Communist or Fascist governments controlling any current US land masses, I have no idea where your paranoid delusions come from.

It's obvious you haven't read any history, because you supplant your kooky ideas instead of debating the actual definitions of what terms mean. I can't do anything about a person denying facts.

So, it sure sounds like you haven't thought about it very hard at all. Wanna try again?

How much land in the United States does the Roman catholic church/Vatican state founded by fascist Italy own?

Whatabout Ja Rule? Did anyone ask him about it yet?

I'm more concerned about what Trump's fellow Saudi vassal said and did. The violence directed at mainstreet businesses was condoned by FPOTUS Barack Obama... what a bad leader he was and is.

This month, after 2 to 3 months of Covid breaks; the apartment complex where I live no longer gave rental breaks; which means that those who could not afford their monthly payments, may have had to repay all the built up rental debt at once... and this may have happened across the country at the same time; which is why people might be looting and blowing up ATM machines for cash. The rent is due, but the governors and mayors are being very slow and delaying buisnesses from being able to open again; and hospitals... there isn't Universal Healthcare in the United States; so many of those bills will likely also not be paid. Insurance companies, how many claims will need to be paid, or denied if these riots are considered acts of terrorism?

Obama urges young black people to 'feel hopeful even as you may feel angry' after George Floyd's death

Former President Barack Obama on Wednesday personally thanked protesters in the streets across the nation following the death of George Floyd, and urged young African Americans to "feel hopeful even as you may feel angry" because he feels change is coming.

amp.cnn.com

I dunno, but this seems a great beginning for class warfare. We need to get it under control or it's going to get ugly.

Gotta get the currency flowing again, but by the production of food, goods, and services (as opposed to money for nothin'). There's a commercial heart attack happening.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

LOLz Nazism supports individual rights and liberties? That's what you imagine?

Only for those that have like ideas. Everyone else doesn't get that opportunity. I suggest you read up on the Spanish Civil War in the 30s and see where both the Fascists and Socialists went to war with each other. Or you can stay clueless because you can't stomach being called what you are, a Fascist like MOST The Party of the Rumpsters are. A mind is a terrible thing to waste but in your case, it's no big loss.

Well in socialism everyone has to have the right idea or they get thrown in the gulag. Or starved to death. Or become the scape goat and the rest of the starving population takes out their anger on them. If you want to make all the trees equal in size, you have to cut them all to the same size.

And no libertarianism isn’t contained to those with the same ideologies. Everyone has the same rights, you can be a communist, talk about it as much as you want, you just can’t force anyone else into your communism. That’s silly. Get your ears cleaned out, or learn comprehensive reading.

Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry and no one here is a communist. Shows you are an idiot. Socialism is democratic so not communism as everyone in the world but Anglo American conservatives know at this point.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said anyone here was a commie. There are actually a couple. Socialism is not at all strictly democratic. Lenin was a “democratic socialist”. He created that term. He also created the USSR, which stands for.....Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Socialism is the government ownership of means of production. There are really only 2 socialist countries that I can think of, Cuba, and Venezuela. Neither are in the least bit democratic. Nor have any of the other socialism experiments there have been in the past. If your referring to the Nordic states as socialist, they will vehemently disagree with you. They are fully capitalistic. They happen to have larger social programs than us. They are still very much capitalistic countries. Bernie will refer to these countries often, much to the dismay of their economic leaders who correct him on Twitter, but the policies that Bernie pushes are closer to that of Venezuela, and Cuba. The closest Nordic country to socialism would be Norway. Government is a shareholder in the oil business, but the government is barred from making business decisions.

Stop and think about it. Your history is a bit Cracked.

The Government of Canada owns a share in the Oil industry as well as just about every major corporation. They only have a say when it benefits the entire nation. Otherwise, the Corporate Boards run things. MOST Western Countries are Social Democracies and that term far dates Lenin. In fact, even the United States have Government interests in many Corporation such as Passenger Trains.

Lenin set up the USSR in order to take over the world because he saw it as the only way to make Communism (Marxism) work. And he was right on that. What he was wrong about was the cooperation of the rest of the world. So he set up a country that was run by Military Leaders, not Corporate Leaders. The experiment was doomed from the start because Communism can only exist in very small groups of people. So instead of making the Utopian Society, he made a Dictatorship or a Oliarchy. There was nothing Social about it. You can call a pig a rose but that doesn't make it smell any better.

