So, we find out Jane Roe was paid to lie about her pro-life stance

[BWK]

Clearly Jane Roe couldn't afford to take a case clear to the Supreme Court. Who paid for her legal costs, Planned Parenthood?

What we do know, is that the pro-life paid her to start with to lie. And since your question has no answer, it's worth nothing. Next!

Are you not familiar with the whole story? She said the same thing about the pro-abort side, she claimed she was manipulated and used by them so that they could legalize abortion, she said that they never cared about her, they only cared about having a plaintiff for their case. She stated that the entire Roe v Wade case was based on a lie.

Now, allegedly, she claimed she was paid by the pro-abortion side? Go back to post #69.

Ultimately, nothing that she says matters. HER thoughts on abortion, no matter what they are, does not change actual truth. Truth is not dependent on what we think it is, it just is what it is.

It doesn't matter. She was paid to lie, and the guy who paid her fessed up to it. End of story. Why would you need to lie? Simple, the science was never on their side, and it never will be.

 

[whitehall]

Clearly Jane Roe couldn't afford to take a case clear to the Supreme Court. Who paid for her legal costs, Planned Parenthood?

What we do know, is that the pro-life paid her to start with to lie. And since your question has no answer, it's worth nothing. Next!

Are you not familiar with the whole story? She said the same thing about the pro-abort side, she claimed she was manipulated and used by them so that they could legalize abortion, she said that they never cared about her, they only cared about having a plaintiff for their case. She stated that the entire Roe v Wade case was based on a lie.

Now, allegedly, she claimed she was paid by the pro-abortion side? Go back to post #69.

Ultimately, nothing that she says matters. HER thoughts on abortion, no matter what they are, does not change actual truth. Truth is not dependent on what we think it is, it just is what it is.

True enough. It's a far more logical scenario that Roe was manipulated and supported by the emerging abortion industry while her case went up to the Supreme Court. It's also logical that she is being compensated by the abortion industry now to lie about her relationship with "operation rescue". It's sad that the woman never accomplished anything in her life except to legalize the murder of millions of unborn kids and her life is defined by it and nothing else.

 

[BWK]

BWK = gullible Dimm wit.
He saw something on TV, so it must be true!

Failed arguments by attacking the person you failed to beat, means you surrendered. Thanks for the admission.

 

[BWK]

Clearly Jane Roe couldn't afford to take a case clear to the Supreme Court. Who paid for her legal costs, Planned Parenthood?

What we do know, is that the pro-life paid her to start with to lie. And since your question has no answer, it's worth nothing. Next!

Are you not familiar with the whole story? She said the same thing about the pro-abort side, she claimed she was manipulated and used by them so that they could legalize abortion, she said that they never cared about her, they only cared about having a plaintiff for their case. She stated that the entire Roe v Wade case was based on a lie.

Now, allegedly, she claimed she was paid by the pro-abortion side? Go back to post #69.

Ultimately, nothing that she says matters. HER thoughts on abortion, no matter what they are, does not change actual truth. Truth is not dependent on what we think it is, it just is what it is.

True enough. It's a far more logical scenario that Roe was manipulated and supported by the emerging abortion industry while her case went up to the Supreme Court. It's also logical that she is being compensated by the abortion industry now to lie about her relationship with "operation rescue". It's sad that the woman never accomplished anything in her life except to legalize the murder of millions of unborn kids and her life is defined by it and nothing else.

Too bad for you, that in the entire rest of your life, you'll never be able to prove that this is legalized murder. The science bears this out, as my link proves.

 

[B. Kidd]

BWK = gullible Dimm wit.
He saw something on TV, so it must be true!

Failed arguments by attacking the person you failed to beat, means you surrendered. Thanks for the admission.

There should be a 'gullible dweeb' test to keep people like you from voting.

 

[buttercup]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

I recorded the movie and watched it today.

Wow.

Even the anti choice jerk admitted that it was all a scam. He admitted that he used her. He even said a woman has the right to choose.

She lied the whole time.

They used her and she used them.

Wow.

All of the anti choice people have been scammed and manipulated. Just as I've been saying all these years.

They aren't pro life. They have never been pro life.

They have always hated women and always wanted to punish women for having sex. While having no problem with men having sex, making a woman pregnant then walking away without even looking back to see what he has done.

We see it on this board all the time. The woman is a slut or whore. Yet they have no problem with what they consider a slut or whore raising a child.

The fact that they do all they can to prevent women from having contraceptives, from having any health care, no living wage, no reliable child care and no job security screams it's not about life to those people. They don't give one damn about any life. It's all about making themselves feel superior and punishing women for having sex.

Remember when he said the gig was up? That was priceless. The pro-life folks boxed themselves in with payoffs, ignorance of science, and their false claims about the sanctity of life. They're pro-birth. They could give two shits about life. Look at how they are so eager to sacrifice others to Corona. They make you want to puke.

