Should Trump go to jail for mishandling classified information?

[BackAgain]

Even Trumps own lawyers are not going forward with that one.

Wrong. What you might have said if you gave the slightest **** about honesty and accuracy is that SO FAR his lawyers haven’t made that claim. Of course, so far, it hasn’t been particularly pertinent to the limited legal proceedings under way.

Too much of a perjury trap

No. Just basic good lawyering. Merely because a tool like you may imagine such claims are of significance, yet, in the present legal status, doesn’t make it so.

No, Trumps magical wave your arms and everything is declassified is not going to cut it.

Nothing magical no arm waving. Just his say so. And it will suffice legally despite your consternation or disbelief. Here’s a telltale sign.

Suppose our idiot President directs his malignant AG to seek an indictment against the former President charging him with crimes connected with the Espionage Act. If he gets so indicted and if the case doesn’t get dismissed ahead of time, at a trial Patel would testify all about the President’s directive. Now, since the Government has the burden of proof and it can never be shifted on to a defendant, guess what? That’s right! The US Attorney will have the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt to DISPROVE the declassification.

This is why there is a very good chance that even our imbecile President’s inept handlers will refrain from seeking such a charge. And although they can pretend to proceed with other charges, none of those are of any merit or value.

 

[rightwinger]

Biden's son has been doing the first FOR YEARS

But his White House and the media kept it out of American's social media, and colluded to do THAT.

The rank ignorance.

Trump spent four years trying to find dirt on Hunter
He came up with nothing.

Even when he extorted Zelensky to find something

 

[Slade3200]

Okay, since you are too simple.

You'll figure it out. You will hate it.

It’s not a matter of me being simple or not. It’s a matter of you being able to explain yourself and engage in a normal discussion. But you don’t want to do that. You want to threaten and brag about copying tactics that you are criticizing the Dems for using. That means you lack principle

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong. What you might have said if you have the slightest **** about honesty and accuracy is that SO FAR his lawyers haven’t made that claim. Of course, so far, it hasn’t been particularly pertinent to the limited legal proceedings under way.

No. Just basic good lawyering. Merely because a tool like you may imagine such claims are of significance, yet, in the present legal status, doesn’t make it so.

Nothing magical no arm waving. Just his say so. And it will suffice legally despite your consternation or disbelief. Here’s a telltale sign.

Suppose our idiot President directs his malignant AG to seek an indictment against the former President charging him with crimes connected with the Espionage Act. If he gets so indicted and if the case doesn’t get dismissed ahead of time, at a trial Patel would testify all about the President’s directive. Now, since the Government has the burden of proof and it can never be shifted on to a defendant, guess what? That’s right! The US Attorney will have the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt to DISPROVE the declassification.

This is why there is a very good chance that even our imbecile President’s inept handlers will refrain from seeking such a charge. And although they can pretend to proceed with other charges, none of those are of any merit or value.

Do you really think Patel would take the stand and perjure himself to protect Trump?

The prosecution would rip him to shreds

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong. What you might have said if you have the slightest **** about honesty and accuracy is that SO FAR his lawyers haven’t made that claim. Of course, so far, it hasn’t been particularly pertinent to the limited legal proceedings under way.

Actually Trums public statements of having declassified the documents means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Trump has to make that claim under oath, under penalty of perjury, before it can even be considered.

Until then it's no different than Trumps public statements that he won the 2020 election.

 

[WEATHER53]

Trump spent four years trying to find dirt on Hunter
He came up with nothing.

Even when he extorted Zelensky to find something

Hunters dirt does not have to be hunted
It’s very apparent and the only effort being made is that of hiding it

 

[SweetSue92]

Trump spent four years trying to find dirt on Hunter
He came up with nothing.

Even when he extorted Zelensky to find something

The FBI would disagree

You love the FBI don't you?