Before Hitler seized power, it was a Social Democratic Nation. He changed that to a Dictatorship. Mussolini did the same thing. Both of these changed the Social Democratic Nation into the direct opposite (Fascism) because, again Socialism that has little Democracy to it doesn't work. It becomes an Oliarchy.

Italy was a huge mess so Mussolini could mold it to Fascism because people were scare to death. When over half of your population doesn't have enough to eat then it's fairly easy to get them to grab the brass ring.

Germany was different. It had a workable Social Democratic Government. But due to the Treaty, the people thought they could do better. Along comes Hitler who promises them better. And for a time period he more than delivered. Germany became the envy of much of the western world. Then he got the idea that he wanted the Triangle. The Triangle is parts of Belgium, France and Germany that is high in natural resources. And in order for Germany to grow, it needed control of all the Triangle. So he does that his ancestors have done and decides to just take it. Of course, Hitler was a piecefull kind of guy. He took a piece of this and a piece of that and decided to take ALL of Europe. He was also an extreme bigot who hate the Slavs and any race of color. Hence the hatred of the USSR which isn't all white. Germany became a Dictatorship, not a Social Democratic Country. Like Communism, Democracy can only work in small groups. Once again, you can call a pig a rose but it still smells like a pig. Germany and Italy became Fascism that morphed into Dictatorships.

Meanwhile, Franco had a much healthier Fascist State that survived clean into today. While it's not what we would want, it's worked pretty well for the Spaniards for so many decades. What makes it work? Unlike what you claim as Socialism, Fascism is heavily supported by the Corporate Industries. If it's good for them it's good for the nation. But it only works if the Capitalists are nationalists. They still are even today. But Spain has been drifting towards a Social Democratic Government slowly. Yes, in order to do that, a shift to the left has to happen. A shift to the right of Fascism leads to a Dictatorship of Oligarchy.

Like Capitalism, Socialism is NOT a government model. It's an economic model. I'll do a in depth on that by itself. But trust me, neither one can exist without the other in anything other than small groups.

Think of Government Models being a complete circle. At the top you have the Dictatorship and at the bottom you have the Federal Republic. Going left of the Federal Republic you move into Social Democracies. Going right of the Federal Republic you go into Fascism. But I think you will find that a Federal Republic actually has models from both the Social Democracies and the Fascists while having it's own Representative Government.

Now, move to both the right of Fascism and Social Democracies and you end up the same place, the Dictatorship or Oligarchy. You just made the complete circle. Hence the starting of Hitler was so good but it ended up so bad. He completed the circle.

There are NO Socialist, Democratic nor Communist countries that exist. There never was and never will be.

 

[francoHFW]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

LOLz Nazism supports individual rights and liberties? That's what you imagine?

Only for those that have like ideas. Everyone else doesn't get that opportunity. I suggest you read up on the Spanish Civil War in the 30s and see where both the Fascists and Socialists went to war with each other. Or you can stay clueless because you can't stomach being called what you are, a Fascist like MOST The Party of the Rumpsters are. A mind is a terrible thing to waste but in your case, it's no big loss.

Well in socialism everyone has to have the right idea or they get thrown in the gulag. Or starved to death. Or become the scape goat and the rest of the starving population takes out their anger on them. If you want to make all the trees equal in size, you have to cut them all to the same size.

And no libertarianism isn’t contained to those with the same ideologies. Everyone has the same rights, you can be a communist, talk about it as much as you want, you just can’t force anyone else into your communism. That’s silly. Get your ears cleaned out, or learn comprehensive reading.

Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry and no one here is a communist. Shows you are an idiot. Socialism is democratic so not communism as everyone in the world but Anglo American conservatives know at this point.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said anyone here was a commie. There are actually a couple. Socialism is not at all strictly democratic. Lenin was a “democratic socialist”. He created that term. He also created the USSR, which stands for.....Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Socialism is the government ownership of means of production. There are really only 2 socialist countries that I can think of, Cuba, and Venezuela. Neither are in the least bit democratic. Nor have any of the other socialism experiments there have been in the past. If your referring to the Nordic states as socialist, they will vehemently disagree with you. They are fully capitalistic. They happen to have larger social programs than us. They are still very much capitalistic countries. Bernie will refer to these countries often, much to the dismay of their economic leaders who correct him on Twitter, but the policies that Bernie pushes are closer to that of Venezuela, and Cuba. The closest Nordic country to socialism would be Norway. Government is a shareholder in the oil business, but the government is barred from making business decisions.