Yes I remember. I was floored. How he could say that so casually.

All the people who are hurt. All the people they murdered. All the people they scammed money from. All the lives they destroyed.

All the lies and deceptions.

It's all sickening. They are seriously disgusting human beings.

And that is why this anti-abortion crowd stay in the gutter with the same nonsensical arguments. They go round and round like the chickens with the head cut off. Science is not on their side. They cannot determine intelligently, and scientifically when life begins. They just can't. So what do they do? They invent a time table in their heads.

You are really, really ignorant.

No,it's just that you have no intelligent/informative/scientific arguments. That makes you the ignorant one, not me.

I can see that you live in upside-down land, so I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the reality is, scientifically, the baby in the womb is indeed a human being, a member of the human species. Here are a few excerpts from medical textbooks for you. There are many more like this.

​

​

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”​

​

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council​

​

______​

​

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”​

​

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30​

​

______​

​

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D., one of the pioneers of in vitro fertilization:​

​

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; human beings begin at conception.”​

​

From Landrum B. Shettles “Rites of Life: The Scientific Evidence for Life Before Birth” Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1983 p 40​

​

______​

​

Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.​

​

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”​

​

______​

​

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”​

​

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)​

​

______​

​

Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144​

​

“In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”​

​

______​

​

National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), http://www.merriamwebster.com/...​

​

The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.”​

​

Steven Ertelt “Undisputed Scientific Fact: Human Life Begins at Conception, or Fertilization”​

​

______​

​

“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”​

​

Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55​

​

______​

​

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419​

​

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”​

​

______​

​

Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3​

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”​

​

______​

​

​

Lennart Nilsson A Child is Born: Completely Revised Edition (Dell Publishing Co.: New York) 1986​

​

“but the whole story does not begin with delivery. The baby has existed for months before – at first signaling its presence only with small outer signs, later on as a somewhat foreign little being which has been growing and gradually affecting the lives of those close by…”​

​

​

______​

​

​

“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”​

​

Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)​

​

______​

​

Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.​

​

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."​

​

______​

​

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18:​

​

“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”​

There has never been a foundation in science that can definitively define life. Living cells at conception that are multiplying and developing have no basis for confirming life as it relates to a living full person.

What is the nabecause ture of the new cell that comes into existence upon sperm-egg fusion? Most importantly, is the zygote merely another human cell (like a liver cell or a skin cell) or is it something else? Just as science distinguishes between different types of cells, it also makes clear distinctions between cells and organisms. Both cells and organisms are alive, yet organisms exhibit unique characteristics that can reliably distinguish them from mere cells.[2]

A Scientific View of When Life Begins - Lozier Institute

In this paper, Dr. Maureen Condic examines scientific evidence for the point at which it is evident that human life begins.

lozierinstitute.org

So, that is the argument that cannot be answered. Living cells have been with us since the beginning. But the life of an actual organism cannot be decided by science.

You yourself are hijacking the science to your own end.

The difference between conception with sperm-egg as a Zygote can be viewed as a cell, just as a liver or kidney, but cannot be viewed as a living organism, because the living organism exhibits different characteristics other than cells. Therefore, your claim is quickly dismissed. You base your arguments on religion and philosophy. Neither of which have any practical application.

That is absolutely ignorant and foolish. You have no idea what you're talking about. That much is clear.

 

[Dana7360]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

I recorded the movie and watched it today.

Wow.

Even the anti choice jerk admitted that it was all a scam. He admitted that he used her. He even said a woman has the right to choose.

She lied the whole time.

They used her and she used them.

Wow.

All of the anti choice people have been scammed and manipulated. Just as I've been saying all these years.

They aren't pro life. They have never been pro life.

They have always hated women and always wanted to punish women for having sex. While having no problem with men having sex, making a woman pregnant then walking away without even looking back to see what he has done.

We see it on this board all the time. The woman is a slut or whore. Yet they have no problem with what they consider a slut or whore raising a child.

The fact that they do all they can to prevent women from having contraceptives, from having any health care, no living wage, no reliable child care and no job security screams it's not about life to those people. They don't give one damn about any life. It's all about making themselves feel superior and punishing women for having sex.

Remember when he said the gig was up? That was priceless. The pro-life folks boxed themselves in with payoffs, ignorance of science, and their false claims about the sanctity of life. They're pro-birth. They could give two shits about life. Look at how they are so eager to sacrifice others to Corona. They make you want to puke.

Yes I remember. I was floored. How he could say that so casually.

All the people who are hurt. All the people they murdered. All the people they scammed money from. All the lives they destroyed.

All the lies and deceptions.

It's all sickening. They are seriously disgusting human beings.

