Should Young Minorities Be Allowed To Buy Guns ?

[WinterBorn]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

Cruz had felony convictions prior to his shooting spree? Do you have a link? I did a Google search and found nothing.

 

[WinterBorn]

Still there is a federal law that bans those who have been convicted of certain crimes from ever possessing firearms which does include domestic violence offenses.

Texas, Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law.


Montana is considered a restorative state, meaning under the Montana Constitution, felons who have completed their sentences and probationary periods have their rights restored — and technically can do things that regular citizens do, including possess a firearm and vote

Alaska - Ten years after completing felony probation, the state no longer bans felons from possessing firearms.
Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun. There is no requirement to register any firearm with the state of Alaska.

yet State laws say differently

But with Obama's Promise Program, young minorities like Nicolas Cruz can buy guns ANYTIME, with gun sellers unaware of their criminal background.

Liberal Obama supporters cry out for background checks, but then say nothing when their hero devises a program obliterating these checks, and one of the kids protected, goes out and shoots 34 people, killing 17 of them.

The Broward County Promise Program did not involve any federal agencies or departments, including President Obama.

 

[LuckyDuck]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

I am 100% pro-gun and firmly believe that the Second Amendment gives us the right to own firearms. But...minorities being allowed to purchase firearms....absolutely NOT! I have no problem with youths learning the use of them at firing ranges and on farms, so that should someone with evil intent breaks into their home, they can defend themselves with the firearm, rather than become a victim. But, to go out and be able to just up and buy a gun is absurd. The pre-frontal cortex (reason and rational thinking) isn't fully developed in young people until after their teen years, so it's best to have some restrictions in place on them.

Looking back at my post, I see a gross misspelling which completely alters the tone to a darker racist one which is wrong. While typing I misspelled minors and typed minorities. Sorry about that. Any and all minorities that are not criminals can indeed purchase firearms, unless they are MINORS.

 

[S.J.]

Minorities, as a percentage, commit most of the violent crimes in America. That is a fact. Why let them have guns?

Because it is in the Constitution?

So anyone convicted of a violent crime using a firearm should be allowed to own guns?

That may be what you meant but that that is not what you said. Do you want to keep guns away from anyone convicted of a violent crime using a firearm or from minorities no matter what their criminal record since they commit most of the violent crimes in America?

I'm using the same logic as the left. A lot of restrictions have been put on the second amendment, the vast majority of them by the left, and the vast majority of them aimed at law abiding citizens. Dems like to use the argument of "potential crimes" and "predisposition to criminal behavior" based on statistics and anything else they can cite. The one thing they always conspicuously leave out, however, is the gun violence in the black community. I'm pointing out their inconsistencies and hypocrisy. If they were consistent in their logic they would be against blacks being allowed to own firearms but that would not serve them well politically, which is what is important to them. But just to be clear, I support the second amendment for ALL legal citizens (except the ones who like to kill people).

 

[Montrovant]

Let me make sure I'm understanding the premise here. You don't want people with criminal records to be able to buy guns (What sort of criminal record, by the way? You don't specify), so you think young minorities should be prevented from buying guns? Is that it?

What's so hard ? Read the TITLE of the OP.

I just want to confirm what you're trying to say before I comment. It's a bit hard to understand why, if your problem is with criminals buying guns, you'd limit a ban to young minorities. It makes it seem that you are really concerned with minorities rather than criminals.

That's not taking into account the absurdity of the idea that one might successfully ban only minorities from owning guns, of course.

Did you read the OP ? Never comment in a thread without reading the OP, and understanding it fully.

All that you're asking about is in the OP (Promise Program , Nicolas Cruz, etc).

Yes, I read the OP. I also read the title you made for the thread. The OP doesn't explain why you'd want to specifically prevent young minorities from owning guns, rather than just criminals. And of course, the thread title doesn't mention criminals at all, just young minorities. So again, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying. Do you oppose young minorities being able to purchase guns? Do you only oppose criminals being able to purchase guns? Do you think all young minorities are criminals? Is there a reason you seem hesitant to make such clarifications?

