So you are a Army EV tank commander fighting in a foreign country, where do you get the electricity to charge the tank in the midst of a battle?

[Nostra]

Couldn’t they put a solar panel on the tank?

And windmills on a B-52.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The first stage will be anyway the AbramsX, a new, 60-ton, AI-enabled, fuel efficient hybrid-electric main battle tank.
Then we will see to where this EV mania leads to.

https://warriormaven.com/land/-abramsx-ai-enabled-fuel-efficient-unmanned-turret-silent-attack

Diesel electric and turbo electric drives are nothing new. Submarines and Destroyers used diesel electric drives in WWII and Lexington and Saratoga used Turbo electric drives in the twenties and thirties. Ferdinand Porsche's various tank designs for Germany during WWII all used diesel electric drives. The problem was that they all used immense quantities of scarce and valuable copper.

 

[Nostra]

Goddamn. You should just stop commenting.

On Dec 2, 2012

 

[AZrailwhale]

A Abrams tank uses about a 2 gallons of fuel to go over 1 mile at Maximum Speed of 42 mph and a range: 265 mi.
M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank - Specifications.

So if an EV uses in 1 mile .25/kWh = a car traveling 33.705 Miles for one gallon of gas... then an EV to equal traveling 33 miles X.25 kWh would require 132 kWh.

Miles per Kilowatt-Hour to Miles per Gallon Gasoline Equivalent Conversion

Convert miles per kilowatt-hour to miles per gallon gasoline equivalent (mi/kWh to MPGe) with the electric car efficiency conversion calculator, and learn the formula.

www.inchcalculator.com

So to travel the 265 miles range of an Abrams tank would require the equivalent of 133 kWh X 265 miles or 8,745 kWh.
A 100 kWh battery pack in the Model S weighs 1,377 pounds How Much Does a Tesla Battery Weigh?
An Abrams tank using 8,745 kWh to travel 265 miles (8,745kWh/85kWh) or another 60 tons to the weight.
M1 Abrams Tank - First Division Museum

It's actually far worse than that. Wheeled vehicles coast much of the time. tracked vehicles have to power all the time. Plus tanks spend a lot of time idling in combat with all their electronic systems activated. That's why they have auxillary engines so the gas turbines don'y have to run and consume large amounts of fuel.

 

[Kruska]

NO PROOF of your statements... what is your source regarding Abrams' weight?

The present (latest modernization) is the M1-A2 Sepv3 - weights around 74 tonnes, The M1-A2 Sep weighs around 67 tonnes

M1A2 SEP (or System Enhancement Program) variant. It is a successor to the M1A2. In 1998 a program was launched to increase protection of the M1A2 tanks. The upgrade package added improved armor protection, improved system components, improved computer components with digital maps and battlefield management system, and some other improvements. First M1A2 SEP tank was delivered to the US Army in 1999. A total of 240 M1A2 SEP tanks were newly built. Around 660 additional tanks were upgraded to this standard from the M1, M1A1 and M1A2 models.

M1A2 SEP v3 (version 3) is currently the most advanced upgraded version of the Abrams tank used by the US Army. Deliveries commenced in 2020.

The M1 Abrams Tank Needs to Shave Off a Few, Uh, Tons

This absolute unit now weighs over 147,000 pounds. That's a problem.

www.popularmechanics.com

According to the DOTE, the M1A2SEPV3 performs well, accomplishing its assigned task “in 19 of 20 missions during operational testing.” The problem? The upgrades that turn an Abrams into the latest SEPV3 version boost the tank to a whopping 73.6 tons.

The upgrades “introduce suitability concerns,” the report says. “Weight growth limits the tank’s tactical transportability. The M1A2 SEPv3 is not transportable by current recovery vehicles, tactical bridges, or heavy equipment transporters. Crews had difficulty operating government-furnished equipment.”

