"Socialism" Isn't the big bad boogie word Republicans want it to be any more

[Deadstick]

you are absolutely full of shit. When the leaders of those countries hear them being called "socialist" they vigorously object. The heart and soul of those countries is the private sector economy that finances the pensions, healthcare, infrastructure, and everything else. North Korea. Cuba. Mao's China, the Soviet Union...all failed. No other result could have come about.

Well from what i have seen the private sector isn't making a very good job of financing many of those things in the US, taxes pay for those important infrastructure projects in any civilized Country such as rail roads and health etc, for years my Country the UK since Thatcher has gone down the same road as the US with stealing state assets which ended up in the hands of Global Corporations, that has led to some of the highest energy bills anywhere, the French Government own a very large stake in my energy supplier Company, same with rail travel where prices rise every year since they were privatised but we still fund the network from our taxes which seem to go into shareholders pockets, the Government have just done one good thing they froze rail fares for the first time in about thirty years, you could call that Socialism, butit means people can afford to take the train to work, just about, as for China have you seen the infrastruture they have and are building it makes the US and some Countries look third World, and if unfettered wild Capitalism was such a success Countries like Bangladesh and Haiti would be the model, and Cuba have been under a economic sanctions for 60 years by the US because they wouldn't allow a fascist dictator and the Mafia rule the Country.

 

[ChrisMarsei14]

This is why you've seen Trump and other rightwing Republican politicos resort to terms like "Marxist" and "Communist" now.

Marxism and Communism are now a reality among socialists who have become even more extreme.

 

[ChrisMarsei14]

you are absolutely full of shit. When the leaders of those countries hear them being called "socialist" they vigorously object. The heart and soul of those countries is the private sector economy that finances the pensions, healthcare, infrastructure, and everything else. North Korea. Cuba. Mao's China, the Soviet Union...all failed. No other result could have come about.

Agreed.

 

[GLASNOST]

... Cuba have been under a economic sanctions for 60 years by the US because they wouldn't allow a fascist dictator and the Mafia rule the Country.

They just don't know Deadstick
... they just-don't-know.

 

[Meathead]

Now, ain’t that sumpin! For all of your links about Sweden’s rise and fall you have deliberately resisted informing our dear USMD members on the fact that the American CIA assassinated the Social-Democrat Prime Minister of Sweden, Olaf Palme, in 1986, and that the consequence of it ushered in the decline of Sweden’s Socialist part of the political equation and was/is instrumental in Sweden’s economical decline and its falling from the top INTERNATIONAL INDEX of DEMOCRACIES. Don’t try to slither out of it. Sweden’s problems today are directly linked to clandestine CIA manipulation of the Swedish political fibre. Sweden has broken its own laws time and time again in order to accommodate the US in its treacherous endeavours. Lack of criticism against the illegal invasion of Irak – allowing CIA aircraft to use Swedish airports to illegally fly Afghanis to Guantánamo to be tortured – Swedish silence over the US illegal invasion of Serbia – Sweden’s active and illegal judicial detainment of Julian Assange whose innocence was clear from day one – Sweden’s coerced application and admittance into NATO. Each and every one of those are direct and unmistakable US manipulation of Sweden’s political and judiciary sovereignty. Shame on you.

Olaf Palme was assonated by the CIA?!

You're pretty far gone to the point I don't think a tin foil hat could help.

 

[Deadstick]

They just don't know Deadstick
... they just-don't-know.

Well this is the result of a lifetime of grooming, if they had been groomed for so long that Communism was the way to go we would have the same result, many of the same people would be flying red flags, the herd or many of them are just too stupid for critical thinking

 

[Deadstick]

Olaf Palme was assonated by the CIA?!

You're pretty far gone to the point I don't think a tin foil hat could help.

It shows how far you are gone that you think they are not capable of it.

 

[EMH]

All the citizens in the democratic countries I cited as examples have the freedom to vote

Not disputing that. They vote for big government to put a rope around the neck of their rights as free people.

You know what they DON'T ever vote for ever, ever, ever...? What America has.

Why do you think that is?

False, I want them to vote for libertarian politicians who promise to shrink government and increase their freedom.

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That is arresting people for "thought crimes." That's not freedom. It certainly should never happen in a democracy, but it is because brits cannot stop voting for big government "socialists."

 

[rightwinger]

To Republicans

Helping the wealthy is just Capitalism
Helping the poor and working class is damned SOCIALISM

 

[Anathema]

And even FOXNEWS knows it, as one of their hosts issues a dire warning on the political landscape at the moment.
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This is why you've seen Trump and other rightwing Republican politicos resort to terms like "Marxist" and "Communist" now.

They won't work either, because the American public finally has their eyes open.

What will Republicans do now to win?

Then maybe the American voters deserve exactly what they get from their choices… NYC, Minneapolis, Seattle, Dearborn, etc… should simply be cut off from the rest of the country and abandoned to their own efforts.

 

[otto105]

If socialism no longer carries a stigma, it is out of ignorance. It is one of the worst economic systems ever conceived, a failure everywhere it has been tried. It is only attractive to people with ZERO real life experience, e.g., teachers and other government workers. If you have ever been self-supporting in the private economy you want nothing to do with socialism.

Just because many governments, including our own, spread risks and rewards among the masses does not make them "socialist." Those programs could not exist without a strong CAPITALIST economy to generate the tax revenue to pay for them. People in Cuba get "free" everything, but "everything" has been reduced to table scraps because they produce next to nothing. The social democracies of Europe offering buckets of free shit are in economic crisis, especially with the millions of third-world bastards who have invaded them. Their "leaders" thought that the imports would work "like good Germans" to pay for the social safety net, but the reality has been quite the opposite.