 

[protectionist]

Still there is a federal law that bans those who have been convicted of certain crimes from ever possessing firearms which does include domestic violence offenses.

Texas, Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law.


Montana is considered a restorative state, meaning under the Montana Constitution, felons who have completed their sentences and probationary periods have their rights restored — and technically can do things that regular citizens do, including possess a firearm and vote

Alaska - Ten years after completing felony probation, the state no longer bans felons from possessing firearms.
Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun. There is no requirement to register any firearm with the state of Alaska.

yet State laws say differently

But with Obama's Promise Program, young minorities like Nicolas Cruz can buy guns ANYTIME, with gun sellers unaware of their criminal background.

Liberal Obama supporters cry out for background checks, but then say nothing when their hero devises a program obliterating these checks, and one of the kids protected, goes out and shoots 34 people, killing 17 of them.

Sorry you just reading to many right wing sites. The program that you referred to was being pushed as an obama initiative but in reality it was a local program

Broward County, Florida program called PROMISE (Preventing Recidivism Through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Support and Education.) PROMISE was begun in 2013 by the Broward County School District and Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale; it is an intervention program for student behavior that would otherwise prompt a suspension, expulsion or arrest

this program was a local initiative and did not involve federal agencies or Obama

I am sure OB welcome the local initiative as an intervention for trouble youth but it was hardly a federal program and had nothing to do with OB

But that doesn't stop right wing from tying the two together to make some statement

Also if I remember correctly Cruz had already left school and as soon as he was of age and able to buy a gun , he did get a gun

look at Florida state laws which allow 18 year old kids to possess fire arms

1. The program originated from Obama. You create it, you own it.

2. Doesn't matter if Cruz out of school. Point is the PP kept his bad record hidden from gun sellers, in school or not.

PROMISE Program Getting Very Little Press

Parkland Parents Mad About the PROMISE Program-Look To Oust School Board

Overseer of Broward Schools' PROMISE Program Getting Big Rai$e

What Punishment for PROMISE Program leaders ?

 

[protectionist]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

Cruz had felony convictions prior to his shooting spree? Do you have a link? I did a Google search and found nothing.

I don't recall if they were felonies or not. I wouldn't care. You can attack someone violently, damn near kill him, and it's just a misdemeanor.
I wouldn't sell a gun to someone with that background.

 

[protectionist]

Still there is a federal law that bans those who have been convicted of certain crimes from ever possessing firearms which does include domestic violence offenses.

Texas, Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law.


Montana is considered a restorative state, meaning under the Montana Constitution, felons who have completed their sentences and probationary periods have their rights restored — and technically can do things that regular citizens do, including possess a firearm and vote

Alaska - Ten years after completing felony probation, the state no longer bans felons from possessing firearms.
Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun. There is no requirement to register any firearm with the state of Alaska.

yet State laws say differently

But with Obama's Promise Program, young minorities like Nicolas Cruz can buy guns ANYTIME, with gun sellers unaware of their criminal background.

Liberal Obama supporters cry out for background checks, but then say nothing when their hero devises a program obliterating these checks, and one of the kids protected, goes out and shoots 34 people, killing 17 of them.

The Broward County Promise Program did not involve any federal agencies or departments, including President Obama.

It originated from Obama, Holder, et al of the Obama administration.

 

[protectionist]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

I am 100% pro-gun and firmly believe that the Second Amendment gives us the right to own firearms. But...minorities being allowed to purchase firearms....absolutely NOT! I have no problem with youths learning the use of them at firing ranges and on farms, so that should someone with evil intent breaks into their home, they can defend themselves with the firearm, rather than become a victim. But, to go out and be able to just up and buy a gun is absurd. The pre-frontal cortex (reason and rational thinking) isn't fully developed in young people until after their teen years, so it's best to have some restrictions in place on them.

