Should the US sign an International Plastics Reduction Treaty?

Are you in favor of treay reducing plastic pollution?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • No

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • I am in favor of keeping the status quo.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • We need more plastic pollution

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • Total voters
    17

JLW

Diamond Member
Sep 16, 2012
15,736
16,829
2,405
On the heels of contentious climate talks in Azerbaijan, negotiators from around the globe are descending on Busan, South Korea, this week with another formidable goal: the world’s first treaty designed to tackle plastic pollution’s explosive growth.

On the table is a proposal that aims to cut down on the millions of tons of plastic waste discarded each year. And a broad coalition of nations is seeking to go a step further and rein in plastic production, with a focus on restricting single-use plastic.

That notion had gained traction leading up to the final round of talks in Busan, with even the United States, a major plastics producer, tentatively backing the United Nations-led effort......

Now, few expect the United States to sign on to an eventual treaty at all. And with deep-seated opposition from oil and gas nations like Saudi Arabia and Russia — which, like the United States, produce the fossil fuels used to make plastic — some delegates are wondering whether any agreement is possible by the scheduled end of the talks on Sunday.....

There is one consensus among most delegates: The world has a colossal plastic waste problem.

The world produces nearly half a billion tons of plastic each year, more than double the amount from two decades ago, and much of that turns up on coastlines and river banks, as well as in whales, birds and other animals that ingest them. Researchers have estimated that one garbage truck’s worth of plastic enters the ocean every minute.

Scientists have also sounded the alarm on microplastics in the environment and in the human body, as well as the thousands of chemicals in plastic that can leach into food, water and the environment. Producing and transporting plastic releases planet-warming gases — if plastics were a country, it would be the world’s fifth-highest emitter of greenhouse gases. Recycling isn’t keeping up; scientists estimate that only 9 percent of plastic waste generated globally is recycled.

Developing nations have been at the forefront of efforts to tackle plastic pollution, as they have struggled to cope with waste sent by rich countries...



*****************************************************************************************

We all say we love to say we "throw away" our garbage. The truth is there is no such thing as "throwing away" your garbage. It is merely transferring it from your home to another location. In the case of plastics/used clothes, etc. it usually means a transfer to a third-world nation where they dump it into the ocean. Of course, pollution knows no artificial human erected boundaries and the pollution winds up across the globe and part of our food supply.

It is possible to substantially slow down and halt the rate of plastic pollution:

"Scientists say a solution is possible. A recent paper in the journal Science estimated that just four of the policies that have been discussed so far at the plastic treaty talks could reduce mismanaged plastic waste by more than 90 percent, and plastic-related greenhouse gas emissions by one-third. Those policies include capping new plastic production at 2020 levels and mandating that new products be made with at least 40 percent recycled plastic.

“It is actually possible to nearly end plastic pollution with this treaty,” Douglas J. McCauley, a professor of ocean science at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said in an email. “It was also sobering to see that without a treaty, plastic pollution will double by 2050,” he added.

Ibid

The question is are you in favor of an international plastics pollution treaty?
 
Last edited:
.

I don't see too many valid reasons for plastic.

My drinks containers are all glass and stainless steel. When I want to carry food, it's usually in glass containers with mostly glass lids. I admit I have a few storage containers with plastic lids but they're great quality and I don't ever intend to throw them out.

I never buy water or juice in plastic bottles. Condiments in plastic bottles when it's the ONLY option.


.
 
  • Thanks
Reactions: JLW
On the heels of contentious climate talks in Azerbaijan, negotiators from around the globe are descending on Busan, South Korea, this week with another formidable goal: the world’s first treaty designed to tackle plastic pollution’s explosive growth.

On the table is a proposal that aims to cut down on the millions of tons of plastic waste discarded each year. And a broad coalition of nations is seeking to go a step further and rein in plastic production, with a focus on restricting single-use plastic.

That notion had gained traction leading up to the final round of talks in Busan, with even the United States, a major plastics producer, tentatively backing the United Nations-led effort......

Now, few expect the United States to sign on to an eventual treaty at all. And with deep-seated opposition from oil and gas nations like Saudi Arabia and Russia — which, like the United States, produce the fossil fuels used to make plastic — some delegates are wondering whether any agreement is possible by the scheduled end of the talks on Sunday.....