And that is why this anti-abortion crowd stay in the gutter with the same nonsensical arguments. They go round and round like the chickens with the head cut off. Science is not on their side. They cannot determine intelligently, and scientifically when life begins. They just can't. So what do they do? They invent a time table in their heads.

They claim that life begins at conception but I always ask them about ectopic pregnancies.

There's only 2 outcomes to that pregnancy,

1. Nothing is done, the woman dies. If the woman is lucky and is able to get to a doctor immediately, she has a chance to live but zero chance to retain or preserve her fertility.

2. An abortion is performed the woman lives.

Life begins when the woman chooses. Period. If she chooses to carry that pregnancy to term great. If she chooses to terminate it, that's her choice.

That's what it comes down to. Men don't make that choice. Men can't control it anymore. That control was taken from them by us women.

They have made it quite clear. They will lie, cheat, scam, deceive, blow up buildings, even murder people to regain that control.

 

[BWK]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

I recorded the movie and watched it today.

Wow.

Even the anti choice jerk admitted that it was all a scam. He admitted that he used her. He even said a woman has the right to choose.

She lied the whole time.

They used her and she used them.

Wow.

All of the anti choice people have been scammed and manipulated. Just as I've been saying all these years.

They aren't pro life. They have never been pro life.

They have always hated women and always wanted to punish women for having sex. While having no problem with men having sex, making a woman pregnant then walking away without even looking back to see what he has done.

We see it on this board all the time. The woman is a slut or whore. Yet they have no problem with what they consider a slut or whore raising a child.

The fact that they do all they can to prevent women from having contraceptives, from having any health care, no living wage, no reliable child care and no job security screams it's not about life to those people. They don't give one damn about any life. It's all about making themselves feel superior and punishing women for having sex.

Remember when he said the gig was up? That was priceless. The pro-life folks boxed themselves in with payoffs, ignorance of science, and their false claims about the sanctity of life. They're pro-birth. They could give two shits about life. Look at how they are so eager to sacrifice others to Corona. They make you want to puke.

Yes I remember. I was floored. How he could say that so casually.

All the people who are hurt. All the people they murdered. All the people they scammed money from. All the lives they destroyed.

All the lies and deceptions.

It's all sickening. They are seriously disgusting human beings.

And that is why this anti-abortion crowd stay in the gutter with the same nonsensical arguments. They go round and round like the chickens with the head cut off. Science is not on their side. They cannot determine intelligently, and scientifically when life begins. They just can't. So what do they do? They invent a time table in their heads.

They claim that life begins at conception but I always ask them about ectopic pregnancies.

There's only 2 outcomes to that pregnancy,

1. Nothing is done, the woman dies. If the woman is lucky and is able to get to a doctor immediately, she has a chance to live but zero chance to retain or preserve her fertility.

2. An abortion is performed the woman lives.

Life begins when the woman chooses. Period. If she chooses to carry that pregnancy to term great. If she chooses to terminate it, that's her choice.

That's what it comes down to. Men don't make that choice. Men can't control it anymore. That control was taken from them by us women.

They have made it quite clear. They will lie, cheat, scam, deceive, blow up buildings, even murder people to regain that control.

They only understand the science that is convenient to them, to go along with their religious and philosophical beliefs. Their science has never been complete. Sorry, but that isn't going to fly.

 

[BWK]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

I recorded the movie and watched it today.

Wow.

Even the anti choice jerk admitted that it was all a scam. He admitted that he used her. He even said a woman has the right to choose.

She lied the whole time.

They used her and she used them.

Wow.

All of the anti choice people have been scammed and manipulated. Just as I've been saying all these years.

They aren't pro life. They have never been pro life.

They have always hated women and always wanted to punish women for having sex. While having no problem with men having sex, making a woman pregnant then walking away without even looking back to see what he has done.

We see it on this board all the time. The woman is a slut or whore. Yet they have no problem with what they consider a slut or whore raising a child.

The fact that they do all they can to prevent women from having contraceptives, from having any health care, no living wage, no reliable child care and no job security screams it's not about life to those people. They don't give one damn about any life. It's all about making themselves feel superior and punishing women for having sex.

Remember when he said the gig was up? That was priceless. The pro-life folks boxed themselves in with payoffs, ignorance of science, and their false claims about the sanctity of life. They're pro-birth. They could give two shits about life. Look at how they are so eager to sacrifice others to Corona. They make you want to puke.

Yes I remember. I was floored. How he could say that so casually.

All the people who are hurt. All the people they murdered. All the people they scammed money from. All the lives they destroyed.

All the lies and deceptions.

It's all sickening. They are seriously disgusting human beings.