 

[Kruska]

Diesel electric and turbo electric drives are nothing new. Submarines and Destroyers used diesel electric drives in WWII and Lexington and Saratoga used Turbo electric drives in the twenties and thirties. Ferdinand Porsche's various tank designs for Germany during WWII all used diesel electric drives. The problem was that they all used immense quantities of scarce and valuable copper.

Correct - copper in those days was scarce foremost only for Germany - today it is even less scarce (independent of the artificial pricing at the stock/spot - market and due to it's regulated/manipulated mining quota). Same applies to e.g. diamonds and all these other so called "precious" aka rare earth minerals.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Correct - copper in those days was scarce foremost only for Germany - today it is even less scarce (independent of the artificial pricing at the stock/spot - market and due to it's regulated/manipulated mining quota). Same applies to e.g. diamonds and all these other so called "precious" aka rare earth minerals.

I meant Destroyer ESCORTS, not destroyers. For some reason the edit tab has disappeared.

 

[Dadoalex]

So where is the LIE in this first sentence?
I wrote: "So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks will be ALL developed, produced and ready for action by 2030?"

Where is the lie? The first word..."SO" is most often interpreted by smarter people evidently than you as a SUPPOSITION...i.e. I guess I should have wrote..."So it is my supposition that you like ....."
Where is the lie? Now this would be a LIE... "Dadoalex agrees with Granholm that a new generations..." but I didn't write that!
I never said you THINK what Granholm thinks...... I said "So you like Granholm," ? Wow!

THAT'S the lie. I never expressed such an opinion. I said that with the growth of the technology, it was possible.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Untrue. One example is Napoleonic warfare strategy.

Napoleon was overrated and incompetant.

 

[healthmyths]

THAT'S the lie. I never expressed such an opinion. I said that with the growth of the technology, it was possible.

AND the distinction is simple...I never SAID you agreed with Granholm...Again exactly what I said... If as I pointed out I said..
"Dadoalex agrees with Granholm that a new generations...." That is a lie.
But I'm doing what the biased MSM has done specifically with people like me... the imply there was a lie.
I NEVER said Dadoalex agrees with Granholm that a new generations.
What I said was: "So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks" And your reply would be NO I don't think like Granholm!
I simply made an assumption... I NEVER made a statement... it was a question! See you obviously don't understand the manipulation of the news or else YOU would not JUMP to the conclusion that my statement "So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks" meant I believed you believed what Granholm believes! But I never said that! I asked you a simple question! I didn't make a statement. It's like
this old mix up... When did you stop beating your wife? Again my several courses in journalism when journalism was NOT like it is now that type of question "When did you stop..." Is the way to manipulate the news which you've evidently fell for!
AGAIN... I never made a factual statement: "Dadoalex agrees with Granholm that a new generations.." That is a lie!
If you don't comprehend the subtle distinction that presented IT is proof to me and your lacking substantiation is further verification of
your lack of intelligence and the manipulation of the MSM to people like you that don't understand the way of manipulating the news which I didn't...by the way... AGAIN I asked a question. "So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks"
I didn't LIE and say YOU like Granholm think a new generation.....????
Remember the example I shared..."When did you stop beating your wife?" like my question.."So you like Granholm think a new generation"
Do you understand??? OF course you don't because you truly can't admit when you are wrong. Finally let me ask the question again...
MY question to you.."So you called me a ' liar' because I simply asked you...'So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks'"?

 

[themirrorthief]

Napoleon was overrated and incompetant.

the topic wasnt about Joe Biden

 

[kyzr]

I drive to the gas station or get a can of gas
Any more stupid questions monkey boy?

You're the low-IQ dumbass that supports EV tanks even though the military experts say it's "asinine" and "moronic".
You don't have time or space or equipment to recharge 60-80 tanks on a battlefield monkey face.
You barely have time to refuel.
If you can't see how stupid EV tanks is you're a moron.