There is one consensus among most delegates: The world has a colossal plastic waste problem.

The world produces nearly half a billion tons of plastic each year, more than double the amount from two decades ago, and much of that turns up on coastlines and river banks, as well as in whales, birds and other animals that ingest them. Researchers have estimated that one garbage truck’s worth of plastic enters the ocean every minute.

Scientists have also sounded the alarm on microplastics in the environment and in the human body, as well as the thousands of chemicals in plastic that can leach into food, water and the environment. Producing and transporting plastic releases planet-warming gases — if plastics were a country, it would be the world’s fifth-highest emitter of greenhouse gases. Recycling isn’t keeping up; scientists estimate that only 9 percent of plastic waste generated globally is recycled.

Developing nations have been at the forefront of efforts to tackle plastic pollution, as they have struggled to cope with waste sent by rich countries...



*****************************************************************************************

We all say we love to "throw away" our garbage. The truth is there is no such thing as "throwing away" your garbage. It is merely transferring it from your home to another location. In the case of plastics/used clothes, etc. it usually means a transfer to a third-world nation where they dump it into the ocean. Of course, pollution knows no artificial human erected boundaries and the pollution winds up across the globe and part of our food supply.

It is possible to substantially slow down and halt the rate of plastic pollution:

"Scientists say a solution is possible. A recent paper in the journal Science estimated that just four of the policies that have been discussed so far at the plastic treaty talks could reduce mismanaged plastic waste by more than 90 percent, and plastic-related greenhouse gas emissions by one-third. Those policies include capping new plastic production at 2020 levels and mandating that new products be made with at least 40 percent recycled plastic.

“It is actually possible to nearly end plastic pollution with this treaty,” Douglas J. McCauley, a professor of ocean science at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said in an email. “It was also sobering to see that without a treaty, plastic pollution will double by 2050,” he added.

Ibid

The question is are you in favor of an international plastics pollution treaty?
Depends on what it is. We don't need to be doing anything that increases prices on consumers, purposely puts busninesses and workers out of business, or makes the US pay for other countries' plastic pollution problem, or adds money onto our national debt.
 
Last edited:
On the heels of contentious climate talks in Azerbaijan, negotiators from around the globe are descending on Busan, South Korea, this week with another formidable goal: the world’s first treaty designed to tackle plastic pollution’s explosive growth.

On the table is a proposal that aims to cut down on the millions of tons of plastic waste discarded each year. And a broad coalition of nations is seeking to go a step further and rein in plastic production, with a focus on restricting single-use plastic.

That notion had gained traction leading up to the final round of talks in Busan, with even the United States, a major plastics producer, tentatively backing the United Nations-led effort......

Now, few expect the United States to sign on to an eventual treaty at all. And with deep-seated opposition from oil and gas nations like Saudi Arabia and Russia — which, like the United States, produce the fossil fuels used to make plastic — some delegates are wondering whether any agreement is possible by the scheduled end of the talks on Sunday.....

There is one consensus among most delegates: The world has a colossal plastic waste problem.

The world produces nearly half a billion tons of plastic each year, more than double the amount from two decades ago, and much of that turns up on coastlines and river banks, as well as in whales, birds and other animals that ingest them. Researchers have estimated that one garbage truck’s worth of plastic enters the ocean every minute.

Scientists have also sounded the alarm on microplastics in the environment and in the human body, as well as the thousands of chemicals in plastic that can leach into food, water and the environment. Producing and transporting plastic releases planet-warming gases — if plastics were a country, it would be the world’s fifth-highest emitter of greenhouse gases. Recycling isn’t keeping up; scientists estimate that only 9 percent of plastic waste generated globally is recycled.

Developing nations have been at the forefront of efforts to tackle plastic pollution, as they have struggled to cope with waste sent by rich countries...



*****************************************************************************************

We all say we love to say we "throw away" our garbage. The truth is there is no such thing as "throwing away" your garbage. It is merely transferring it from your home to another location. In the case of plastics/used clothes, etc. it usually means a transfer to a third-world nation where they dump it into the ocean. Of course, pollution knows no artificial human erected boundaries and the pollution winds up across the globe and part of our food supply.

