Should the US sign an International Plastics Reduction Treaty?

Are you in favor of treay reducing plastic pollution?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • No

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • I am in favor of keeping the status quo.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • We need more plastic pollution

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • Total voters
    17
We do have a plastic problem. Especially micro plastics.
The thing is, what could replace plastic? Cell phones, computers, indoor plumbing, vehicles, glasses. Fucking everything has plastic in it now lol.

I don't think anyone is suggesting every single use of plastic should be replaced, but we can certainly go back to glass bottles and containers, for instance, instead of throw away plastic that is having a very tangible pollution impact everyone can see.
 
Bring back returnable bottles. Everything tastes better in glass anyway.
One of my favorite treats as a kid was soft drinks in glass bottles. We had this old general sorta store about a 3 minute walk away from my house and they had them.
Coke, pepsi, sprite, dr pepper... didnt matter. They were sooooo good! lol
There is a store in my town that just started selling them, but i dont drink that stuff anymore.
But damn. Now I want one lol
 
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I've always hated the taste of water in a plastic bottle.


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Ya, me too. Once a year I head to Cincinnati. They have a store down there with custom sodas available. All of which are offered in bottles. Also something I love about Cracker Barrel. Good ole fashion root beer in a bottle. Just 10 to 15 years ago there was a root beer stand just outside of Springfield Oh with female waiters on roller skates just like back in the 50s. My eldest son absolutely loved going to that place. Any time I worked in that area he would beg to go and help. We would make a day of it roll through Mechanicsburg , home of the largest black raspberry farm in the state. Then roll onto that root beer stand for root beer floats and a Coney do. Good memories.
 
I don't think anyone is suggesting every single use of plastic should be replaced, but we can certainly go back to glass bottles and containers, for instance, instead of throw away plastic that is having a very tangible pollution impact everyone can see.
But microplastics? They come from clothing, packaging, hygiene products, clear coats for paint, roadway markings etc.
They have found microplastic in mens ball sacks lolz. That stuff is everywhere. No telling what it is doing to our health.
Just plastic bottles and such would help with litter, but thats about it. The rest of the plastic problem still remains.
 
One of my favorite treats as a kid was soft drinks in glass bottles. We had this old general sorta store about a 3 minute walk away from my house and they had them.
Coke, pepsi, sprite, dr pepper... didnt matter. They were sooooo good! lol
There is a store in my town that just started selling them, but i dont drink that stuff anymore.
But damn. Now I want one lol
Ya, I rarely partake in sweets in more. Old and have to be much more careful with my health. But ya very similar fond memories for me as a child. Soda was not something that sat around my parents house. So ya had to enjoy such things away from home. What a treat and feeling of freedom I received from it. Very good memories.
 
Ya, I rarely partake in sweets in more. Old and have to be much more careful with my health. But ya very similar fond memories for me as a child. Soda was not something that sat around my parents house. So ya had to enjoy such things away from home. What a treat and feeling of freedom I received from it. Very good memories.
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When I was a five year old, we lived just across the street from a Pepsi bottler, and we found a room that we could sneak into and watch the filled and capped glass bottles go by on the conveyor belt, clinking together. In the blistering summer heat, sneaking into this frosty-cool air conditioned building that smelled deeply of Pepsi, while the cool glass bottles clinked past -- very strong sense memory for me.


Back then, you had to have a church key to open the bottles and the caps were lined with cork liners, which we saved all year to trade in for pony rides in the summer.

That frosty cold glass bottle!!!!!! YES!!!!!!


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When I was a five year old, we lived just across the street from a Pepsi bottler, and we found a room that we could sneak into and watch the filled and capped glass bottles go by on the conveyor belt, clinking together. In the blistering summer heat, sneaking into this frosty-cool air conditioned building that smelled deeply of Pepsi, while the cool glass bottles clinked past -- very strong sense memory for me.


Back then, you had to have a church key to open the bottles and the caps were lined with cork liners, which we saved all year to trade in for pony rides in the summer.

That frosty cold glass bottle!!!!!! YES!!!!!!


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We should go back to beverage cans that require a church key to open.
 