China North Korea and Cuba are communist. Venezuela it's still socialist and is not a dictatorship. Lenin was a huge liar just like Hitler forget about it. Ever heard of Eugene Debs everybody had socialism as Democratic Fair capitalist until about 1925 when we started up with the b******* about communism. Meanwhile France Germany Italy Scandinavia have had socialist parties forever. They also had communist parties which have now disappeared just like ours. just let's have faire capitalism you don't have to call it socialism if you are totally brainwashed like you. Canada has everything that Bernie Sanders and AOC what. You are totally brainwashed and baffled by bulshit old Cold war dinosaur

 

[francoHFW]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

Fascism is a left wing, Government Uber Alles concept

No, you are simply trying to change the definition of the word. Very, very pathetic tactic. Doesn't work.

Daryl Hunt said:

CrusaderFrank said:
How is Fascism aka democrat Socialism or National Socialism "right wing"? Because Koba sez so!!!

I have given you the tools you need to answer that question on your own. Study the Spanish Civil war of the 1930s. Or you can keep making these same stupid outbursts and just stay stupid.

Tell me how Fascism supports individual liberty and freedom and minimal government as do other right wing concepts.

No, you don't get to change the narrative, either. I didn't say any of that shit. Your reading comprehension sucks, and you are trying to change the definition of fascism for... Reasons.

First, you tell me the definition of fascism. Now tell me how it is a left wing concept. Also tell me how you managed to change the definition it has had for hundreds of years all by your winger self.

In terms of the relationship between The People and the government, Fascism is like Socialism and Communism. The government make all the rules all the time; that's de facto left Wing

Since we do not have any Socialist, Communist or Fascist governments controlling any current US land masses, I have no idea where your paranoid delusions come from.

It's obvious you haven't read any history, because you supplant your kooky ideas instead of debating the actual definitions of what terms mean. I can't do anything about a person denying facts.

So, it sure sounds like you haven't thought about it very hard at all. Wanna try again?

How much land in the United States does the Roman catholic church/Vatican state founded by fascist Italy own?

Whatabout Ja Rule? Did anyone ask him about it yet?

I'm more concerned about what Trump's fellow Saudi vassal said and did. The violence directed at mainstreet businesses was condoned by FPOTUS Barack Obama... what a bad leader he was and is.

This month, after 2 to 3 months of Covid breaks; the apartment complex where I live no longer gave rental breaks; which means that those who could not afford their monthly payments, may have had to repay all the built up rental debt at once... and this may have happened across the country at the same time; which is why people might be looting and blowing up ATM machines for cash. The rent is due, but the governors and mayors are being very slow and delaying buisnesses from being able to open again; and hospitals... there isn't Universal Healthcare in the United States; so many of those bills will likely also not be paid. Insurance companies, how many claims will need to be paid, or denied if these riots are considered acts of terrorism?

Obama urges young black people to 'feel hopeful even as you may feel angry' after George Floyd's death

Former President Barack Obama on Wednesday personally thanked protesters in the streets across the nation following the death of George Floyd, and urged young African Americans to "feel hopeful even as you may feel angry" because he feels change is coming.

amp.cnn.com

I dunno, but this seems a great beginning for class warfare. We need to get it under control or it's going to get ugly.

 

[colfax_m]

I've never seen any.

I have

In person or on the TV?

 

[Mac-7]

I've never seen any.

I have

In person or on the TV?

On TV

ANTIFA has been around for several years

 

[colfax_m]

I've never seen any.

I have

In person or on the TV?

On TV

ANTIFA has been around for several years

I’ve seen lots of white supremadists on TV too.

Have you ever seen Antifa in real life?

 

[Gantlemagne]

I have an important question... what if... George (Gov. Perry) Floyd was a Republican Trump supporter? G.F. Gaff. "You ain't black."

 

[Correll]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Of course -- the white wingers (or right wingers, if you will) are so opportunistic that they see a chance to confuse people...and they never pass up a chance for cowardly acts like burning down buildings in the middle of the night!!!

Or burning crosses in people's front lawns.

When is the last time that actually happened? I don't know that it has happened in decades.

Gotta get your headgear flushed out, bro. The KKK is alive and well, but now they are joined by the neoNazis and then the Docker racists like who you saw in Charlottsville.

Still waiting for you to give the most recent example of an actual cross burning on someone's lawn.

 

[Andylusion]

You don't mind if I make up my own mind, do you?

