So Trumps flip flopping on Ukraine funding already

[pknopp]

So, I hope for a speedy end. Also, i am sorry it happened at all.


I hope that the stupid europeans fully fund the rebuilding in Ukraine.

I had hopes for that but the last few days have greatly tempered that. That's one of the problems with Trump.

 

[Correll]

I had hopes for that but the last few days have greatly tempered that. That's one of the problems with Trump.

With Trump?

Trump is the only one pushing for a peaceful end to this. Putin is certainly not making the moves. Zelinski wasn't. Eruope is happy to see Russia bleed, no matter the cost is ukrainian lives. Ditto with a lot of Americans.


If not Trump, then who?

 

[pknopp]

With Trump?

Trump is the only one pushing for a peaceful end to this.

Saying he would continue to fund it as long as Ukraine hands over it's wealth is not how you end it.

Putin is certainly not making the moves. Zelinski wasn't. Eruope is happy to see Russia bleed, no matter the cost is ukrainian lives. Ditto with a lot of Americans.


If not Trump, then who?

Trump could. He initially had the right idea. "Come to an agreement because we are no longer going to fund this war".

 

[Seymour Flops]

No new war under Trump? He tried to start 2 wars. And he didn't end 1 war. Not one.

So, no new war under Trump.

And trying to tie me up as a Biden supporter is just as lame as not holding Trump accountable.

We've always had a few "oh, but I'm not a Democrat either," type Trump bashers on this forum. Clearly fake. They pretend not to be Democrats to try to keep the focus on ORANGE MAN BAD!

But with the disgrace of the last four years, they have multiplied since the election.

 

[j-mac]

Apparently you don't care if the war ends or not. Nor do you care if Trump continues to fund it.
Biden didn't say he was going end the war before Trump takes office. Trump did.

Why you simps don't hold Trump accountable for anything, is a mystery. Same as the Biden supporters.
You're two wings of one fucked up bird.

Quit ******* crying....You lost.

I did a pretty extensive search, and you know what I found? Or more accurately what I couldn't find? And that was any post by you criticizing the Biden administration. So, you have zero credibility when you cry about us "not holding Trump accountable"...What a joke....

What you and your fellow travelers don't seem to understand, is that not only was Trump elected to do exactly this, but if we are to continue as the strongest nation on earth, we need to get our house in order...We are in a financial crisis in this country, and don't have the means to continue to be the worlds dummy anymore....And this is just you not wanting to change that trajectory, even if it destroys the nation.

You know what that makes you right?

 

[Seymour Flops]

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/26/1089014039/biden-says-of-putin-for-gods-sake-this-man-cannot-remain-in-power

How'd the tough talk work out for Biden and Zelensky?

When something doesn't work for years on end, it's time to try something else.

 

[j-mac]

Saying he would continue to fund it as long as Ukraine hands over it's wealth is not how you end it.




Trump could. He initially had the right idea. "Come to an agreement because we are no longer going to fund this war".

First I think most American's agree that we shouldn't be funding this war any longer. Second, that Trump comes up with a way to have America paid back for their support in some way is bad to you? Why?

 

[Correll]

Saying he would continue to fund it as long as Ukraine hands over it's wealth is not how you end it.

Asking for some benefit to America for the aid we have already given, is a reasonable and normal move for an American president.

The aid was obviously going to continue to flow until PUtin agrees to a deal.

Trump could. He initially had the right idea. "Come to an agreement because we are no longer going to fund this war".

YOu are attacking him. Yet, he is the only one pushing peace. YOu sure you don't want to attack teh people attacking him, for their pro-war policies and agendas?

I agree with you that the war is bad and needs to end asap.

This site is full of lefties that want the war to continue for various justifications, yet you are here trying to spam anti-trump points while he is hte only hope for peace.

 

[j-mac]

I had hopes for that but the last few days have greatly tempered that. That's one of the problems with Trump.

So, we have to continue to be the worlds checkbook, otherwise we're bad? **** that.

 

[pknopp]

First I think most American's agree that we shouldn't be funding this war any longer. Second, that Trump comes up with a way to have America paid back for their support in some way is bad to you? Why?