Norway?

Sweden?

Finland?

 

[EMH]

There are no universally accepted definitions.

Russel Kirk gave 12 conservative principles. But you don't have to align with all 12 to be a conservative.

But just when are you aligned? 5, 7, 9?????

Inquiring minds want to know.

The word "conservative" in America today means this according to EMH

1. favoring smaller, more limited government, hence more freedom
2. lower taxes to reward hard working people financially
3. skepticism of "new ideas to grow government" and "crisis" manufactured to grow government aka CO2 FRAUD, Covid, "Islamic terror," drug war etc.
4. freedom to practice religion in peace not fear, but no "national religion" and freedom to not be religious
5. protecting America, closing the border, having the best military
6. non interventionalist foreign policy, staying out of trouble outside our borders unless there is a direct US national interest
7. balancing the federal budget and reducing debt primarily by cutting spending
8. opposing government control of healthcare, preventing disasters like government forcing people to get Murderous Fraud Vax
9. sunshine, the American people should be able to easily track every cent of government spending
10. a complete audit of what CIA is and where it spends our money
11. no discrimination, no preferential treatment, a merit oriented country in every aspect
12. school vouchers, educational freedom and choice for poor parents
13. skepticism of the motives of homosexuals to be around America's kids, and banning homosexual from being employed to work with kids

 

[Mac-7]

And even FOXNEWS knows it, as one of their hosts issues a dire warning on the political landscape at the moment.

Watch....



This is why you've seen Trump and other rightwing Republican politicos resort to terms like "Marxist" and "Communist" now.

They won't work either, because the American public finally has their eyes open.

What will Republicans do now to win?

I take the threat of socialism seriously

The public schools have been promoting socialism for several generations

And it has brainwashed the under 30 kids who are ready for it

I take the threat seriously

 

[Mac-7]

Norway?

Sweden?

Finland?

None of those are true socialist countries

They are capitalist countries that allow private ownership but with heavy taxation

 

[martybegan]

None of those are true socialist countries

They are capitalist countries that allow private ownership but with heavy taxation

They are better called Bismarckian welfare States, which have their own issues.

 

[GLASNOST]

Olaf Palme was assonated by the CIA?!

It's spelt "assassinated". *See below.

You're pretty far gone to the point I don't think a tin foil hat could help.

You are very much uninformed, Stivic, but with American propaganda and censorship being the absolute worst in the world I can easily understand your ignorance. To express it in words you can understand - "It ain't your fault".

* Are you familiar with the term "circumstantial evidence"? All of the best in the realm of detection point to the CIA being the culprit. I can explain it in more detail but it is very clear that it will go over your head

 

[Mac-7]

They are better called Bismarckian welfare States, which have their own issues.

The under 30 voters are so ignorant really dont know where they are going

 

[GLASNOST]

Well this is the result of a lifetime of grooming, if they had been groomed for so long that Communism was the way to go we would have the same result, many of the same people would be flying red flags, the herd or many of them are just too stupid for critical thinking

That's all true and here is the formula for success in the US (from my own personal perspective):

1). Propaganda

2). Minimal education

3). Censorship

4). Intimidation

5). Geographic isolation

6). Mongering. Take your pick.
a. War mongering
b. Fear mongering
c. Hero worshipping
d. Patriotism

Feel free to make additions, deletions, or rephrasing, Mr. Stick.

 

[Bitterhook]

If socialism no longer carries a stigma, it is out of ignorance. It is one of the worst economic systems ever conceived, a failure everywhere it has been tried. It is only attractive to people with ZERO real life experience, e.g., teachers and other government workers. If you have ever been self-supporting in the private economy you want nothing to do with socialism.

Just because many governments, including our own, spread risks and rewards among the masses does not make them "socialist." Those programs could not exist without a strong CAPITALIST economy to generate the tax revenue to pay for them. People in Cuba get "free" everything, but "everything" has been reduced to table scraps because they produce next to nothing. The social democracies of Europe offering buckets of free shit are in economic crisis, especially with the millions of third-world bastards who have invaded them. Their "leaders" thought that the imports would work "like good Germans" to pay for the social safety net, but the reality has been quite the opposite.

Who is actually shredding our US Constitution and destroying our 'Democracy'?

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to apathy, from apathy to dependence, and from dependence back to bondage." - Alexander Fraiser Tytler

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[Deadstick]

That's all true and here is the formula for success in the US (from my own personal perspective):

1). Propaganda

2). Minimal education

3). Censorship

4). Intimidation

5). Geographic isolation

6). Mongering. Take your pick.
a. War mongering
b. Fear mongering
c. Hero worshipping
d. Patriotism

Feel free to make additions, deletions, or rephrasing, Mr. Stick.

Well i think you covered it, i would just add anyone who questions those is branded as a traitor and not loyal to the Country, the Nazis employed the same technique, it's going the same way over here, i have family in the US or had some have now passed away, they were the product of that grooming after many years i know because i met some of them my Mums younger Sister married a US airman her new Husband was from the South and she went to live over there, first in Florida then Georgia and Alabama where she lived for the rest of her life, i would think she became more right wing extreme than she ever was growing up in Manchester, as for patriotism it is more Nationalism than Patriotism.

You should check some of the Goebbels quotes on Propaganda and he was an expert, the Globalists are working from his play book, below is just one of the guys quotes.

Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated
are confident they are acting on their own free will.