Looking back at my post, I see a gross misspelling which completely alters the tone to a darker racist one which is wrong. While typing I misspelled minors and typed minorities. Sorry about that. Any and all minorities that are not criminals can indeed purchase firearms, unless they are MINORS.

As well as those who ARE criminals, with a criminal record, if they are/were in schools utilizing the Promise Program.

 

[protectionist]

Let me make sure I'm understanding the premise here. You don't want people with criminal records to be able to buy guns (What sort of criminal record, by the way? You don't specify), so you think young minorities should be prevented from buying guns? Is that it?

What's so hard ? Read the TITLE of the OP.

I just want to confirm what you're trying to say before I comment. It's a bit hard to understand why, if your problem is with criminals buying guns, you'd limit a ban to young minorities. It makes it seem that you are really concerned with minorities rather than criminals.

That's not taking into account the absurdity of the idea that one might successfully ban only minorities from owning guns, of course.

Did you read the OP ? Never comment in a thread without reading the OP, and understanding it fully.

All that you're asking about is in the OP (Promise Program , Nicolas Cruz, etc).

Yes, I read the OP. I also read the title you made for the thread. The OP doesn't explain why you'd want to specifically prevent young minorities from owning guns, rather than just criminals. And of course, the thread title doesn't mention criminals at all, just young minorities. So again, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying. Do you oppose young minorities being able to purchase guns? Do you only oppose criminals being able to purchase guns? Do you think all young minorities are criminals? Is there a reason you seem hesitant to make such clarifications?

You seem to be the only one in this thread having trouble understanding the OP. Maybe you might try a course in reading comprehension.

In the OP very first sentence, I stated that I'm opposed to criminals buying guns. I also stated that due to the Promise Program criminals with crime records are impervious to background checks, because their records are concealed.

So the question then is, since gun sellers cannot determine the backgrounds of PP kids, should all young minorities (the PP designation) be kept from buying guns (in order to stop the criminal, young minorities from buying them.

Or do we want to gamble, with another Parkland massacre as the stakes. Got it ?

 

[WinterBorn]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

Cruz had felony convictions prior to his shooting spree? Do you have a link? I did a Google search and found nothing.

I don't recall if they were felonies or not. I wouldn't care. You can attack someone violently, damn near kill him, and it's just a misdemeanor.
I wouldn't sell a gun to someone with that background.

Ok, so you wouldn't. But the system used for background checks only shows felonies (and domestic violence) as far as criminal activity goes.

If he had no felonies, he could have bought a gun without the PP.

 

[WinterBorn]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

I am 100% pro-gun and firmly believe that the Second Amendment gives us the right to own firearms. But...minorities being allowed to purchase firearms....absolutely NOT! I have no problem with youths learning the use of them at firing ranges and on farms, so that should someone with evil intent breaks into their home, they can defend themselves with the firearm, rather than become a victim. But, to go out and be able to just up and buy a gun is absurd. The pre-frontal cortex (reason and rational thinking) isn't fully developed in young people until after their teen years, so it's best to have some restrictions in place on them.

Looking back at my post, I see a gross misspelling which completely alters the tone to a darker racist one which is wrong. While typing I misspelled minors and typed minorities. Sorry about that. Any and all minorities that are not criminals can indeed purchase firearms, unless they are MINORS.

As well as those who ARE criminals, with a criminal record, if they are/were in schools utilizing the Promise Program.

The Promise Program only effects students with misdemeanor records. And, other than Domestic Abuse, no misdemeanor records prevent the purchase of a firearm.

 

[WinterBorn]

Let me make sure I'm understanding the premise here. You don't want people with criminal records to be able to buy guns (What sort of criminal record, by the way? You don't specify), so you think young minorities should be prevented from buying guns? Is that it?

What's so hard ? Read the TITLE of the OP.

I just want to confirm what you're trying to say before I comment. It's a bit hard to understand why, if your problem is with criminals buying guns, you'd limit a ban to young minorities. It makes it seem that you are really concerned with minorities rather than criminals.

