So Trumps flip flopping on Ukraine funding already

[struth]

Sheesh, really? Trump, unlike Biden, has gotten Putin to the negotiating table for serious talks on ending the war, and this is your response?

You pounce on a single comment made in anger during tense negotiations.

You care more about attacking Trump than about honorably ending the war in Ukraine. You care more about attacking Trump than about preserving American freedom and democracy.

The dembots don’t want to end the violence.

 

[YoursTruly]

The funding for the war is his leverage. It was always going to be a card to play.


Liberals are pretending to not understand...anything.

If Ukraine still gets funding, you Trumpbots will use words like "leverage."
Us fiscal conservatives will use words like:

"WE CAN'T AFFORD IT."
We're $36 trillion in debt
It's none of our business
We'll be sending them borrowed money, that we'll also be paying the interest on
Trump promised to end the war. Not fund it.
Minerals are a free market thing.

^^^Things like that.

 

[YoursTruly]

Sheesh, really? Trump, unlike Biden, has gotten Putin to the negotiating table for serious talks on ending the war, and this is your response?

You pounce on a single comment made in anger during tense negotiations.

You care more about attacking Trump than about honorably ending the war in Ukraine. You care more about attacking Trump than about preserving American freedom and democracy.

Apparently you don't care if the war ends or not. Nor do you care if Trump continues to fund it.
Biden didn't say he was going end the war before Trump takes office. Trump did.

Why you simps don't hold Trump accountable for anything, is a mystery. Same as the Biden supporters.
You're two wings of one fucked up bird.

 

[Correll]

If Ukraine still gets funding, you Trumpbots will use words like "leverage."
Us fiscal conservatives will use words like:

"WE CAN'T AFFORD IT."
We're $36 trillion in debt
It's none of our business
We'll be sending them borrowed money, that we'll also be paying the interest on
Trump promised to end the war. Not fund it.
Minerals are a free market thing.

^^^Things like that.

Nope. If Ukraine gets funding to fight, I will assume it is because Putin is refusing to give Trump what he wants.


If Ukraine gets cut off, or reduced, I will assume it is because Zelinski is not giving Trump what he wants.

 

[YoursTruly]

Trump isn't conservative.

Apparently neither are most of his supporters. This is why he IS a RINO. A better acronym would be CINO. But CINO doesn't make a good cartoon.

Trump gets republicans excited about his new found conservatism. Spending cuts, cutting the size and scope of government. Weeding out waste and fraud. That's what most of them voted for him for. And now, he's starting to look like the same old liberal Republican from 2016. The same one that spent $8 trillion in just 4 years.

 

[YoursTruly]

Nope. If Ukraine gets funding to fight, I will assume it is because Putin is refusing to give Trump what he wants.


If Ukraine gets cut off, or reduced, I will assume it is because Zelinski is not giving Trump what he wants.

You'll never even consider that Trump simply lied about any of this. That he's not the grand deal maker. And more importantly, that the war is none of our business. And we can't afford to send any country any aid because we're paying $1 trillion just in interest alone on the money we owe.

 

[pknopp]

Apparently neither are most of his supporters. This is why he IS a RINO. A better acronym would be CINO. But CINO doesn't make a good cartoon.

Trump gets republicans excited about his new found conservatism. Spending cuts, cutting the size and scope of government. Weeding out waste and fraud. That's what most of them voted for him for. And now, he's starting to look like the same old liberal Republican from 2016. The same one that spent $8 trillion in just 4 years.

There may be 7-8 Conservative Republicans and they will likely cave.

 

[YoursTruly]

Where was your indignation when Biden and the democrats were sending hundreds of billions of $$$ in cash and materiel to that dictator? Guess you didn't mind as long as the big guy got his 10%, eh? Screw that war. Cease all funding and let them fight it out amongst themselves. I have no ***** to give.

This ain't about Biden. Biden is gone now. Let him goooooo !!!!!!!!

 

[Correll]

Apparently neither are most of his supporters. This is why he IS a RINO. A better acronym would be CINO. But CINO doesn't make a good cartoon.

Trump gets republicans excited about his new found conservatism. Spending cuts, cutting the size and scope of government. Weeding out waste and fraud. That's what most of them voted for him for. And now, he's starting to look like the same old liberal Republican from 2016. The same one that spent $8 trillion in just 4 years.

REpublicans and conservatives are not the same word for a reason.

BUT, both are united in that we want to improve or advance AMERICA and AMERICAN interests.

ConseratIivism and the republican party BOTH, are TOOLS to serve AMERICA and American interests and ideals.


CONSERVATIVISM, has taken a beating with the failure of FREE TRADE/GLOBALISM POLICY.

And it is struggling to find itself.

The republican party was also, pretty lost there for a bit, with the end of hte cold war.


MAGA is the answer of the base. Trump notice us being ignored and decided to make a deal with US. And we accepted.


Did I mention, MAGA BABY!!!

 

[Correll]

You'll never even consider that Trump simply lied about any of this.

Lie? To what end? His stated motive makes complete sense.

That he's not the grand deal maker.

He doesn't need to be. He has tremendous leverage over both of them. Russia is being bled to death. Ukraine is completely dependent on our support.

And more importantly, that the war is none of our business. And we can't afford to send any country any aid because we're paying $1 trillion just in interest alone on the money we owe.

Those would have been great points to bring up before we got completely involved. Unfortunately we have not had a real debate on a new foreign policy since the end of the cold war.