And that is why this anti-abortion crowd stay in the gutter with the same nonsensical arguments. They go round and round like the chickens with the head cut off. Science is not on their side. They cannot determine intelligently, and scientifically when life begins. They just can't. So what do they do? They invent a time table in their heads.

You are really, really ignorant.

No,it's just that you have no intelligent/informative/scientific arguments. That makes you the ignorant one, not me.

I can see that you live in upside-down land, so I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the reality is, scientifically, the baby in the womb is indeed a human being, a member of the human species. Here are a few excerpts from medical textbooks for you. There are many more like this.

​

​

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”​

​

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council​

​

______​

​

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”​

​

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30​

​

______​

​

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D., one of the pioneers of in vitro fertilization:​

​

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; human beings begin at conception.”​

​

From Landrum B. Shettles “Rites of Life: The Scientific Evidence for Life Before Birth” Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1983 p 40​

​

______​

​

Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.​

​

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”​

​

______​

​

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”​

​

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)​

​

______​

​

Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144​

​

“In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”​

​

______​

​

National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), http://www.merriamwebster.com/...​

​

The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.”​

​

Steven Ertelt “Undisputed Scientific Fact: Human Life Begins at Conception, or Fertilization”​

​

______​

​

“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”​

​

Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55​

​

______​

​

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419​

​

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”​

​

______​

​

Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3​

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”​

​

______​

​

​

Lennart Nilsson A Child is Born: Completely Revised Edition (Dell Publishing Co.: New York) 1986​

​

“but the whole story does not begin with delivery. The baby has existed for months before – at first signaling its presence only with small outer signs, later on as a somewhat foreign little being which has been growing and gradually affecting the lives of those close by…”​

​

​

______​

​

​

“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”​

​

Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)​

​

______​

​

Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.​

​

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."​

​

______​

​

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18:​

​

“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”​

There has never been a foundation in science that can definitively define life. Living cells at conception that are multiplying and developing have no basis for confirming life as it relates to a living full person.

What is the nabecause ture of the new cell that comes into existence upon sperm-egg fusion? Most importantly, is the zygote merely another human cell (like a liver cell or a skin cell) or is it something else? Just as science distinguishes between different types of cells, it also makes clear distinctions between cells and organisms. Both cells and organisms are alive, yet organisms exhibit unique characteristics that can reliably distinguish them from mere cells.[2]

A Scientific View of When Life Begins - Lozier Institute

In this paper, Dr. Maureen Condic examines scientific evidence for the point at which it is evident that human life begins.

lozierinstitute.org

So, that is the argument that cannot be answered. Living cells have been with us since the beginning. But the life of an actual organism cannot be decided by science.

You yourself are hijacking the science to your own end.

The difference between conception with sperm-egg as a Zygote can be viewed as a cell, just as a liver or kidney, but cannot be viewed as a living organism, because the living organism exhibits different characteristics other than cells. Therefore, your claim is quickly dismissed. You base your arguments on religion and philosophy. Neither of which have any practical application.

That is absolutely ignorant and foolish. You have no idea what you're talking about. That much is clear.

That's not an argument. That's a surrender to an argument that has no counter argument available for you. The science is crystal clear. The language is crystal clear. It gives a very detailed and understandable explanation how the life at conception has no scientific relationship with your claim.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

The pro-life argument was BS from the beginning?

The entire premise of the decision on Roe v Wade was this purely invented “right to privacy”.

Rehnquist said it best:
To reach its result, the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment. As early as 1821, the first state law dealing directly with abortion was enacted by the Connecticut Legislature. By the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868, there were at least 36 laws enacted by state or territorial legislatures limiting abortion. While many States have amended or updated their laws, 21 of the laws on the books in 1868 remain in effect today.

Obviously you've never read the 4th amendment.

It very clearly says we have the right to our person or body. Which is what Roe V Wade was decided on. The right to privacy with our body.

The part of the 4th amendment that it was decided on:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated


So what you're saying is that the 4th Amendment doesn't apply to women.

Men do get the right to privacy with their body. I have never seen anyone try to pass legislation that prohibits any man from having any medical procedure they want. Nor do they have to go through a waiting period or have to sit through propaganda they don't believe that it's only purpose is to convince them to not have the procedure. Nor do they have to have a totally medically unnecessary probe test which neither he or the doctor wants which he has to pay 100%. I don't see clinics for men being bombed or harassed or people screaming for the man to not go in. I don't see legislatures writing regulations specifically designed to close medical facilities for men.

I have never seen anyone protest to protect a man's right to privacy with their body. Or any thing else for that matter.

Who do you think you are? What makes you think you have any right to say you can take someone's rights from them and violate the constitution?

You don't. Plus, no one gives a rat's ass what you think and want.

If you work and pay taxes, work hard. Pay those taxes. Women need that money to pay for their contraception and for abortions. If you pay federal or state taxes, you're paying for abortions and contraception for women. I hope I that totally pisses you off.