We should go back to beverage cans that require a church key to open.
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Or at least the ones with the kind of pull tabs we can work into chains to put on the Christmas tree!


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so you're saying I right, and he won't?

Kid, you're gonna hafta lay of the drugs for a while if you ever wanna make any sort of sense.
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OOOOOH! There you go!

That one must have felt good!


(PS -- I'll wait for a while, for a little bit of balsamic vinegar to go on that word salad. Thanks. )












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Democrats should lead by example and quit using everything that fossil fuels produce. Like water. That would leave us 5 days at the most to listen to their stupidity.
Fossil fuels produce your water?

That's kinda weird, don't you think?
 
On the heels of contentious climate talks in Azerbaijan, negotiators from around the globe are descending on Busan, South Korea, this week with another formidable goal: the world’s first treaty designed to tackle plastic pollution’s explosive growth.

On the table is a proposal that aims to cut down on the millions of tons of plastic waste discarded each year. And a broad coalition of nations is seeking to go a step further and rein in plastic production, with a focus on restricting single-use plastic.

That notion had gained traction leading up to the final round of talks in Busan, with even the United States, a major plastics producer, tentatively backing the United Nations-led effort......

Now, few expect the United States to sign on to an eventual treaty at all. And with deep-seated opposition from oil and gas nations like Saudi Arabia and Russia — which, like the United States, produce the fossil fuels used to make plastic — some delegates are wondering whether any agreement is possible by the scheduled end of the talks on Sunday.....

There is one consensus among most delegates: The world has a colossal plastic waste problem.

The world produces nearly half a billion tons of plastic each year, more than double the amount from two decades ago, and much of that turns up on coastlines and river banks, as well as in whales, birds and other animals that ingest them. Researchers have estimated that one garbage truck’s worth of plastic enters the ocean every minute.

Scientists have also sounded the alarm on microplastics in the environment and in the human body, as well as the thousands of chemicals in plastic that can leach into food, water and the environment. Producing and transporting plastic releases planet-warming gases — if plastics were a country, it would be the world’s fifth-highest emitter of greenhouse gases. Recycling isn’t keeping up; scientists estimate that only 9 percent of plastic waste generated globally is recycled.

Developing nations have been at the forefront of efforts to tackle plastic pollution, as they have struggled to cope with waste sent by rich countries...



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We all say we love to say we "throw away" our garbage. The truth is there is no such thing as "throwing away" your garbage. It is merely transferring it from your home to another location. In the case of plastics/used clothes, etc. it usually means a transfer to a third-world nation where they dump it into the ocean. Of course, pollution knows no artificial human erected boundaries and the pollution winds up across the globe and part of our food supply.

It is possible to substantially slow down and halt the rate of plastic pollution:

"Scientists say a solution is possible. A recent paper in the journal Science estimated that just four of the policies that have been discussed so far at the plastic treaty talks could reduce mismanaged plastic waste by more than 90 percent, and plastic-related greenhouse gas emissions by one-third. Those policies include capping new plastic production at 2020 levels and mandating that new products be made with at least 40 percent recycled plastic.

“It is actually possible to nearly end plastic pollution with this treaty,” Douglas J. McCauley, a professor of ocean science at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said in an email. “It was also sobering to see that without a treaty, plastic pollution will double by 2050,” he added.

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The question is are you in favor of an international plastics pollution treaty?
/—-/ Another “good intention” agreement that everyone will sign and promptly ignore.
 
I'm fine with reducing pollution but not on board with any treaty that will just serve to raise costs on everything.

Plastics rock! They can be designed to do almost anything, cheaper and better than the alternatives. You want low friction? There are plastics for that. You want super-strong? There are plastics for that. You want lightweight? No problem. Any color of the rainbow? Simple. Weird shapes? Easy. Rigid or flexible, able to withstand high or low temperatures, chemical resistance, corrosion resistance, impact resistance, practically anything you can think of, there is a plastic for that.

Plastics are everywhere, precisely because plastics are such great materials to make stuff from. The main feedstock is petroleum or natural gas, which is cheap and abundant.

Reduce pollution? Sure, let's reduce pollution. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
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