Now, we have MADE it our business. So, we need to get a decent ending.

 

[YoursTruly]

REpublicans and conservatives are not the same word for a reason.

I'm a conservative. I support ONLY conservatives. Because it was conservatism that made this country great to start with.

People thought Trump was suddenly a conservative. But it's looking like he's the same ole RINO we had the first time.

BUT, both are united in that we want to improve or advance AMERICA and AMERICAN interests.

ConseratIivism and the republican party BOTH, are TOOLS to serve AMERICA and American interests and ideals.


CONSERVATIVISM, has taken a beating with the failure of FREE TRADE/GLOBALISM POLICY.

And it is struggling to find itself.

The republican party was also, pretty lost there for a bit, with the end of hte cold war.

The GOP and conservatives are united? It was only 2 months ago, that Trump was threatening to primary one of THE most conservative congressmen we have right now. Chip Roy. And for what? Because Chip Roy wanted more spending cuts in the last CR.

We're going to see just how "united" the conservatives and Republicans are next month, when the CR comes back up.

And I'm sure there will be some spending cuts in it. But it'll still be way over budget. There'll still waste and fraud built into it. And you Trump supporters won't even care. You'll just brag about the supposed spending cuts.
Which is nothing new. Because that's what Republicans have always done. Talk about how much money they saved the American people with a spending bill, while the national debt, deficit, debt ceiling continues to grow.

MAGA is the answer of the base. Trump notice us being ignored and decided to make a deal with US. And we accepted.


Did I mention, MAGA BABY!!!

MAGA is a campaign slogan.

 

[pknopp]

Lie? To what end? His stated motive makes complete sense.




He doesn't need to be. He has tremendous leverage over both of them. Russia is being bled to death. Ukraine is completely dependent on our support.



Those would have been great points to bring up before we got completely involved. Unfortunately we have not had a real debate on a new foreign policy since the end of the cold war.

Now, we have MADE it our business. So, we need to get a decent ending.

No matter what happens now, Ukraine, Russia and the United States have all lost and that is the only possible outcome.

 

[YoursTruly]

No matter what happens now, Ukraine, Russia and the United States have all lost and that is the only possible outcome.

Russia and Ukraine will come up with their own agreement.

 

[pknopp]

Russia and Ukraine will come up with their own agreement.

I doubt it unless Ukraine agrees to what Russia simply asked for before the war started. No NATO membership.

 

[YoursTruly]

I doubt it unless Ukraine agrees to what Russia simply asked for before the war started. No NATO membership.

It's not going to be long now, the Ukraine citizens are going to rise up against zelensky.

For the life of me, I don't understand why Russia, if it's such a super power, hasn't already won this war. Why do they keep pussyfooting around with Ukraine?

 

[Correll]

I'm a conservative. I support ONLY conservatives. Because it was conservatism that made this country great to start with.

The FREE TRADE conservative policy failed. And instead of having a real debate about how to respond the party elite just wanted to continue business as usual and shouted down those that wanted debate.

So, who or what was the supposed "Conservative" answer in 2016? Jeb Bush?

People thought Trump was suddenly a conservative. But it's looking like he's the same ole RINO we had the first time.

I'mnot sure what you mean here. Plenty of people were concerned that he didn't have a record, but then were pleased with a lot of his administration.

The GOP and conservatives are united? It was only 2 months ago, that Trump was threatening to primary one of THE most conservative congressmen we have right now. Chip Roy. And for what? Because Chip Roy wanted more spending cuts in the last CR.

I was clear that they were "united in wanting to advance America".

That way you misunderstood my point, to thus avoid addressing my point and then instead attacked me on the strawman created by your misunderstanding?

That looks like the behavior of a lefty. ...

We're going to see just how "united" the conservatives and Republicans are next month, when the CR comes back up.

And I'm sure there will be some spending cuts in it. But it'll still be way over budget. There'll still waste and fraud built into it. And you Trump supporters won't even care. You'll just brag about the supposed spending cuts.
Which is nothing new. Because that's what Republicans have always done. Talk about how much money they saved the American people with a spending bill, while the national debt, deficit, debt ceiling continues to grow.

The last time there was ANY movement on the budget was when newt gingrich and clinton split the government and both side's desire to spend were cock blocked by the other.

Your pretense that this is a valid issue with regards to TRUMP; vs...anyone else, is


silly.

MAGA is a campaign slogan.

Yes, a great one, built on a great idea. And an imporant realization. That we have fucked up enough that we are not CURRENTLY great, as is our birthright to be.

 

[Correll]

No matter what happens now, Ukraine, Russia and the United States have all lost and that is the only possible outcome.

Correct. This war was a disaster for everyone.

And the longer it goes on, the worse for everyone.


So.....

 

[pknopp]

It's not going to be long now, the Ukraine citizens are going to rise up against zelensky.

For the life of me, I don't understand why Russia, if it's such a super power, hasn't already won this war. Why do they keep pussyfooting around with Ukraine?

I imagine for much the same reason we spun our wheels in Afghanistan for 20 years.

 

[pknopp]

Correct. This war was a disaster for everyone.

And the longer it goes on, the worse for everyone.


So.....

So?

 

[Correll]

So?

So, I hope for a speedy end. Also, i am sorry it happened at all.


I hope that the stupid europeans fully fund the rebuilding in Ukraine.