Yup. Nobody ever attempted to violate a male's right to sovereignty over his body. But the anti-choice folks seem to think that women are public property, not people with rights under the Constitution. They also never protest the funding of "ED" medications for men who are not attempting to conceive a child and maybe are having sex with women who are too old to conceive. The sex that they want to have is purely recreational. Where is the scrutiny of this?

A right to privacy doesn’t give someone the right to kill an unborn child.

If men were “controlling” women’s bodies then they could force her to have an abortion when she doesn’t want one. When has that been put into law? Oh it hasn’t, so all this talk about “controlling women’s bodies” is BS.

Ignorant nonsense.

Murder concerns criminal law; the right to privacy civil law – one having nothing to do with the other.

It is neither the role nor responsibility of government to dictate to a woman whether she may have a child or not; the right to privacy safeguards citizens from government excess and overreach with regard to such personal decisions.

Again, no one is forcing a woman to have an abortion, although far leftwing states like China do. Interesting how you people defend China with their forced abortions yet claim you are against government dictating to women if they can have children. Which means you are all full of shit.

Outlawing the killing of human life isn’t anymore of an “overreach” of government anymore than government outlawing rape.

Again, you keep circle jerking over your same failed argument. You still fail to prove anyone is killing a fully developed human being. Why? Because there is no known science out there that identifies a fully developed human being with a functioning brain that uses reason in the womb. Keep circle jerking and you will always go back to where you started.

A fully developed human being is an adult. Can we abort anyone under 25? MANY leftists use this same excuse to kill children under two. Others would extend it to five years old.

 

[BWK]

BWK = gullible Dimm wit.
He saw something on TV, so it must be true!

Failed arguments by attacking the person you failed to beat, means you surrendered. Thanks for the admission.

There should be a 'gullible dweeb' test to keep people like you from voting.

Your surrender and failure is on full display. Plus your non-existent arguments.

 

[BWK]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

The pro-life argument was BS from the beginning?

The entire premise of the decision on Roe v Wade was this purely invented “right to privacy”.

Rehnquist said it best:
To reach its result, the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment. As early as 1821, the first state law dealing directly with abortion was enacted by the Connecticut Legislature. By the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868, there were at least 36 laws enacted by state or territorial legislatures limiting abortion. While many States have amended or updated their laws, 21 of the laws on the books in 1868 remain in effect today.

Obviously you've never read the 4th amendment.

It very clearly says we have the right to our person or body. Which is what Roe V Wade was decided on. The right to privacy with our body.

The part of the 4th amendment that it was decided on:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated


So what you're saying is that the 4th Amendment doesn't apply to women.

Men do get the right to privacy with their body. I have never seen anyone try to pass legislation that prohibits any man from having any medical procedure they want. Nor do they have to go through a waiting period or have to sit through propaganda they don't believe that it's only purpose is to convince them to not have the procedure. Nor do they have to have a totally medically unnecessary probe test which neither he or the doctor wants which he has to pay 100%. I don't see clinics for men being bombed or harassed or people screaming for the man to not go in. I don't see legislatures writing regulations specifically designed to close medical facilities for men.

I have never seen anyone protest to protect a man's right to privacy with their body. Or any thing else for that matter.

Who do you think you are? What makes you think you have any right to say you can take someone's rights from them and violate the constitution?

You don't. Plus, no one gives a rat's ass what you think and want.

If you work and pay taxes, work hard. Pay those taxes. Women need that money to pay for their contraception and for abortions. If you pay federal or state taxes, you're paying for abortions and contraception for women. I hope I that totally pisses you off.

Yup. Nobody ever attempted to violate a male's right to sovereignty over his body. But the anti-choice folks seem to think that women are public property, not people with rights under the Constitution. They also never protest the funding of "ED" medications for men who are not attempting to conceive a child and maybe are having sex with women who are too old to conceive. The sex that they want to have is purely recreational. Where is the scrutiny of this?

A right to privacy doesn’t give someone the right to kill an unborn child.

If men were “controlling” women’s bodies then they could force her to have an abortion when she doesn’t want one. When has that been put into law? Oh it hasn’t, so all this talk about “controlling women’s bodies” is BS.

Ignorant nonsense.

Murder concerns criminal law; the right to privacy civil law – one having nothing to do with the other.

It is neither the role nor responsibility of government to dictate to a woman whether she may have a child or not; the right to privacy safeguards citizens from government excess and overreach with regard to such personal decisions.

Again, no one is forcing a woman to have an abortion, although far leftwing states like China do. Interesting how you people defend China with their forced abortions yet claim you are against government dictating to women if they can have children. Which means you are all full of shit.

Outlawing the killing of human life isn’t anymore of an “overreach” of government anymore than government outlawing rape.