I encourage you to make up your mind

Unfortunately you are guilty of what you accuse me of

Namely being led by the nose by leftwing journalism

Why, because I dare to fact check your more outlandish claims and usually find them out in left field? I also factcheck the ultraleft as well and do the same thing. Most ultra lefties know better than to try that crap with me. I guess they are better educated than you are.

ANTIFA is a well established presence on the streets of America

And so is the various White Supremists and Nazi groups. You really don't have a point here.

No. Not so much.

They may have a presence in some places, I'm sure. But across America? No. No you are wrong.

 

[sakinago]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

LOLz Nazism supports individual rights and liberties? That's what you imagine?

Only for those that have like ideas. Everyone else doesn't get that opportunity. I suggest you read up on the Spanish Civil War in the 30s and see where both the Fascists and Socialists went to war with each other. Or you can stay clueless because you can't stomach being called what you are, a Fascist like MOST The Party of the Rumpsters are. A mind is a terrible thing to waste but in your case, it's no big loss.

Well in socialism everyone has to have the right idea or they get thrown in the gulag. Or starved to death. Or become the scape goat and the rest of the starving population takes out their anger on them. If you want to make all the trees equal in size, you have to cut them all to the same size.

And no libertarianism isn’t contained to those with the same ideologies. Everyone has the same rights, you can be a communist, talk about it as much as you want, you just can’t force anyone else into your communism. That’s silly. Get your ears cleaned out, or learn comprehensive reading.

Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry and no one here is a communist. Shows you are an idiot. Socialism is democratic so not communism as everyone in the world but Anglo American conservatives know at this point.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said anyone here was a commie. There are actually a couple. Socialism is not at all strictly democratic. Lenin was a “democratic socialist”. He created that term. He also created the USSR, which stands for.....Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Socialism is the government ownership of means of production. There are really only 2 socialist countries that I can think of, Cuba, and Venezuela. Neither are in the least bit democratic. Nor have any of the other socialism experiments there have been in the past. If your referring to the Nordic states as socialist, they will vehemently disagree with you. They are fully capitalistic. They happen to have larger social programs than us. They are still very much capitalistic countries. Bernie will refer to these countries often, much to the dismay of their economic leaders who correct him on Twitter, but the policies that Bernie pushes are closer to that of Venezuela, and Cuba. The closest Nordic country to socialism would be Norway. Government is a shareholder in the oil business, but the government is barred from making business decisions.

Stop and think about it. Your history is a bit Cracked.

The Government of Canada owns a share in the Oil industry as well as just about every major corporation. They only have a say when it benefits the entire nation. Otherwise, the Corporate Boards run things. MOST Western Countries are Social Democracies and that term far dates Lenin. In fact, even the United States have Government interests in many Corporation such as Passenger Trains.

Lenin set up the USSR in order to take over the world because he saw it as the only way to make Communism (Marxism) work. And he was right on that. What he was wrong about was the cooperation of the rest of the world. So he set up a country that was run by Military Leaders, not Corporate Leaders. The experiment was doomed from the start because Communism can only exist in very small groups of people. So instead of making the Utopian Society, he made a Dictatorship or a Oliarchy. There was nothing Social about it. You can call a pig a rose but that doesn't make it smell any better.

Before Hitler seized power, it was a Social Democratic Nation. He changed that to a Dictatorship. Mussolini did the same thing. Both of these changed the Social Democratic Nation into the direct opposite (Fascism) because, again Socialism that has little Democracy to it doesn't work. It becomes an Oliarchy.

Italy was a huge mess so Mussolini could mold it to Fascism because people were scare to death. When over half of your population doesn't have enough to eat then it's fairly easy to get them to grab the brass ring.

Germany was different. It had a workable Social Democratic Government. But due to the Treaty, the people thought they could do better. Along comes Hitler who promises them better. And for a time period he more than delivered. Germany became the envy of much of the western world. Then he got the idea that he wanted the Triangle. The Triangle is parts of Belgium, France and Germany that is high in natural resources. And in order for Germany to grow, it needed control of all the Triangle. So he does that his ancestors have done and decides to just take it. Of course, Hitler was a piecefull kind of guy. He took a piece of this and a piece of that and decided to take ALL of Europe. He was also an extreme bigot who hate the Slavs and any race of color. Hence the hatred of the USSR which isn't all white. Germany became a Dictatorship, not a Social Democratic Country. Like Communism, Democracy can only work in small groups. Once again, you can call a pig a rose but it still smells like a pig. Germany and Italy became Fascism that morphed into Dictatorships.