 

[SweetSue92]

It’s not a matter of me being simple or not. It’s a matter of you being able to explain yourself and engage in a normal discussion. But you don’t want to do that. You want to threaten and brag about copying tactics that you are criticizing the Dems for using. That means you lack principle

Oh, and don't you rely on our principles? IT means you can abuse us anyway you want and you rely on us never, ever to return the abuse in kind.

Don't you know those days are over?

 

[surada]

Biden's son has been doing the first FOR YEARS

But his White House and the media kept it out of American's social media, and colluded to do THAT.

The rank ignorance.

Prove Hunter Biden stole classified documents from the Oval Office.

 

[meaner gene]

Do you really think Patel would take the stand and perjure himself to protect Trump?

The prosecution would rip him to shreds

More than that. Patel's testimony is "hearsay".

 

[BackAgain]

Do you really think Patel would take the stand and perjure himself to protect Trump?

Of course.

The prosecution would rip him to shreds

No; they wouldn’t.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I love that the same brain trust that acknowledges that the entire Justice System has been unfair to, say, black males for the last 200+ years is absolutely pure as the driven snow when it came to Donald Trump.

That they never catch their own irony and hypocrisy is really mind-bending when you ponder it.

Your threats of a revenge jihad should not deter the authorities from doing the right thing.

 

[SweetSue92]

Prove Hunter Biden stole classified documents from the Oval Office.

What are you talking about?

 

[SweetSue92]

Your threats of a revenge jihad should not deter the authorities from doing the right thing.

Just sit over there in Dark Ages Wales with no power or whatever.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course.

No; they wouldn’t.

Are you kidding?
What is Patel going to testify to?

“I heard Trump declassify those documents”

Which documents Mr Patel?
When and where did he say that?
Did you or anyone else make a note of Trumps order?
Who else was in the room?
Who was responsible for following through with the declassification?

Are you aware there were dozens of documents in Mr Trumps possession? Were you there when each one was declassified?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Just sit over there in Dark Ages Wales with no power or whatever.

You seem to be living in the dark ages. You seem to be unable to see when crimes have been comitted.
I know you are a fan of inventing facts when the truth doesnt suit you.but your antics on this thread are breathtaking.

 

[two_iron]

So arrest him start the civil war already.

They don't have the balls. They're all mouth.

That's why their well-hung girlfriends like them.

 

[SweetSue92]

You seem to be living in the dark ages. You seem to be unable to see when crimes have been comitted.
I know you are a fan of inventing facts when the truth doesnt suit you.but your antics on this thread are breathtaking.

I don't care what you think

 

[BackAgain]

Are you kidding?
What is Patel going to testify to?

What he heard the President say. The fact that the President said it is all he needs to attest to.

“I heard Trump declassify those documents”

Maybe a bit more. But, in general, yes.

Which documents Mr Patel?

He will probably tell them — which documents. He kind of already has.

When and where did he say that?

Fair questions. And I’m gonna just offer a guess. On “x” date in the Oval Office or in the dining room. (Who cares?)

Did you or anyone else make a note of Trumps order?

I wasn’t there but I can guess. “No sir, I did not.” So what? Did others? I don’t know.

Who else was in the room?

Again. Fair question. If he recalls, he will say who else he remembers being present.

Who was responsible for following through with the declassification?

He has already answered that: “staff.”

Are you aware there were dozens of documents in Mr Trumps possession?

“Yeah. I understand the count was like 11,000.”

Were you there when each one was declassified?

I assume he will repeat that he was present when President Trump gave the standing order.

None of that meets the government’s burden of proof. Nothing they can ask at all will meet that burden. But, tough luck for any unfortunate US Attorney. The Government retains the burden of proof despite that fact.

 

[meaner gene]

Are you kidding?
What is Patel going to testify to?

“I heard Trump declassify those documents”

Mr. Patel, can you identify which specific documents you witnessed Trump declassify?
And tell us the approximate time and date each of them occurred on.