Again, you keep circle jerking over your same failed argument. You still fail to prove anyone is killing a fully developed human being. Why? Because there is no known science out there that identifies a fully developed human being with a functioning brain that uses reason in the womb. Keep circle jerking and you will always go back to where you started.

A fully developed human being is an adult. Can we abort anyone under 25? MANY leftists use this same excuse to kill children under two. Others would extend it to five years old.

Read the science, not the misinformation you invent in your head.

 

[BWK]

The pro-lifers are desperate to invent the narrative to improve their position. Ain't going to happen people. The science is clear. Get over yourselves.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

If you support baby murderer you're just as guilty as those that do it.

Save that no no I just support right to choose. It ain't flying

Sorta like Germans knowing what was happening to Jews....and did absolutely nothing to stop it.

 

[B. Kidd]

BWK = gullible Dimm wit.
He saw something on TV, so it must be true!

Failed arguments by attacking the person you failed to beat, means you surrendered. Thanks for the admission.

There should be a 'gullible dweeb' test to keep people like you from voting.

Your surrender and failure is on full display. Plus your non-existent arguments.

Display this!

JANE ROE, LY'IN HO!!!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Leftists are amusing in a perverse and macabre way. Why are they trying to hide their intentions? They are okay with killing unborn babies. To justify that they simply say it's not human. I don't consider democrats human can we start executing them.

 

[buttercup]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

I recorded the movie and watched it today.

Wow.

Even the anti choice jerk admitted that it was all a scam. He admitted that he used her. He even said a woman has the right to choose.

She lied the whole time.

They used her and she used them.

Wow.

All of the anti choice people have been scammed and manipulated. Just as I've been saying all these years.

They aren't pro life. They have never been pro life.

They have always hated women and always wanted to punish women for having sex. While having no problem with men having sex, making a woman pregnant then walking away without even looking back to see what he has done.

We see it on this board all the time. The woman is a slut or whore. Yet they have no problem with what they consider a slut or whore raising a child.

The fact that they do all they can to prevent women from having contraceptives, from having any health care, no living wage, no reliable child care and no job security screams it's not about life to those people. They don't give one damn about any life. It's all about making themselves feel superior and punishing women for having sex.

Remember when he said the gig was up? That was priceless. The pro-life folks boxed themselves in with payoffs, ignorance of science, and their false claims about the sanctity of life. They're pro-birth. They could give two shits about life. Look at how they are so eager to sacrifice others to Corona. They make you want to puke.

Yes I remember. I was floored. How he could say that so casually.

All the people who are hurt. All the people they murdered. All the people they scammed money from. All the lives they destroyed.

All the lies and deceptions.

It's all sickening. They are seriously disgusting human beings.

And that is why this anti-abortion crowd stay in the gutter with the same nonsensical arguments. They go round and round like the chickens with the head cut off. Science is not on their side. They cannot determine intelligently, and scientifically when life begins. They just can't. So what do they do? They invent a time table in their heads.

You are really, really ignorant.

No,it's just that you have no intelligent/informative/scientific arguments. That makes you the ignorant one, not me.

I can see that you live in upside-down land, so I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the reality is, scientifically, the baby in the womb is indeed a human being, a member of the human species. Here are a few excerpts from medical textbooks for you. There are many more like this.

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“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.”​

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Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council​

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“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”​

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Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30​

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“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D., one of the pioneers of in vitro fertilization:​

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“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; human beings begin at conception.”​

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From Landrum B. Shettles “Rites of Life: The Scientific Evidence for Life Before Birth” Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1983 p 40​

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Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.​

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“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”​

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“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”​

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James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)​

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Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144​

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“In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”​

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National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), http://www.merriamwebster.com/...​

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The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.”​

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Steven Ertelt “Undisputed Scientific Fact: Human Life Begins at Conception, or Fertilization”​

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“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”​

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Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55​

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Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419​

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“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”​

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Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3​

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”​

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Lennart Nilsson A Child is Born: Completely Revised Edition (Dell Publishing Co.: New York) 1986​

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“but the whole story does not begin with delivery. The baby has existed for months before – at first signaling its presence only with small outer signs, later on as a somewhat foreign little being which has been growing and gradually affecting the lives of those close by…”​

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“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”​

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Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)​

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Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.​

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“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."​

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The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18:​

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“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”​

There has never been a foundation in science that can definitively define life. Living cells at conception that are multiplying and developing have no basis for confirming life as it relates to a living full person.