Meanwhile, Franco had a much healthier Fascist State that survived clean into today. While it's not what we would want, it's worked pretty well for the Spaniards for so many decades. What makes it work? Unlike what you claim as Socialism, Fascism is heavily supported by the Corporate Industries. If it's good for them it's good for the nation. But it only works if the Capitalists are nationalists. They still are even today. But Spain has been drifting towards a Social Democratic Government slowly. Yes, in order to do that, a shift to the left has to happen. A shift to the right of Fascism leads to a Dictatorship of Oligarchy.

Like Capitalism, Socialism is NOT a government model. It's an economic model. I'll do a in depth on that by itself. But trust me, neither one can exist without the other in anything other than small groups.

Think of Government Models being a complete circle. At the top you have the Dictatorship and at the bottom you have the Federal Republic. Going left of the Federal Republic you move into Social Democracies. Going right of the Federal Republic you go into Fascism. But I think you will find that a Federal Republic actually has models from both the Social Democracies and the Fascists while having it's own Representative Government.

Now, move to both the right of Fascism and Social Democracies and you end up the same place, the Dictatorship or Oligarchy. You just made the complete circle. Hence the starting of Hitler was so good but it ended up so bad. He completed the circle.

There are NO Socialist, Democratic nor Communist countries that exist. There never was and never will be.

Wtf, A. You’re conflating regulation with government ownership. 2 totally different things. B. Just because a dictator runs a country, doesn’t automatically disqualify it as a socialist country. That’s a ridiculous point. It’s the natural progression of socialism. You give that much power to a centralized organization, eventually an authoritarian takes over, or turns authoritarian. Which is what you see in Venezuela. Praised as a socialist done right by the left, don’t deny it, up until it wasn’t. Then all of a sudden, it wasn’t socialism, it magically turned into “Maduro is actually a right wing extremist”. To believe in socialism, it requires a narcissism to think that a centralized entity, if run by the right type of people, can make the correct top down decisions on extremely complex and nuanced systems that are all tied into each other. It’s impossible to do without “breaking a few eggs”. Kings figured this out Millenia ago. You need viceroys, lords, and governors. And even that was a way too top down system. In that system, just like in socialism, the only “games” to win at are government sanctioned, and you have to play by the rules as sanctioned by the government. In capitalism, you see that there’s a near infinite “games” to win at, there’s a niche for everything, and you don’t even have to be at the top of the game to earn substantial wealth.

Socialism is Marxist. And Marx was wrong. He believed the working class would eventually rise up. There wouldn’t be a need for world domination, it would happen naturally. It still hasn’t. Unless you want to consider the Mao’s, the Lenin’s, the Pol Pots, as the “workers” rising up. Those didn’t turn out well at all. None of them do. Socialism is inherently authoritarianism. It has to be to achieve its goals. It may even get voted in. That doesn’t mean it’s what’s best, or that people understand what they’re voting for. Jim Crow was the populist movement of the south. Very popular. Problem is, it’s the majority imposing their will on the minority. At its best socialism is utilitarianism. Taking care of the needs of the many, over the needs of the few. Especially if it’s “democratic”. You have to put policies in place that’ll get the votes.

 

[Mac-7]

I've never seen any.

I have

In person or on the TV?

On TV

ANTIFA has been around for several years

I’ve seen lots of white supremadists on TV too.

Have you ever seen Antifa in real life?

Are you asking if I attend riots?

No, I stay away places that ANTIFA is likely to show up

But I was only a few blocks away from the demonstration in Dallas where 5 police officers were murdered by the BLM sniper

 

[colfax_m]

I've never seen any.

I have

In person or on the TV?

On TV

ANTIFA has been around for several years

I’ve seen lots of white supremadists on TV too.

Have you ever seen Antifa in real life?

Are you asking if I attend riots?

No, I stay away places that ANTIFA is likely to show up

But I was only a few blocks away from the demonstration in Dallas where 5 police officers were murdered by the BLM sniper

Just keep in mind the TV coverage can skew your perception. At a certain point, it’s just propaganda to make you believe a small group is much bigger and prolific than it actually is.

It’s been done throughout history.

 

[Andylusion]

There are people being paid to create mayhem and discredit the protests against policy brutality.
WaPo reports:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Thanks, Soro$

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.

www.yahoo.com

I find it hard to believe that some red-necks from the rural countryside with their camos and deer-hunter shirts, are organizing a high-tech campaign to setup bots and pay people to raise mayhem.

It could be true. It could be.