It is possible to substantially slow down and halt the rate of plastic pollution:

"Scientists say a solution is possible. A recent paper in the journal Science estimated that just four of the policies that have been discussed so far at the plastic treaty talks could reduce mismanaged plastic waste by more than 90 percent, and plastic-related greenhouse gas emissions by one-third. Those policies include capping new plastic production at 2020 levels and mandating that new products be made with at least 40 percent recycled plastic.

“It is actually possible to nearly end plastic pollution with this treaty,” Douglas J. McCauley, a professor of ocean science at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said in an email. “It was also sobering to see that without a treaty, plastic pollution will double by 2050,” he added.

Ibid

The question is are you in favor of an international plastics pollution treaty?

This is far more dangerous to the human race than anything
AGW related.... It's here now!
 
.

I don't see too many valid reasons for plastic.

My drinks containers are all glass and stainless steel. When I want to carry food, it's usually in glass containers with mostly glass lids. I admit I have a few storage containers with plastic lids but they're great quality and I don't ever intend to throw them out.

I never buy water or juice in plastic bottles. Condiments in plastic bottles when it's the ONLY option.


.
In my personal life, I also avoid plastic containers for food, nonstick pans, plastic drinking glasses, etc.

But I cannot go along with signing such a treaty. Without even looking at it, I know that it is heavily weighted against the United States, while allowing Russia, China, and every nation that is not the U.S. to ramp up plastics production.

Also, I wonder if the world could produce enough glass and stainless steel to make up for all the plastic packaging that holds the overwhelming majority of foods on the grocery shelf. Maybe it could. Coke used to be sold in large and small glass bottles, and they "recycled" them constantly through returns for deposits. Also gave kids a way to make some pocket change.
 
In my personal life, I also avoid plastic containers for food, nonstick pans, plastic drinking glasses, etc.

But I cannot go along with signing such a treaty. Without even looking at it, I know that it is heavily weighted against the United States, while allowing Russia, China, and every nation that is not the U.S. to ramp up plastics production.

Also, I wonder if the world could produce enough glass and stainless steel to make up for all the plastic packaging that holds the overwhelming majority of foods on the grocery shelf. Maybe it could. Coke used to be sold in large and small glass bottles, and they "recycled" them constantly through returns for deposits. Also gave kids a way to make some pocket change.

I just got rid of my last non stick pan. All stainless steel and pyrex now.
 
On the heels of contentious climate talks in Azerbaijan, negotiators from around the globe are descending on Busan, South Korea, this week with another formidable goal: the world’s first treaty designed to tackle plastic pollution’s explosive growth.

On the table is a proposal that aims to cut down on the millions of tons of plastic waste discarded each year. And a broad coalition of nations is seeking to go a step further and rein in plastic production, with a focus on restricting single-use plastic.

That notion had gained traction leading up to the final round of talks in Busan, with even the United States, a major plastics producer, tentatively backing the United Nations-led effort......

Now, few expect the United States to sign on to an eventual treaty at all. And with deep-seated opposition from oil and gas nations like Saudi Arabia and Russia — which, like the United States, produce the fossil fuels used to make plastic — some delegates are wondering whether any agreement is possible by the scheduled end of the talks on Sunday.....

There is one consensus among most delegates: The world has a colossal plastic waste problem.

The world produces nearly half a billion tons of plastic each year, more than double the amount from two decades ago, and much of that turns up on coastlines and river banks, as well as in whales, birds and other animals that ingest them. Researchers have estimated that one garbage truck’s worth of plastic enters the ocean every minute.

Scientists have also sounded the alarm on microplastics in the environment and in the human body, as well as the thousands of chemicals in plastic that can leach into food, water and the environment. Producing and transporting plastic releases planet-warming gases — if plastics were a country, it would be the world’s fifth-highest emitter of greenhouse gases. Recycling isn’t keeping up; scientists estimate that only 9 percent of plastic waste generated globally is recycled.

Developing nations have been at the forefront of efforts to tackle plastic pollution, as they have struggled to cope with waste sent by rich countries...



*****************************************************************************************

We all say we love to say we "throw away" our garbage. The truth is there is no such thing as "throwing away" your garbage. It is merely transferring it from your home to another location. In the case of plastics/used clothes, etc. it usually means a transfer to a third-world nation where they dump it into the ocean. Of course, pollution knows no artificial human erected boundaries and the pollution winds up across the globe and part of our food supply.