That's not taking into account the absurdity of the idea that one might successfully ban only minorities from owning guns, of course.

Did you read the OP ? Never comment in a thread without reading the OP, and understanding it fully.

All that you're asking about is in the OP (Promise Program , Nicolas Cruz, etc).

Yes, I read the OP. I also read the title you made for the thread. The OP doesn't explain why you'd want to specifically prevent young minorities from owning guns, rather than just criminals. And of course, the thread title doesn't mention criminals at all, just young minorities. So again, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying. Do you oppose young minorities being able to purchase guns? Do you only oppose criminals being able to purchase guns? Do you think all young minorities are criminals? Is there a reason you seem hesitant to make such clarifications?

You seem to be the only one in this thread having trouble understanding the OP. Maybe you might try a course in reading comprehension.

In the OP very first sentence, I stated that I'm opposed to criminals buying guns. I also stated that due to the Promise Program criminals with crime records are impervious to background checks, because their records are concealed.

So the question then is, since gun sellers cannot determine the backgrounds of PP kids, should all young minorities (the PP designation) be kept from buying guns (in order to stop the criminal, young minorities from buying them.

Or do we want to gamble, with another Parkland massacre as the stakes. Got it ?

You don't seem to understand, the only crimes that prevent being able to buy a gun are felonies and domestic abuse.

The fact that a misdemeanor doesn't show up because of PP is irrelevant. The misdemeanor wouldn't stop the purchase anyway.

 

[protectionist]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

Cruz had felony convictions prior to his shooting spree? Do you have a link? I did a Google search and found nothing.

I don't recall if they were felonies or not. I wouldn't care. You can attack someone violently, damn near kill him, and it's just a misdemeanor.
I wouldn't sell a gun to someone with that background.

Ok, so you wouldn't. But the system used for background checks only shows felonies (and domestic violence) as far as criminal activity goes.

If he had no felonies, he could have bought a gun without the PP.

That would be wrong.

 

[protectionist]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

I am 100% pro-gun and firmly believe that the Second Amendment gives us the right to own firearms. But...minorities being allowed to purchase firearms....absolutely NOT! I have no problem with youths learning the use of them at firing ranges and on farms, so that should someone with evil intent breaks into their home, they can defend themselves with the firearm, rather than become a victim. But, to go out and be able to just up and buy a gun is absurd. The pre-frontal cortex (reason and rational thinking) isn't fully developed in young people until after their teen years, so it's best to have some restrictions in place on them.

Looking back at my post, I see a gross misspelling which completely alters the tone to a darker racist one which is wrong. While typing I misspelled minors and typed minorities. Sorry about that. Any and all minorities that are not criminals can indeed purchase firearms, unless they are MINORS.

As well as those who ARE criminals, with a criminal record, if they are/were in schools utilizing the Promise Program.

The Promise Program only effects students with misdemeanor records. And, other than Domestic Abuse, no misdemeanor records prevent the purchase of a firearm.

I wrote a series of OPs on the Promise Program, but they were quite a while ago. I'll look it over again over the next few days + Florida firearm laws.

And how do you know about Florida law, when you live in Georgia ?

 

[protectionist]

What's so hard ? Read the TITLE of the OP.

I just want to confirm what you're trying to say before I comment. It's a bit hard to understand why, if your problem is with criminals buying guns, you'd limit a ban to young minorities. It makes it seem that you are really concerned with minorities rather than criminals.

That's not taking into account the absurdity of the idea that one might successfully ban only minorities from owning guns, of course.

Did you read the OP ? Never comment in a thread without reading the OP, and understanding it fully.

All that you're asking about is in the OP (Promise Program , Nicolas Cruz, etc).

Yes, I read the OP. I also read the title you made for the thread. The OP doesn't explain why you'd want to specifically prevent young minorities from owning guns, rather than just criminals. And of course, the thread title doesn't mention criminals at all, just young minorities. So again, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying. Do you oppose young minorities being able to purchase guns? Do you only oppose criminals being able to purchase guns? Do you think all young minorities are criminals? Is there a reason you seem hesitant to make such clarifications?