If they are, then ship them to prison with the rest of the rioters and looters.

Well read this and we're not talking about some rednecks.

Fringe groups point finger back at Trump, Democrats

Even some alt right turning on the trumpturd.

The Boogaloo Movement Wants To Be Seen as Anti-Racist, But It Has a White Supremacist Fringe

CTEC Digital Research Lead Alex Newhouse and Researcher Nate Gunesch investigate the Boogaloo Movement’s recent involvement in the Minneapolis protests following the killing of George Floyd.

www.middlebury.edu

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Armed extremists are showing up to protests and urging a “boogaloo” — code for civil war — online.

www.vice.com

Administrators of pages such as Big Igloo Bois and Boojahadeen Memes actively supported the anti-racist and Black Lives Matter protests.

Doesn't that make them left-wing? How do you identify with everything the left-wing stands for, and then claim to be right-wing?

What exactly do the boogaloo bois stand for, that is the opposite of the left-wing BLM and Anarchists?

AFter you research them get back with me. So are the oath keepers left wing?

I did research them. For about an hour.

I don't see what they are that makes them right-wing.

Let me start with this. Between left-wing radicals, and right-wing radicals, what is the difference?
What makes one right, and the other left?

One difference is the sheer numbers. The national unite the right demonstration that got non stop media coverage of it for weeks leading up to it, turned out to be the saddest protest/demonstration in the history of media coverage. Not even 25 showed up. Sad for them, hilarious for us.

As far as politics go. Both want socialism. One wants a “pure race state”, in the “radical right”. The other wants social hierarchy based on identity, including race, as well as other identity factors. Both hate Israel. On the European political spectrum they are not far off from each other, outside the issue of race. The radical left would like to see communism ushered in, the radical right probably wouldn’t go that far.

National socialism a.k.a. nazism; where does that fall on the political spectrum. They nationalized the nation's property, then parceled control to members of the regime and those loyal to it. People who weren't compatible to their regime (based on ethnic or religious or linguistic [sometimes that persecution has been the same cause] policies) were "removed".

Thats left wing

Nazism was and still is Fascism to the extreme. I can understand why you would try and change the definition since you may have realized that you may be a fascist.

LOLz Nazism supports individual rights and liberties? That's what you imagine?

Only for those that have like ideas. Everyone else doesn't get that opportunity. I suggest you read up on the Spanish Civil War in the 30s and see where both the Fascists and Socialists went to war with each other. Or you can stay clueless because you can't stomach being called what you are, a Fascist like MOST The Party of the Rumpsters are. A mind is a terrible thing to waste but in your case, it's no big loss.

Well in socialism everyone has to have the right idea or they get thrown in the gulag. Or starved to death. Or become the scape goat and the rest of the starving population takes out their anger on them. If you want to make all the trees equal in size, you have to cut them all to the same size.

And no libertarianism isn’t contained to those with the same ideologies. Everyone has the same rights, you can be a communist, talk about it as much as you want, you just can’t force anyone else into your communism. That’s silly. Get your ears cleaned out, or learn comprehensive reading.

Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry and no one here is a communist. Shows you are an idiot. Socialism is democratic so not communism as everyone in the world but Anglo American conservatives know at this point.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said anyone here was a commie. There are actually a couple. Socialism is not at all strictly democratic. Lenin was a “democratic socialist”. He created that term. He also created the USSR, which stands for.....Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Socialism is the government ownership of means of production. There are really only 2 socialist countries that I can think of, Cuba, and Venezuela. Neither are in the least bit democratic. Nor have any of the other socialism experiments there have been in the past. If your referring to the Nordic states as socialist, they will vehemently disagree with you. They are fully capitalistic. They happen to have larger social programs than us. They are still very much capitalistic countries. Bernie will refer to these countries often, much to the dismay of their economic leaders who correct him on Twitter, but the policies that Bernie pushes are closer to that of Venezuela, and Cuba. The closest Nordic country to socialism would be Norway. Government is a shareholder in the oil business, but the government is barred from making business decisions.

Stop and think about it. Your history is a bit Cracked.

The Government of Canada owns a share in the Oil industry as well as just about every major corporation. They only have a say when it benefits the entire nation. Otherwise, the Corporate Boards run things. MOST Western Countries are Social Democracies and that term far dates Lenin. In fact, even the United States have Government interests in many Corporation such as Passenger Trains.