Because it's NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. If we had taken that position from the beginning there is no war. If we take it now, there is no war.

 

[pknopp]

Asking for some benefit to America for the aid we have already given,

Not interested in your spin.

 

[j-mac]

Because it's NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. If we had taken that position from the beginning there is no war. If we take it now, there is no war.

Nope, sorry. It doesn't work that way. You want us to be isolationist, but at the same time drop our pants to any request for money...Is that how you run your own life?

 

[TimFitz]

Listen junior, if you kept up you've seen my post of NOT MY COUNTRIES, NOT MY WAR. I've seen you saber rattling POSs that play games with our young people's lives too many times to count. You also fail to realize that there was no new war under Trump the first time around. Your buddy Biden is responsible and yeah, dooooood, it is about Biden and you and the rest of the fools that voted for the globalist, anti American democrats.

“NOT MY COUNTRIES, NOT MY WAR. `’

A ringing cry for short sighted myopic isolationism.

A policy that failed this country spectacularly.

And a betrayal of everything we achieved in WWII.

 

[Natural Citizen]

“NOT MY COUNTRIES, NOT MY WAR. `’

A ringing cry for short sighted myopic isolationism.

No, that's not isolationism, Timbo.

That's non-intervention.

Technically the warmongering imperialist warmongers are the isolationists.

Just have to step back a bit and see the world through a wider lens to understand that. It's a choice to do so, though...unfortunately...

 

[TimFitz]

He cares more about attacking trump than the lives of innocent ukrainian civilians, including women and children.


The left as a whole does. As they demonstrate daily with their willingness to undermine the peace effort for partisan gain.

Ther is no peace effort.

Trump is flailing around in Saudi Arabia.

The Russians won’t take his deal, and neither will Ukraine.

I’m sure Lavrov is eating Rubio for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

 

[TimFitz]

No, that's not isolationism, Timbo.

That's non-intervention.

Technically the warmongering imperialist warmongers are the isolationists.

It was a pure declaration of isolationism.

Walking away from our values and allies is also betrayal. Both of our allies and our own values.

You can can this phony Trumpster BS about “warmongers”.

That;s nothing more than a Trumpster fake projection.

 

[Correll]

Ther is no peace effort.

Trump is flailing around in Saudi Arabia.

The Russians won’t take his deal, and neither will Ukraine.

I’m sure Lavrov is eating Rubio for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

I mean, there clearly is a peace effort. So, that's a lie.


It could fail. If either or both PUtin and zelinski refuse to budge.


I would consider that a tradegy.


YOu seem to want that.

 

[j-mac]

“NOT MY COUNTRIES, NOT MY WAR. `’

A ringing cry for short sighted myopic isolationism.

A policy that failed this country spectacularly.

And a betrayal of everything we achieved in WWII.

You mean a founding principle that has long been forgotten, and now we find ourselves squandering our wealth for the leeches of the world....

 

[pknopp]

It was a pure declaration of isolationism.

Walking away from our values and allies is also betrayal. Both of our allies and our own values.

You can can this phony Trumpster BS about “warmongers”.

That;s nothing more than a Trumpster fake projection.

Our values caused us to agree to no expansion of NATO eastward to get Russia to remove it's nuclear weapons.

Values would cause one to continue to agree to that.

If we had done that, there is no war.

Kinda ironic isn't it? Zelensky argues he wants to join NATO to keep from being invaded and destroyed and it caused Ukraine to get attacked and destroyed.

I would hold a different opinion if Zelensky had never brought up joining NATO and Russia still invaded.

 

[Seymour Flops]

“NOT MY COUNTRIES, NOT MY WAR. `’

A ringing cry for short sighted myopic isolationism.

A policy that failed this country spectacularly.

And a betrayal of everything we achieved in WWII.

Are you serious?

At the end of WWII, after having collaborated with the Nazis, Ukraine was taken into the Soviet Union by Russia. Is that part of what "we achieved in WWII?"

We saved the western part of Europe from the Nazis. We saved the eastern part also, only to give them to a nation equally as totalitarian.