You seem to be the only one in this thread having trouble understanding the OP. Maybe you might try a course in reading comprehension.

In the OP very first sentence, I stated that I'm opposed to criminals buying guns. I also stated that due to the Promise Program criminals with crime records are impervious to background checks, because their records are concealed.

So the question then is, since gun sellers cannot determine the backgrounds of PP kids, should all young minorities (the PP designation) be kept from buying guns (in order to stop the criminal, young minorities from buying them.

Or do we want to gamble, with another Parkland massacre as the stakes. Got it ?

You don't seem to understand, the only crimes that prevent being able to buy a gun are felonies and domestic abuse.

The fact that a misdemeanor doesn't show up because of PP is irrelevant. The misdemeanor wouldn't stop the purchase anyway.

I'll look if up over the next 2 days.
It certainly SHOULD.....and that is first word of the title of this thread. It's about what should be.

 

[protectionist]

What's so hard ? Read the TITLE of the OP.

I just want to confirm what you're trying to say before I comment. It's a bit hard to understand why, if your problem is with criminals buying guns, you'd limit a ban to young minorities. It makes it seem that you are really concerned with minorities rather than criminals.

That's not taking into account the absurdity of the idea that one might successfully ban only minorities from owning guns, of course.

Did you read the OP ? Never comment in a thread without reading the OP, and understanding it fully.

All that you're asking about is in the OP (Promise Program , Nicolas Cruz, etc).

Yes, I read the OP. I also read the title you made for the thread. The OP doesn't explain why you'd want to specifically prevent young minorities from owning guns, rather than just criminals. And of course, the thread title doesn't mention criminals at all, just young minorities. So again, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying. Do you oppose young minorities being able to purchase guns? Do you only oppose criminals being able to purchase guns? Do you think all young minorities are criminals? Is there a reason you seem hesitant to make such clarifications?

You seem to be the only one in this thread having trouble understanding the OP. Maybe you might try a course in reading comprehension.

In the OP very first sentence, I stated that I'm opposed to criminals buying guns. I also stated that due to the Promise Program criminals with crime records are impervious to background checks, because their records are concealed.

So the question then is, since gun sellers cannot determine the backgrounds of PP kids, should all young minorities (the PP designation) be kept from buying guns (in order to stop the criminal, young minorities from buying them.

Or do we want to gamble, with another Parkland massacre as the stakes. Got it ?

You don't seem to understand, the only crimes that prevent being able to buy a gun are felonies and domestic abuse.

The fact that a misdemeanor doesn't show up because of PP is irrelevant. The misdemeanor wouldn't stop the purchase anyway.

No gun seller has to sell a gun to anyone. He can choose to sell or not sell. If he wishes to refrain from a gun sale because somebody took candy from a baby, he can do that.

As with any business other than housing, the seller may choose his customers according to his boundaries, just as a restaurant reserves the right to refuse service (shirt & shoes required, etc)

If I were a gun seller, I would not sell guns to people with various types of misdemeanors in their background, especially violent ones (assault, battery, etc)

It's possible that if Nicolas Cruz' gun seller had known of his crime background, he night not have sold him the guns that he did.

 

[LuckyDuck]

What's so hard ? Read the TITLE of the OP.

I just want to confirm what you're trying to say before I comment. It's a bit hard to understand why, if your problem is with criminals buying guns, you'd limit a ban to young minorities. It makes it seem that you are really concerned with minorities rather than criminals.

That's not taking into account the absurdity of the idea that one might successfully ban only minorities from owning guns, of course.

Did you read the OP ? Never comment in a thread without reading the OP, and understanding it fully.

All that you're asking about is in the OP (Promise Program , Nicolas Cruz, etc).