What is the nabecause ture of the new cell that comes into existence upon sperm-egg fusion? Most importantly, is the zygote merely another human cell (like a liver cell or a skin cell) or is it something else? Just as science distinguishes between different types of cells, it also makes clear distinctions between cells and organisms. Both cells and organisms are alive, yet organisms exhibit unique characteristics that can reliably distinguish them from mere cells.[2]

A Scientific View of When Life Begins - Lozier Institute

In this paper, Dr. Maureen Condic examines scientific evidence for the point at which it is evident that human life begins.

lozierinstitute.org

So, that is the argument that cannot be answered. Living cells have been with us since the beginning. But the life of an actual organism cannot be decided by science.

You yourself are hijacking the science to your own end.

The difference between conception with sperm-egg as a Zygote can be viewed as a cell, just as a liver or kidney, but cannot be viewed as a living organism, because the living organism exhibits different characteristics other than cells. Therefore, your claim is quickly dismissed. You base your arguments on religion and philosophy. Neither of which have any practical application.

That is absolutely ignorant and foolish. You have no idea what you're talking about. That much is clear.

That's not an argument. That's a surrender to an argument that has no counter argument available for you. The science is crystal clear. The language is crystal clear. It gives a very detailed and understandable explanation how the life at conception has no scientific relationship with your claim.

It wasn't meant to be an argument, it was a statement. You really don't know what you're talking about. Science is not on your side, sorry. Scientifically, the preborn baby is a brand new human individual, a member of the human species. Only ignorant or dishonest, politically-minded people claim otherwise. You can claim the preborn doesn't qualify as a "person", in your view, (which depends on how one defines person) but you can't claim the preborn is not a human, without looking like an ignorant fool.

 

[Dana7360]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

I recorded the movie and watched it today.

Wow.

Even the anti choice jerk admitted that it was all a scam. He admitted that he used her. He even said a woman has the right to choose.

She lied the whole time.

They used her and she used them.

Wow.

All of the anti choice people have been scammed and manipulated. Just as I've been saying all these years.

They aren't pro life. They have never been pro life.

They have always hated women and always wanted to punish women for having sex. While having no problem with men having sex, making a woman pregnant then walking away without even looking back to see what he has done.

We see it on this board all the time. The woman is a slut or whore. Yet they have no problem with what they consider a slut or whore raising a child.

The fact that they do all they can to prevent women from having contraceptives, from having any health care, no living wage, no reliable child care and no job security screams it's not about life to those people. They don't give one damn about any life. It's all about making themselves feel superior and punishing women for having sex.

Remember when he said the gig was up? That was priceless. The pro-life folks boxed themselves in with payoffs, ignorance of science, and their false claims about the sanctity of life. They're pro-birth. They could give two shits about life. Look at how they are so eager to sacrifice others to Corona. They make you want to puke.

Yes I remember. I was floored. How he could say that so casually.

All the people who are hurt. All the people they murdered. All the people they scammed money from. All the lives they destroyed.

All the lies and deceptions.

It's all sickening. They are seriously disgusting human beings.

And that is why this anti-abortion crowd stay in the gutter with the same nonsensical arguments. They go round and round like the chickens with the head cut off. Science is not on their side. They cannot determine intelligently, and scientifically when life begins. They just can't. So what do they do? They invent a time table in their heads.

They claim that life begins at conception but I always ask them about ectopic pregnancies.

There's only 2 outcomes to that pregnancy,

1. Nothing is done, the woman dies. If the woman is lucky and is able to get to a doctor immediately, she has a chance to live but zero chance to retain or preserve her fertility.

2. An abortion is performed the woman lives.

Life begins when the woman chooses. Period. If she chooses to carry that pregnancy to term great. If she chooses to terminate it, that's her choice.

That's what it comes down to. Men don't make that choice. Men can't control it anymore. That control was taken from them by us women.

They have made it quite clear. They will lie, cheat, scam, deceive, blow up buildings, even murder people to regain that control.

They only understand the science that is convenient to them, to go along with their religious and philosophical beliefs. Their science has never been complete. Sorry, but that isn't going to fly.

It's not a matter of science. It's not a matter of what some religious book says.

There is one and only person or entity who decides if it's life or when it's not.

It's life when we women say It's life.

Those far right radical extremists can scream science or life or anything they want.

All of what they claim is meaningless. It has no basis in fact and reality.

The reality is the down the nitty gritty, it's the woman who says when it's life. It's the woman who says if that pregnancy can continue. It's the woman who controls it. We took that control when we stood up for ourselves. We took a stand.

We won.

We aren't going to go back. Especially when the anti choice movement is based on lies, scams, cheating, deceptions, bombing buildings and murdering people.

We women are the majority in this nation. The republicans on the Supreme Court know that if they actually overturned Roe V Wade, republicans would never be able to win another election again. No matter how much cheating and vote suppression they do. The republicans on that court know they are in the vast minority on this issue in this nation. There will be such a huge revolt from the women and most men in this nation that the conservative movement would be finished. Forever.

