"Socialism" Isn't the big bad boogie word Republicans want it to be any more

[dblack]

Sorry Komrade, but Nature and the Laws of Science puts limits on your pravda delusion: "If society wants to make it happen, we'll make it happen." Much of the Real World is beyond human desire to change reality.

You might consider living in the Real World.

Swing and a miss.

 

[Stryder50]

Swing and a miss.

So you have the solution to anti-gravity ?
OR; Do you have a way for Newtonian linear acceleration to exceed the speed of Light when it comes to inter-stellar travel systems ????
OR; Do you know how to create more matter or energy than already exists ?

Dude, you've just displayed your gross ignorance of science and reality.

 

[Stryder50]

Who told you that? from what i have seen the Chinese don't like corrupt officials they seem to end up on the wrong end of a firing squad.

Depends on what friends they have and which faction they are aligned with.
The whole CCP system of running PRChina is based upon corruption.

 

[sparky]

There should be some sort of award for the most obfuscated vs. those trying to un-obfuscate thread here.......~S~

 

[HikerGuy83]

While attractive, I can see a lot of loopholes in that plsn

The space program for instance

Or cancer resesrch

The space program can probably be justified under national defense.

Cancer research? Really? You want the federal government (the one that can spend 100 dollars for a toilet seat) to do do cancer research?

 

[HikerGuy83]

You can't/won't answer me.
You can't counter what I say so you're "bored".
Well, I'm bored with people defending the most brutal, undemocratic, corrupt, murderous thuggery in the history of mankind.
So there.

I think you and I are aligned ideologically in most ways.

I would not call him a communist.

Let's recap. The idiot MarcATL talks about "Socialism" in his OP. He claims it isn't boobeyman. Now, those of us who have been exposed to poly sci have a definition of socialism that was taught to us.

MoronATL does not realize he is conflating "Socialism" with necessary collectivism. John Jay stated in Federalist 2 that people bind together to form a government and cede a few rights to protect the rest of their rights. I would agree with that.

At the city level we have police forces that are under the direction (in an indirect way) of an elected city council. The people of the city create a charter, form a city and pass laws. They then authorize a police force to execute what is needed so the law if followed. In the moronic discussions with left wingers....they call that socialism.....it isn't.

Far from it. And even if it was (and again.....it is not), it would be from the city level. Not the federal level.

Now dickweed GLASNOST, who likes to fry things (like his penis in a wall outlet) is somehow trying to equate things that simply don't equate.

Socialism by defintion is an economic system where the means of production, distribution and all related to it are under the control of the collective (but in reality....it is the government). Essentially, there is no private ownership of capital assets. You can own your tube of tuthpast. You can't own land (not all definitions state this, but enough do to point at it).

That isn't what the democrats are trying to do.

While they are idiots of the worst kind, this is not their end goal from what I can tell. You have to many Pelosi's screwing us over by insider-trading to have hundreds of millions (which she would never own under socialism), so I don't think this is her goal.

Certainly it is not communism.

Now, before you go ape****, I am just trying to make a clarification for the so-called discussion at hand.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Sure Jan.

Here is piss-for-brains making his usual claim.

Recall in September he was saying the same thing.

Sure Nov(2024).

We know how that worked out for him.

He doesn't get the senate or presidencey or the SCOTUS in 2026, but he gets a tingle at the thought of actually being back in the game at some level.

I look forward to. Trump isn't doing much about our debt. In 2026, we'll hand that on the left-wing retards

 

[HikerGuy83]

I think you farted your brain out.

What brain?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Socialism might work better for the middle class if a government is not corrupt. America has a very corrupt government that basically functions to funnel capital to the capital class. The capital class and the government are not going to funnel money to the middle class ever, so forget about socialism here. The worst thing that could happen is to let this corrupt government introduce socialism, because it will instead end up as corporate fascism that benefits the capital class more and a further impoverished middle class.

Socialism as defined, is not what you want. If you are talking about better social structures like Sweden or Finland have, maybe. While I have not found consistent information on Swedish Tax Rates, I believe they are higher than the U.S. (I think they are above 50%). You get some good stuff for that tax....whether you want it/need it or not.

Again, socialism is taking over the means of production and distribution. This is done through and administration, generally the government which has little checks and balances on it.

 

[marvin martian]

And even FOXNEWS knows it, as one of their hosts issues a dire warning on the political landscape at the moment.

Watch....



This is why you've seen Trump and other rightwing Republican politicos resort to terms like "Marxist" and "Communist" now.

They won't work either, because the American public finally has their eyes open.

What will Republicans do now to win?

Did you say "big bad boogie", you nerdy honky?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Just how ******* dumb are you anyway?

I know it is a rhetorical question, but I'd still love to see his answer.

 

[GLASNOST]

So there!

I think you and I are aligned ideologically in most ways.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Glasnost or Tupitsa?

 

[GLASNOST]

So there ...

I think you and I are aligned ideologically in most ways.

I find it so beautiful & heart-warming to see people making new friends.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Socialism as defined, is not what you want. If you are talking about better social structures like Sweden or Finland have, maybe. While I have not found consistent information on Swedish Tax Rates, I believe they are higher than the U.S. (I think they are above 50%). You get some good stuff for that tax....whether you want it/need it or not.

