JoeB131
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When did this happen?
Welcome to the real world of business.
Yes, it's silly. Hunter Biden is a private citizen. None of the people he did business with are complaining.
Smoking gun? 2015 emails from laptop reveal ‘ultimate purpose’ of Hunter Biden's connection to Burisma
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When did this happen?
Welcome to the real world of business.
Yes, it's silly. Hunter Biden is a private citizen. None of the people he did business with are complaining.
JoeB131
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If you are talking about the firing of Shokin, it wasn't Biden.
It was the US Congress (including Republicans)
The EU
The IMF
All said he had to go.
Cougarbear
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Well, criminals usually don't complain to the law, do they? As long as both sides of criminality get what they want, they stay silent. Exactly what the Biden Mafia is doing and has been for years, maybe decades. Mostly since Joey became Vice President and could extort from other countries. Because some in business act inappropriately doesn't mean it is right and legal. Only those with criminal minds would think that.
Cougarbear
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What are you talking about? Joe was caught on tape saying that Obama wouldn't pay the Ukraine money unless Shokin was fired. The very same prosecutor going after Hunter Biden and his co-conspirators. That includes Joe. Video and audio tape.
Nothing about Republicans. Stop lying.
JoeB131
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Oh, please. First, you guys have yet to prove anything "Criminal" happened, other than Hunter didn't fill out his tax forms correctly. (And he almost definitely didn't fill out his own taxes.)
Secondly, can you actually show something that the Ukraine or China got for all this money they paid? Last time I checked, the VP had no actual power. His only jobs are to 1) Preside over the Senate, 2) Attend Funerals and 3) Wait for the President to die. How did Hunter supposedly benefit from any of those things?
Except Shokin wasn't going after Hunter, and he was fired because he was notoriously corrupt. It wasn't just Obama who wanted him gone. So did the IMF and the EU.
Cougarbear
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You didn't listen? He got the Ukraine investigator on Barisma fired to hide Hunter's work. And, for doing so, Ukraine got a billion dollars approved by then President Obama. He extorted them to hide his business in the transaction as well. Now, Biden is fighting a war through Ukraine against Russia. Why? Uggg...What is wrong with you Democrats. It's right in front of your nose. Then, there are the trips to China with his Son for business dealing.
What does the evidence show that is illegal by Hunter??? What indicates criminal behavior where the Doj would need investigating???
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Yes, he did do that, and he's bragging about it because it was a great feat for the USA and President Obama's policy and our ally's policy....because their general prosecutor Shokin, was corrupt and was NOT investigating and prosecuting the corrupt Oligarchs.... nor Burisma's owner for its 2010-2012 corruption.
(He and) his prosecutors were paid off by the corrupt Oligarchs, with loose diamonds, to not investigate them, and his prosecutors were caught red handed with the loose diamond payoff.... Shokin wiggled out of prosecuting his corrupt prosecutors and the Ukrainian people got extremely fed up and pissed and protested in the streets, and finally, the following Feb/March Shokin resigned....
but then Shokin would not leave, so the Ukrainian Parliament had to take a vote and remove him, and Shokin escaped to Russia and retired there. Joe Biden threat to Ukraine was in a meeting in early December, the year before Parliament finally expelled Shokin....
Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia
Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held.[19][20][21] On 2 November 2015, there was an assassination attempt against him when an unidentified sniper fired three shots into his office, but was foiled by the bulletproof glass window.[22] In response to a query from Ukrainian News Agency in late 2019, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) acknowledged that it is continuing to investigate the attempted assassination of Shokin.[23]
Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office.[24][25][26]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin#cite_note-29 His defenders nonetheless argued that he played an important role "balancing competing political interests".[28] His Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, announced his resignation on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office.[29] Shokin was also criticized in Ukraine for failing to prosecute snipers who killed demonstrators during the revolution, as well as for failing to investigate corrupt businesses.[30]
On 16 February 2016, Shokin submitted a letter of resignation,[31] although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated, "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave".[32] On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin.[33]
On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work.[8] On the same day, his office carried out a raid against one of Ukraine's leading anti-corruption groups, the Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), claiming that it had misappropriated aid money.[21] AntAC was a frequent critic of the Prosecutor General's Office under Shokin.[34] In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors".[35]
On 28 March, protesters called for Shokin's firing, after his office was authorized by a Kyiv court to investigate AntAC.[21][36] Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016.[37] The European Union praised Shokin's dismissal due to a "lack of tangible results" of his office's investigations, and also because people in Shokin's office were themselves being investigated.[10] Following his dismissal Shokin went into retirement.[38]
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U.S. officials criticize Ukraine’s prosecutors for failure of reforms – The Ukrainian Weekly
KYIV – High-ranking U.S. officials have targeted the Procurator General’s Office of Ukraine for criticism in recent weeks for actively obstructing government
www.ukrweekly.com
Ukraine corruption probe finds diamonds, cash, Kalashnikov
Two high-ranking Ukrainian judicial officials have been detained on suspicion of corruption and a large quantity of diamonds, $400,000 in cash and a Kalashnikov were found during raids on their homes, Ukraine's SBU security service said on Monday.
www.reuters.com
Cougarbear
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There’s an old Chinese proverb, more words count less. In other words, nice try but…he was investigating Barisma and Hunter Biden along with the corrupt Biden mafia. Achman’s Razor. That was shut up money or you don’t get the billion dollars. Why else did Biden get us into a war with Russia?Yes, he did do that, and he's bragging about it because it was a great feat for the USA and President Obama's policy and our ally's policy....because their general prosecutor Shokin, was corrupt and was NOT investigating and prosecuting the corrupt Oligarchs.... nor Burisma's owner for its 2010-2012 corruption.