It is possible to substantially slow down and halt the rate of plastic pollution:

"Scientists say a solution is possible. A recent paper in the journal Science estimated that just four of the policies that have been discussed so far at the plastic treaty talks could reduce mismanaged plastic waste by more than 90 percent, and plastic-related greenhouse gas emissions by one-third. Those policies include capping new plastic production at 2020 levels and mandating that new products be made with at least 40 percent recycled plastic.

“It is actually possible to nearly end plastic pollution with this treaty,” Douglas J. McCauley, a professor of ocean science at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said in an email. “It was also sobering to see that without a treaty, plastic pollution will double by 2050,” he added.

Ibid

The question is are you in favor of an international plastics pollution treaty?
Should we?

Hell yeah.

Will we under the tRump circus?

No Way.
 
We do have a plastic problem. Especially micro plastics.
The thing is, what could replace plastic? Cell phones, computers, indoor plumbing, vehicles, glasses. Fucking everything has plastic in it now lol.
 
Should we?

Hell yeah.

Will we under the tRump circus?

No Way.
.




How pathetic it is for your cult to be unable to see a thread that has nothing to do with President Trump, and work so hard to use it for your screechy Trump Hate purposes.

Enjoy the next twelve years.










.
 
.




How pathetic it is for your cult to be unable to see a thread that has nothing to do with President Trump, and work so hard to use it for your screechy Trump Hate purposes.

Enjoy the next twelve years.










.
So you're saying I'm wrong? tRump will sign a plastics reduction treaty?
 
So you're saying I'm wrong? tRump will sign a plastics reduction treaty?
I am not sure it matters whether it is Biden or Trump is in power because both would require Senate approval of any international treaty or agreement on plastic reduction. I am unsure whether such a treaty/agreement would pass because of opposition from the fossil fuel industry.

As to the incoming Trump Administration, the dynamics regarding microplastics may be interesting to watch. RFK. Jr. is known to be very concerned about microplastics' proliferation and their health effects. If confirmed as secretary of H.H.S. , which I think he will be, he will butt heads with the fossil fuel interests in the Trump Administration. I disagree with RFK, Jr. on some things, but he is also right on many of his positions regarding chemicals in our food and environment.
 
On the heels of contentious climate talks in Azerbaijan, negotiators from around the globe are descending on Busan, South Korea, this week with another formidable goal: the world’s first treaty designed to tackle plastic pollution’s explosive growth.

On the table is a proposal that aims to cut down on the millions of tons of plastic waste discarded each year. And a broad coalition of nations is seeking to go a step further and rein in plastic production, with a focus on restricting single-use plastic.

That notion had gained traction leading up to the final round of talks in Busan, with even the United States, a major plastics producer, tentatively backing the United Nations-led effort......

Now, few expect the United States to sign on to an eventual treaty at all. And with deep-seated opposition from oil and gas nations like Saudi Arabia and Russia — which, like the United States, produce the fossil fuels used to make plastic — some delegates are wondering whether any agreement is possible by the scheduled end of the talks on Sunday.....

There is one consensus among most delegates: The world has a colossal plastic waste problem.

The world produces nearly half a billion tons of plastic each year, more than double the amount from two decades ago, and much of that turns up on coastlines and river banks, as well as in whales, birds and other animals that ingest them. Researchers have estimated that one garbage truck’s worth of plastic enters the ocean every minute.

Scientists have also sounded the alarm on microplastics in the environment and in the human body, as well as the thousands of chemicals in plastic that can leach into food, water and the environment. Producing and transporting plastic releases planet-warming gases — if plastics were a country, it would be the world’s fifth-highest emitter of greenhouse gases. Recycling isn’t keeping up; scientists estimate that only 9 percent of plastic waste generated globally is recycled.

Developing nations have been at the forefront of efforts to tackle plastic pollution, as they have struggled to cope with waste sent by rich countries...



*****************************************************************************************

We all say we love to say we "throw away" our garbage. The truth is there is no such thing as "throwing away" your garbage. It is merely transferring it from your home to another location. In the case of plastics/used clothes, etc. it usually means a transfer to a third-world nation where they dump it into the ocean. Of course, pollution knows no artificial human erected boundaries and the pollution winds up across the globe and part of our food supply.