Period.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Not that this information will win over the lunatic pro-aborts here, but this sheds some light on their motivation to create this STORY

'AKA Jane Roe' producers have strong pro-abortion bias with ties to Planned Parenthood

The documentary that purportedly claims "Jane Roe" - Norma McCorvey - confessed to being paid to become pro-life should be eyed with suspicion. Here's why.

www.liveaction.org

THEN, Read THIS!

Keeping Track of Possible Supreme Court Abortion Cases - National Organization for Women

President Trump made it perfectly clear that one of his priorities in nominating justices was their likeliness to overturn Roe v. Wade.

now.org

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Documentary reveals 'Jane Roe' of Roe V. Wade was paid to reverse abortion stance

Norma McCorvey, known for years as Jane Roe the plaintiff from one of the most famous Supreme Court cases in history: Roe v. Wade, reveals that she was paid to reverse her stance from pro-choice to anti-abortion by Operation Rescue, now known as Operation Save America, according to a new...

www.msnbc.com

Well now, that changes everything. So no one on the pro-life side ever had anyone to really represent them during Roe vs. Wade. That explains everything. That just means the pro-life argument has been bs from the beginning. And it still is. They knew way back then they would never be able to prove the pro-life argument from a scientific point of view, so they up and paid someone to lie about it, with their instructions. These are such disgusting people. And look at the people these pro-life nuts murdered because of lies and payoffs.

I recorded the movie and watched it today.

Wow.

Even the anti choice jerk admitted that it was all a scam. He admitted that he used her. He even said a woman has the right to choose.

She lied the whole time.

They used her and she used them.

Wow.

All of the anti choice people have been scammed and manipulated. Just as I've been saying all these years.

They aren't pro life. They have never been pro life.

They have always hated women and always wanted to punish women for having sex. While having no problem with men having sex, making a woman pregnant then walking away without even looking back to see what he has done.

We see it on this board all the time. The woman is a slut or whore. Yet they have no problem with what they consider a slut or whore raising a child.

The fact that they do all they can to prevent women from having contraceptives, from having any health care, no living wage, no reliable child care and no job security screams it's not about life to those people. They don't give one damn about any life. It's all about making themselves feel superior and punishing women for having sex.

Remember when he said the gig was up? That was priceless. The pro-life folks boxed themselves in with payoffs, ignorance of science, and their false claims about the sanctity of life. They're pro-birth. They could give two shits about life. Look at how they are so eager to sacrifice others to Corona. They make you want to puke.

Yes I remember. I was floored. How he could say that so casually.

All the people who are hurt. All the people they murdered. All the people they scammed money from. All the lives they destroyed.

All the lies and deceptions.

It's all sickening. They are seriously disgusting human beings.

And that is why this anti-abortion crowd stay in the gutter with the same nonsensical arguments. They go round and round like the chickens with the head cut off. Science is not on their side. They cannot determine intelligently, and scientifically when life begins. They just can't. So what do they do? They invent a time table in their heads.

They claim that life begins at conception but I always ask them about ectopic pregnancies.

There's only 2 outcomes to that pregnancy,

1. Nothing is done, the woman dies. If the woman is lucky and is able to get to a doctor immediately, she has a chance to live but zero chance to retain or preserve her fertility.

2. An abortion is performed the woman lives.

Life begins when the woman chooses. Period. If she chooses to carry that pregnancy to term great. If she chooses to terminate it, that's her choice.

That's what it comes down to. Men don't make that choice. Men can't control it anymore. That control was taken from them by us women.

They have made it quite clear. They will lie, cheat, scam, deceive, blow up buildings, even murder people to regain that control.

They only understand the science that is convenient to them, to go along with their religious and philosophical beliefs. Their science has never been complete. Sorry, but that isn't going to fly.

It's not a matter of science. It's not a matter of what some religious book says.

There is one and only person or entity who decides if it's life or when it's not.

It's life when we women say It's life.

Those far right radical extremists can scream science or life or anything they want.

All of what they claim is meaningless. It has no basis in fact and reality.

The reality is the down the nitty gritty, it's the woman who says when it's life. It's the woman who says if that pregnancy can continue. It's the woman who controls it. We took that control when we stood up for ourselves. We took a stand.

We won.

We aren't going to go back. Especially when the anti choice movement is based on lies, scams, cheating, deceptions, bombing buildings and murdering people.

We women are the majority in this nation. The republicans on the Supreme Court know that if they actually overturned Roe V Wade, republicans would never be able to win another election again. No matter how much cheating and vote suppression they do. The republicans on that court know they are in the vast minority on this issue in this nation. There will be such a huge revolt from the women and most men in this nation that the conservative movement would be finished. Forever.

Period.

Won what. Abortion has claimed more lives than the Holocaust.

You'll be judged.