(He and) his prosecutors were paid off by the corrupt Oligarchs, with loose diamonds, to not investigate them, and his prosecutors were caught red handed with the loose diamond payoff.... Shokin wiggled out of prosecuting his corrupt prosecutors and the Ukrainian people got extremely fed up and pissed and protested in the streets, and finally, the following Feb/March Shokin resigned....
but then Shokin would not leave, so the Ukrainian Parliament had to take a vote and remove him, and Shokin escaped to Russia and retired there. Joe Biden threat to Ukraine was in a meeting in early December, the year before Parliament finally expelled Shokin....
Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held.[19][20][21] On 2 November 2015, there was an assassination attempt against him when an unidentified sniper fired three shots into his office, but was foiled by the bulletproof glass window.[22] In response to a query from Ukrainian News Agency in late 2019, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) acknowledged that it is continuing to investigate the attempted assassination of Shokin.[23]
Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office.[24][25][26]Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia His defenders nonetheless argued that he played an important role "balancing competing political interests".[28] His Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, announced his resignation on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office.[29] Shokin was also criticized in Ukraine for failing to prosecute snipers who killed demonstrators during the revolution, as well as for failing to investigate corrupt businesses.[30]
On 16 February 2016, Shokin submitted a letter of resignation,[31] although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated, "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave".[32] On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin.[33]
On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work.[8] On the same day, his office carried out a raid against one of Ukraine's leading anti-corruption groups, the Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), claiming that it had misappropriated aid money.[21] AntAC was a frequent critic of the Prosecutor General's Office under Shokin.[34] In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors".[35]
On 28 March, protesters called for Shokin's firing, after his office was authorized by a Kyiv court to investigate AntAC.[21][36] Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016.[37] The European Union praised Shokin's dismissal due to a "lack of tangible results" of his office's investigations, and also because people in Shokin's office were themselves being investigated.[10] Following his dismissal Shokin went into retirement.[38]
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U.S. officials criticize Ukraine’s prosecutors for failure of reforms – The Ukrainian Weekly
KYIV – High-ranking U.S. officials have targeted the Procurator General’s Office of Ukraine for criticism in recent weeks for actively obstructing government
Ukraine corruption probe finds diamonds, cash, Kalashnikov
Two high-ranking Ukrainian judicial officials have been detained on suspicion of corruption and a large quantity of diamonds, $400,000 in cash and a Kalashnikov were found during raids on their homes, Ukraine's SBU security service said on Monday.
This is just a dumb question, but can you post at least ONE of these emails. How do you know these emails exist when you have never seen them?The emails are now proven to be authentic and true. Your "Big Guy" is a criminal and an international thug. Yet, you complain about what a meanie Trump is.
j-mac
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What does it matter who appointed whom anymore…History shows that appointees often disappoint….Barr has shown himself to be just another closet liberal bureaucrat when the chips are down….
j-mac
Nuthin' but the truth
The NYTimes had to admit they were real dummy….Can you prove they were faked?
JoeB131
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Uh, i did listen. He didn't mention Hunter or Bursima at all. Biden had no authority to withhold that billion dollars unless the IMF, EU and US backed his play, which they all did because Shokin was corrupt.
Yes, everyone who doesn't drink the orange Koolaid is a "closet liberal"
Has it ever occurred to you that Trump is the guy who is messed up?
Post 2 of them shithead.
Cougarbear
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Why would you suppose I haven’t seen them? Just because I make you do some homework instead of relying on CNN and the Washington Compost?
Cougarbear
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If you knew anything about this subject you would know Hunter was the sales boss for Barisma and it was the investigator that Biden wanted fired in that clip who was investigating Barisma. Why would Joe care if his son wasn’t the focus of the investigation. And, Hunter was 100% involved with Barisma and the investigation. You won’t know that watching CNN or other communist media outlets. Try Fox and right wing radio and you will have more information. But, you are an ideologue to the New World Order of tyranny.
JoeB131
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Dude, you can't even spell the name of the company right.
Hunter was not the "Sales boss" for Bursima, he was a consultant that provided corporate governance advice to comply with US and other laws
The guy Biden got fired wasn't investigating Bursima, and he was removed because his two top deputies were caught with millions of dollars in foreign currency and diamonds in their homes.
Cougarbear
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Drinking the Kool-Aid. If you believe that, why would Biden want the guy fired for catching corruption? You don’t even make sense. Unless Biden is corrupt. Either way, you proved my point.
The fact is, more has just come out today that Dad and Son were paid $10 million dollars because of Burisma and the guy fired.
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