Again, socialism is taking over the means of production and distribution. This is done through and administration, generally the government which has little checks and balances on it.

This is the problem with political discussion, everyone still thinks in the old theoretical paradigms and ignores the practical application of modern governance. My point is, there is no pure capitalism, socialism or communism in existence. There is only good governance vs. bad governance. Any form of government can be made to work if the application of it is not corrupt and actually benefits the people. Likewise, any form of government will fail if the application of it is fully corrupt. I posit that if a government is corrupt we should push to have as little governance as possible, and a great government should be allowed to grow to the point of maximum benefit. Unfortunately the US government is corrupt and should be drastically reduced in size. A government like in Switzerland or Denmark can grow as needed.

 

[Mac-7]

The space program can probably be justified under national defense.

Cancer research? Really? You want the federal government (the one that can spend 100 dollars for a toilet seat) to do do cancer research?

The federal government pays for much if not most of the cancer research

 

[Lockback]

I think you and I are aligned ideologically in most ways.

I would not call him a communist.

Let's recap. The idiot MarcATL talks about "Socialism" in his OP. He claims it isn't boobeyman. Now, those of us who have been exposed to poly sci have a definition of socialism that was taught to us.

MoronATL does not realize he is conflating "Socialism" with necessary collectivism. John Jay stated in Federalist 2 that people bind together to form a government and cede a few rights to protect the rest of their rights. I would agree with that.

At the city level we have police forces that are under the direction (in an indirect way) of an elected city council. The people of the city create a charter, form a city and pass laws. They then authorize a police force to execute what is needed so the law if followed. In the moronic discussions with left wingers....they call that socialism.....it isn't.

Far from it. And even if it was (and again.....it is not), it would be from the city level. Not the federal level.

Now dickweed GLASNOST, who likes to fry things (like his penis in a wall outlet) is somehow trying to equate things that simply don't equate.

Socialism by defintion is an economic system where the means of production, distribution and all related to it are under the control of the collective (but in reality....it is the government). Essentially, there is no private ownership of capital assets. You can own your tube of tuthpast. You can't own land (not all definitions state this, but enough do to point at it).

That isn't what the democrats are trying to do.

While they are idiots of the worst kind, this is not their end goal from what I can tell. You have to many Pelosi's screwing us over by insider-trading to have hundreds of millions (which she would never own under socialism), so I don't think this is her goal.

Certainly it is not communism.

Now, before you go ape****, I am just trying to make a clarification for the so-called discussion at hand.

The modern American Leftist loves to make fun of those of us who call them Communists, saying, "You don't even know what a Communist is!"
In fact, I do.
Of course, I can give them some analytical, professorial answer copied and pasted from some academic website. But I don't need to. Because I can smell a Commie a mile away.
They hate white people. They hate rich people. They hate rural people. They hate religion (except for Islam, ironically). They are arrogant, thinking they're smarter than the average person. They refer to "democratic socialism", which just means "mob rule".
They replace God with The State. They still worship a god but it's some amorphous governmental bureaucracy instead of The Almighty. They have very little respect for life, favoring abortion and government-assisted suicide.
I was born hating Communism. I value freedom over almost anything. I believe in free markets (which are sadly almost impossible to find anymore) and capitalism, which is a flawed system but on balance the best one ever invented.

 

[GLASNOST]

This is the problem with political discussion, everyone still thinks in the old theoretical paradigms and ignores the practical application of modern governance.

Absolutely true.

My point is, there is no pure capitalism, socialism or communism in existence.

True again.

There is only good governance vs. bad governance. Any form of government can be made to work if the application of it is not corrupt and actually benefits the people.

Yes, yes, yes.

Unfortunately the US government is corrupt

As I see it, every government is corrupt these days.

and should be drastically reduced in size. .

I don't think that in itself is any solution. My advice is "reform". As you've already hinted (indirectly) every political philosophy has its good merits but it's the corruption that's made it "bad governance". Hitler's Nazism was cheered in the beginning and I think we understand why. I've also seen film footage of people in the streets of Italy praising Mussolini and Fascism .... I don't know why but there must have been a good reason. And what about Democracy? The US claimed it was liberating Irak by introducing Democracy, lying about non-existent WMDs, torturing people, and thus murdered 1 million innocent men, women, and children. AND THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT! So, Democracy – that the hell’s that? I can tell you what it is (and it’s a wonderful thing) but it ain’t being practised anywhere and the UN isn’t even overseeing it, the bastards!

 

[GLASNOST]

.... I can smell a Commie a mile away.

What an ass. Yesterday you said I am a Communist. You can't even smell your own balls after not having showered a full month. You don't have any idea what Communism is.

 

[Lockback]

What an ass. Yesterday you said I am a Communist. You can't even smell your own balls after not having showered a full month. You don't have any idea what Communism is.

When you question that Communism has killed millions of people, for example, and totally deny the reality of the history of Communism, the stench from you is overpowering, Commie Boy.