Lenin set up the USSR in order to take over the world because he saw it as the only way to make Communism (Marxism) work. And he was right on that. What he was wrong about was the cooperation of the rest of the world. So he set up a country that was run by Military Leaders, not Corporate Leaders. The experiment was doomed from the start because Communism can only exist in very small groups of people. So instead of making the Utopian Society, he made a Dictatorship or a Oliarchy. There was nothing Social about it. You can call a pig a rose but that doesn't make it smell any better.

Before Hitler seized power, it was a Social Democratic Nation. He changed that to a Dictatorship. Mussolini did the same thing. Both of these changed the Social Democratic Nation into the direct opposite (Fascism) because, again Socialism that has little Democracy to it doesn't work. It becomes an Oliarchy.

Italy was a huge mess so Mussolini could mold it to Fascism because people were scare to death. When over half of your population doesn't have enough to eat then it's fairly easy to get them to grab the brass ring.

Germany was different. It had a workable Social Democratic Government. But due to the Treaty, the people thought they could do better. Along comes Hitler who promises them better. And for a time period he more than delivered. Germany became the envy of much of the western world. Then he got the idea that he wanted the Triangle. The Triangle is parts of Belgium, France and Germany that is high in natural resources. And in order for Germany to grow, it needed control of all the Triangle. So he does that his ancestors have done and decides to just take it. Of course, Hitler was a piecefull kind of guy. He took a piece of this and a piece of that and decided to take ALL of Europe. He was also an extreme bigot who hate the Slavs and any race of color. Hence the hatred of the USSR which isn't all white. Germany became a Dictatorship, not a Social Democratic Country. Like Communism, Democracy can only work in small groups. Once again, you can call a pig a rose but it still smells like a pig. Germany and Italy became Fascism that morphed into Dictatorships.

Meanwhile, Franco had a much healthier Fascist State that survived clean into today. While it's not what we would want, it's worked pretty well for the Spaniards for so many decades. What makes it work? Unlike what you claim as Socialism, Fascism is heavily supported by the Corporate Industries. If it's good for them it's good for the nation. But it only works if the Capitalists are nationalists. They still are even today. But Spain has been drifting towards a Social Democratic Government slowly. Yes, in order to do that, a shift to the left has to happen. A shift to the right of Fascism leads to a Dictatorship of Oligarchy.

Like Capitalism, Socialism is NOT a government model. It's an economic model. I'll do a in depth on that by itself. But trust me, neither one can exist without the other in anything other than small groups.

Think of Government Models being a complete circle. At the top you have the Dictatorship and at the bottom you have the Federal Republic. Going left of the Federal Republic you move into Social Democracies. Going right of the Federal Republic you go into Fascism. But I think you will find that a Federal Republic actually has models from both the Social Democracies and the Fascists while having it's own Representative Government.

Now, move to both the right of Fascism and Social Democracies and you end up the same place, the Dictatorship or Oligarchy. You just made the complete circle. Hence the starting of Hitler was so good but it ended up so bad. He completed the circle.

There are NO Socialist, Democratic nor Communist countries that exist. There never was and never will be.

I was curious about Canada's ownership of the oil revenue. As it turns out, it wasn't nearly as interesting as you seem to imply.

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/BC%20Office%2C%20Saskatchewan%20Office/2018/10/CCPA_Who%20Owns%20Canada%27s%20FF%20Sector_Summary_final_for_web.pdf

The national oil company of Korea, owns 1.2% ownership of Canada's oil sector.
The Chinese government owns 0.7% of Canada's oil sector.
The central government of Canada, only owns 0.5% of Canada's oil sector.

Foreign governments own more of Canada's oil sector than Canada does. Not all that great of an argument.

Especially since, 0.5% share in a company, is basically a zero. The government of Canada likely has less influence over their oil sector, than our government does over our oil sector.

As for the US government involvement in passenger trains... yes they do, and it is terrible. Trains suck. We are losing billions of dollars, on this money losing ash pit. We need to privatize Amtrak completely, and stop funding this waste of money.

So as far as Stalin and setting up an oligarchy, and saying there was nothing social about it... that's somewhat true, I would agree with that.

I the problem is, all forms of complete government control end up as oligarchies.

This is why the US was supposed to have hard limits on government. There is no provision in the constitution for government being involved in health care, or pensions, or housing, or education, or so on.

And it is exactly because when government gets involved, you end up with oligarchy. The natural results of government involvement in the economy, is oligarchy. It's unavoidable.