Yes, I read the OP. I also read the title you made for the thread. The OP doesn't explain why you'd want to specifically prevent young minorities from owning guns, rather than just criminals. And of course, the thread title doesn't mention criminals at all, just young minorities. So again, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying. Do you oppose young minorities being able to purchase guns? Do you only oppose criminals being able to purchase guns? Do you think all young minorities are criminals? Is there a reason you seem hesitant to make such clarifications?

You seem to be the only one in this thread having trouble understanding the OP. Maybe you might try a course in reading comprehension.

In the OP very first sentence, I stated that I'm opposed to criminals buying guns. I also stated that due to the Promise Program criminals with crime records are impervious to background checks, because their records are concealed.

So the question then is, since gun sellers cannot determine the backgrounds of PP kids, should all young minorities (the PP designation) be kept from buying guns (in order to stop the criminal, young minorities from buying them.

Or do we want to gamble, with another Parkland massacre as the stakes. Got it ?

You don't seem to understand, the only crimes that prevent being able to buy a gun are felonies and domestic abuse.

The fact that a misdemeanor doesn't show up because of PP is irrelevant. The misdemeanor wouldn't stop the purchase anyway.

Non-violent misdemeanors shouldn't prevent an individual from purchasing a firearm. Speeding, parking illegally, being drunk in public, not picking up your dogs feces, et cetera, are all misdemeanors and thus have no bearing on firearms ownership. I do believe that certain psychiatric diagnoses should prevent individuals from firearms ownership.

 

[protectionist]

I just want to confirm what you're trying to say before I comment. It's a bit hard to understand why, if your problem is with criminals buying guns, you'd limit a ban to young minorities. It makes it seem that you are really concerned with minorities rather than criminals.

That's not taking into account the absurdity of the idea that one might successfully ban only minorities from owning guns, of course.

Did you read the OP ? Never comment in a thread without reading the OP, and understanding it fully.

All that you're asking about is in the OP (Promise Program , Nicolas Cruz, etc).

Yes, I read the OP. I also read the title you made for the thread. The OP doesn't explain why you'd want to specifically prevent young minorities from owning guns, rather than just criminals. And of course, the thread title doesn't mention criminals at all, just young minorities. So again, I'm trying to clarify what you're saying. Do you oppose young minorities being able to purchase guns? Do you only oppose criminals being able to purchase guns? Do you think all young minorities are criminals? Is there a reason you seem hesitant to make such clarifications?

You seem to be the only one in this thread having trouble understanding the OP. Maybe you might try a course in reading comprehension.

In the OP very first sentence, I stated that I'm opposed to criminals buying guns. I also stated that due to the Promise Program criminals with crime records are impervious to background checks, because their records are concealed.

So the question then is, since gun sellers cannot determine the backgrounds of PP kids, should all young minorities (the PP designation) be kept from buying guns (in order to stop the criminal, young minorities from buying them.

Or do we want to gamble, with another Parkland massacre as the stakes. Got it ?

You don't seem to understand, the only crimes that prevent being able to buy a gun are felonies and domestic abuse.

The fact that a misdemeanor doesn't show up because of PP is irrelevant. The misdemeanor wouldn't stop the purchase anyway.

Non-violent misdemeanors shouldn't prevent an individual from purchasing a firearm. Speeding, parking illegally, being drunk in public, not picking up your dogs feces, et cetera, are all misdemeanors and thus have no bearing on firearms ownership. I do believe that certain psychiatric diagnoses should prevent individuals from firearms ownership.

I just addressed that in my previous post. ANY crime (or non crime) can stop a gun sale.

 

[WinterBorn]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

Cruz had felony convictions prior to his shooting spree? Do you have a link? I did a Google search and found nothing.

I don't recall if they were felonies or not. I wouldn't care. You can attack someone violently, damn near kill him, and it's just a misdemeanor.
I wouldn't sell a gun to someone with that background.

Ok, so you wouldn't. But the system used for background checks only shows felonies (and domestic violence) as far as criminal activity goes.

If he had no felonies, he could have bought a gun without the PP.

That would be wrong.

What is wrong about what I said.