 

[Pappadave1]

Granholm's call for 100% EV military puts 'electric tanks,' green agenda before national security: critics​

Granholm's call for 100% EV military puts 'electric tanks,' green agenda before national security: critics

President Biden's energy secretary, Michigan Democrat Jennifer Granholm, wants to see a fully-electric military by the year 2030, causing controversy among critics.

www.foxnews.com

I saw her comments about tanks being EVs
Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm received blowback from critics this week after she testified before the Senate in support of a plan to fully establish an all-electric vehicle fleet in the U.S. military by the 2030s, leading some observers to wonder if the Biden administration believes politics trumps national security.
An Abrams tank uses about a 2 gallons of fuel to go over 1 mile at Maximum Speed: 42 mph with a Range: 265 mi.
M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank - Specifications.
So if an EV uses 1 mi/kWh = a car traveling 33.705 Miles for one gallon of gas... then an EV to equal traveling 33 miles /gallon
would require 33 kWh.

Miles per Kilowatt-Hour to Miles per Gallon Gasoline Equivalent Conversion

Convert miles per kilowatt-hour to miles per gallon gasoline equivalent (mi/kWh to MPGe) with the electric car efficiency conversion calculator, and learn the formula.

www.inchcalculator.com

So to travel the 265 miles range of an Abrams tank would require the equivalent of 33 kWh X 265 miles or 8,745 kWh.
A 100 kWh battery pack in the Model S weighs 1,377 pounds How Much Does a Tesla Battery Weigh?
An Abrams tank using 8,745 kWh to travel 265 miles (8,745kWh/85kWh) or another 60 tons to the weight.
M1 Abrams Tank - First Division Museum
So not only would the over 6,000 Abrams takes now weigh an additional 60 tons for the 87 batteries to the U.S. Army is believed to have 2,509 Abrams in various versions, with an additional 3,700 in storage.

The History Of The Abrams Tank

The Biden administration has announced it will send 31 M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine in what Kyiv authorities are hailing as a possible game-changer in a war that is now 11 months old. RFE/RL takes a quick look at the Abrams's history and its specs.

www.rferl.org

But each tank would use 8,745 kWh per tank to travel 265 miles per tank.
Where will the 52,470,000 kWh come from especially in a winter season when EVs have trouble traveling in the cold?

OR where will the military's 170,000 non-tactical vehicles — the cars and trucks we use on our bases, get the electricity?

U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric — With Detroit’s Help

U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric — With Detroit’s Help

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

Remember electricity is NOT made by the re-chargers. Electricity is generated by solar panels (each 3'ftX5'Ft panel generates
Most residential solar panels on today’s market are rated to produce between 250 and 400 watts each per hour or in a sunny day

How much energy do solar panels produce for your home | YES Energy Solutions

More people are beginning to see the numerous benefits solar panels can bring, both environmentally and financially. Learn exactly how much electricity solar panels could generate for your household.

www.yesenergysolutions.co.uk

With an average of 3348 hours of sunlight per year one panel at 400 watts/hour will generate 1,339 kWh.

AGAIN where will all the electricity come from to power military EVs especially in foreign countries? And how will that electricity get to the
re-chargers? OH... yea right... fossil fuel converted into gasoline power generators. RIGHT!!!

The cost of all those extension cords would break the bank!

 

[22lcidw]

It's actually far worse than that. Wheeled vehicles coast much of the time. tracked vehicles have to power all the time. Plus tanks spend a lot of time idling in combat with all their electronic systems activated. That's why they have auxillary engines so the gas turbines don'y have to run and consume large amounts of fuel.

That may mean that future variations of tanks may be wheeled. For what thats worth.