It is possible to substantially slow down and halt the rate of plastic pollution:

"Scientists say a solution is possible. A recent paper in the journal Science estimated that just four of the policies that have been discussed so far at the plastic treaty talks could reduce mismanaged plastic waste by more than 90 percent, and plastic-related greenhouse gas emissions by one-third. Those policies include capping new plastic production at 2020 levels and mandating that new products be made with at least 40 percent recycled plastic.

“It is actually possible to nearly end plastic pollution with this treaty,” Douglas J. McCauley, a professor of ocean science at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said in an email. “It was also sobering to see that without a treaty, plastic pollution will double by 2050,” he added.

Ibid

The question is are you in favor of an international plastics pollution treaty?
I do not want our government to participate in any sort of ban of anything widely used and mostly safely used by billions of people. Of course a Biden appointee will be on board with relinquishing America's sovereignty to curry favor with other nations, but I am hoping Trump, Elise Stafanik and a GOP controlled Congress will have a clearer, America First vision and reject the concept.

The focus should be on developing plastics that can all be usefully and profitably recycled and doing that instead of discarding it. It could even become a law once all manufacturers/users of fully recyclable plastic have the mechanisms in place to do that. The vast majority of the people will comply when it is the law and socially acceptable that they do so just as the vast majority of people choose not to litter once it became law and socially acceptable not to do so.
 
Where did all the micro-pieces of this off shore wind turbine go?
1732555194476.png
 
On the heels of contentious climate talks in Azerbaijan, negotiators from around the globe are descending on Busan, South Korea, this week with another formidable goal: the world’s first treaty designed to tackle plastic pollution’s explosive growth.

On the table is a proposal that aims to cut down on the millions of tons of plastic waste discarded each year. And a broad coalition of nations is seeking to go a step further and rein in plastic production, with a focus on restricting single-use plastic.

That notion had gained traction leading up to the final round of talks in Busan, with even the United States, a major plastics producer, tentatively backing the United Nations-led effort......

Now, few expect the United States to sign on to an eventual treaty at all. And with deep-seated opposition from oil and gas nations like Saudi Arabia and Russia — which, like the United States, produce the fossil fuels used to make plastic — some delegates are wondering whether any agreement is possible by the scheduled end of the talks on Sunday.....

There is one consensus among most delegates: The world has a colossal plastic waste problem.

The world produces nearly half a billion tons of plastic each year, more than double the amount from two decades ago, and much of that turns up on coastlines and river banks, as well as in whales, birds and other animals that ingest them. Researchers have estimated that one garbage truck’s worth of plastic enters the ocean every minute.

Scientists have also sounded the alarm on microplastics in the environment and in the human body, as well as the thousands of chemicals in plastic that can leach into food, water and the environment. Producing and transporting plastic releases planet-warming gases — if plastics were a country, it would be the world’s fifth-highest emitter of greenhouse gases. Recycling isn’t keeping up; scientists estimate that only 9 percent of plastic waste generated globally is recycled.

Developing nations have been at the forefront of efforts to tackle plastic pollution, as they have struggled to cope with waste sent by rich countries...



*****************************************************************************************

We all say we love to say we "throw away" our garbage. The truth is there is no such thing as "throwing away" your garbage. It is merely transferring it from your home to another location. In the case of plastics/used clothes, etc. it usually means a transfer to a third-world nation where they dump it into the ocean. Of course, pollution knows no artificial human erected boundaries and the pollution winds up across the globe and part of our food supply.

It is possible to substantially slow down and halt the rate of plastic pollution:

"Scientists say a solution is possible. A recent paper in the journal Science estimated that just four of the policies that have been discussed so far at the plastic treaty talks could reduce mismanaged plastic waste by more than 90 percent, and plastic-related greenhouse gas emissions by one-third. Those policies include capping new plastic production at 2020 levels and mandating that new products be made with at least 40 percent recycled plastic.

“It is actually possible to nearly end plastic pollution with this treaty,” Douglas J. McCauley, a professor of ocean science at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said in an email. “It was also sobering to see that without a treaty, plastic pollution will double by 2050,” he added.

Ibid

The question is are you in favor of an international plastics pollution treaty?
Bring back returnable bottles. Everything tastes better in glass anyway.
 

Forum List

Back
Top