Look at every sector where the government is directly involved, and you see... oligarchy. Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac, two largest bank failures and bailouts of the entire sub-prime melt down. Franklin Raines, caught clearly fudging the numbers, and nothing happened to him. Didn't even get indicted.

And we see this going on in Venezuela, where Hugo Chavez daughter, had lucrative (read price gouging) contracts with rice suppliers from Argentina, after the Venezuela government wrecked the rice production in Venezuela, and people are literally starving to death.

Late Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s daughter used laundered funds for US luxury lifestyle

Maria Gabriela Chávez, daughter of former president Hugo Chávez, has been accused of enriching herself through money laundering

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Oligarchy. It's the natural result of socialist ideology.

The solution is free-market Capitalism, where anyone can compete on the open market. No company could get a defacto monopoly through government contracts, connected to the former presidents daughter, for overly expensive rice, if anyone anywhere, could sell Rice in Venezuela at any price they wanted.

 

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You don't mind if I make up my own mind, do you?

I encourage you to make up your mind

Unfortunately you are guilty of what you accuse me of

Namely being led by the nose by leftwing journalism

Why, because I dare to fact check your more outlandish claims and usually find them out in left field? I also factcheck the ultraleft as well and do the same thing. Most ultra lefties know better than to try that crap with me. I guess they are better educated than you are.

ANTIFA is a well established presence on the streets of America

And so is the various White Supremists and Nazi groups. You really don't have a point here.

No. Not so much.

They may have a presence in some places, I'm sure. But across America? No. No you are wrong.

There are practically no white supremacists in America

 

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I've never seen any.

I have

In person or on the TV?

On TV

ANTIFA has been around for several years

I’ve seen lots of white supremadists on TV too.

Have you ever seen Antifa in real life?

Are you asking if I attend riots?

No, I stay away places that ANTIFA is likely to show up

But I was only a few blocks away from the demonstration in Dallas where 5 police officers were murdered by the BLM sniper

Just keep in mind the TV coverage can skew your perception. At a certain point, it’s just propaganda to make you believe a small group is much bigger and prolific than it actually is.

It’s been done throughout history.

Well that is true, in that the TV news people are obviously going to focus on what is interesting.

If Channel 5 is broadcasting a bunch of people walking through the streets chanting... and Channel 10 is broadcasting people smashing windows, and setting police cars on fire, people are going to watch channel 10.

Thus, all TV news reporters have an incentive to focus on the more interesting stuff.

I get that.

However, at this point it is pretty clear that riots and looting are following in the wake of nearly every protest. Time to get a clue.

Second, the protests are honestly idiotic and stupid. What are they protesting? "Police brutality!" no they are not, because the officers are already in jail, and awaiting trial. So what are they protesting? "Black people killed by police!" No they are not, because we have researched this a dozen times, and every single time, white people are more likely to be killed by police, than black people. So what are they protesting?

Nothing. They are stupid, and wasting time. Get a job. Stop being a criminal. Floyd was a career criminal, who abandoned his kids. Be good people. Stop protesting, and start making this world a better place.

 

[Andylusion]

You don't mind if I make up my own mind, do you?

I encourage you to make up your mind

Unfortunately you are guilty of what you accuse me of

Namely being led by the nose by leftwing journalism

Why, because I dare to fact check your more outlandish claims and usually find them out in left field? I also factcheck the ultraleft as well and do the same thing. Most ultra lefties know better than to try that crap with me. I guess they are better educated than you are.

ANTIFA is a well established presence on the streets of America

And so is the various White Supremists and Nazi groups. You really don't have a point here.

No. Not so much.

They may have a presence in some places, I'm sure. But across America? No. No you are wrong.

There are practically no white supremacists in America

No that's not true. There are some. You need to at least be honest about this. They are in a few specific areas, and not that big, but they do exist.

 

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You don't mind if I make up my own mind, do you?

I encourage you to make up your mind

Unfortunately you are guilty of what you accuse me of

Namely being led by the nose by leftwing journalism

Why, because I dare to fact check your more outlandish claims and usually find them out in left field? I also factcheck the ultraleft as well and do the same thing. Most ultra lefties know better than to try that crap with me. I guess they are better educated than you are.

ANTIFA is a well established presence on the streets of America

And so is the various White Supremists and Nazi groups. You really don't have a point here.

No. Not so much.

They may have a presence in some places, I'm sure. But across America? No. No you are wrong.

There are practically no white supremacists in America

No that's not true. There are some. You need to at least be honest about this. They are in a few specific areas, and not that big, but they do exist.

How do you define a white supremacist?