 

[Dadoalex]

AND the distinction is simple...I never SAID you agreed with Granholm...Again exactly what I said... If as I pointed out I said..
"Dadoalex agrees with Granholm that a new generations...." That is a lie.
But I'm doing what the biased MSM has done specifically with people like me... the imply there was a lie.
I NEVER said Dadoalex agrees with Granholm that a new generations.
What I said was: "So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks" And your reply would be NO I don't think like Granholm!
I simply made an assumption... I NEVER made a statement... it was a question! See you obviously don't understand the manipulation of the news or else YOU would not JUMP to the conclusion that my statement "So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks" meant I believed you believed what Granholm believes! But I never said that! I asked you a simple question! I didn't make a statement. It's like
this old mix up... When did you stop beating your wife? Again my several courses in journalism when journalism was NOT like it is now that type of question "When did you stop..." Is the way to manipulate the news which you've evidently fell for!
AGAIN... I never made a factual statement: "Dadoalex agrees with Granholm that a new generations.." That is a lie!
If you don't comprehend the subtle distinction that presented IT is proof to me and your lacking substantiation is further verification of
your lack of intelligence and the manipulation of the MSM to people like you that don't understand the way of manipulating the news which I didn't...by the way... AGAIN I asked a question. "So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks"
I didn't LIE and say YOU like Granholm think a new generation.....????
Remember the example I shared..."When did you stop beating your wife?" like my question.."So you like Granholm think a new generation"
Do you understand??? OF course you don't because you truly can't admit when you are wrong. Finally let me ask the question again...
MY question to you.."So you called me a ' liar' because I simply asked you...'So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks'"?

he more you try to explain the lie the more evident the lie becomes.

 

[Dadoalex]

You're the low-IQ dumbass that supports EV tanks even though the military experts say it's "asinine" and "moronic".
You don't have time or space or equipment to recharge 60-80 tanks on a battlefield monkey face.
You barely have time to refuel.
If you can't see how stupid EV tanks is you're a moron.

15 years ago.
"EV's only get 40 MPC if you can't see how stupid EVs are you're a moron."

Time's a funny thing. It clearly demonstrates who the moron is, moron.

 

[healthmyths]

he more you try to explain the lie the more evident the lie becomes.

Then you are doing what I've illustrated with your point that the MSM like YOU take parts of a story and emphasis what supports their position!
AGAIN try to follow this... Where did I lie?
I wrote: So you like Granholm think a new generation of EV Abram tanks will be ALL developed, produced and ready for action by 2030? And you call that a LIE? I DID NOT make a STATEMENT that usually ends with a period or exclamation point BUT NOT a question mark ?...!
Not let me prove you are wrong when you call me a liar!
You should use a question mark at the end of every sentence that asks a direct question.

When Should a Sentence End In a Question Mark?

You should use a question mark at the end of every sentence that asks a direct question. It replaces the period as the sentence's concluding punctuation.

prowritingaid.com

Can a question be a lie? An empirical investigation​

In several recent papers and a monograph, Andreas Stokke argues that questions can be misleading, but that they cannot be lies. The aim of this paper is to show that ordinary speakers disagree. We show that ordinary speakers judge certain kinds of insincere questions to be lies, namely questions carrying a believed false presupposition the speaker intends to convey.

Can a Question Be a Lie? An Empirical Investigation

In several recent papers and a monograph, Andreas Stokke argues that questions can be misleading, but that they cannot be lies. The aim of this paper is to show that ordinary speakers disagree. We show that ordinary speakers judge certain kinds of insincere questions to be lies, namely questions...

journals.publishing.umich.edu

AGAIN as I've repeatedly reminded you provide substantiating sources for your subjective, personal comments!?

 

[Nostra]

I hear we are just weeks away from solar powered submarines.

 

[Flash]

The Potatohead administration are absolutely the dumbest people to ever be in power.

The idea of using EVs for the military has to be the dumbest idea ever.

I don't think that using EVs for military vehicles ever made Sun Tzu The Art of War strategy, did it?

The only thing that I can think of is that Biden's Chinese handlers gave him orders to do it. "Sun Tzu - "pay off the leader of your enemies to use EVs".

That is the only rational justification I can think of.

When Potatohead stole the election he really fucked this nation, didn't he?

These idiots that voted for Potatoheaed are the dumbest SOBs on the planet, aren't they?

 

[Flash]

Even with a small, fast, and quiet EV, a hydrogen fuel cell makes more sense than heavy batteries.

For war you use the most available and proven. Fossil fuels.