Shooting in LA

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Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

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NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

Hey...dipshit.....why did more people die from 2 pistols in Virginia Tech shooting than with an AR-15 in Boulder?

The Virginia Tech shooter planned his attack in detail...the Boulder shooter didn't plan....the Virginia tech shooter planned on how to keep the police out, the boulder shooter didn't plan to stop the police...


With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
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At 9:52 am, approximately nine and a half minutes after the second shooting began, police started to enter the building. They couldn’t shoot their way through the chain locked entrances, but managed entry via a separate entrance. They went up to the third floor, but heard from student Emily Haas, who was wounded and survived in room 211 (Professor Nowak's French class), saying that the gunman was in her classroom as she stayed on the line. As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.

He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the centre of room 211 towards the front and, just as police reached the second floor, shot himself in the temple with the Glock 19 and died instantly.

Virginia Tech shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice......it took police over 9 minutes to find the shooter......

Notice.....as soon as the police arrived and moved on him, he stopped shooting unarmed victims and committed suicide...

adam lanza.

 

[playtime]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

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The NRA doesn't sell guns, you moron...

And, you idiot....obama packed the court.....with anti-gun extremists.....who have been ruling against the 2nd Amendment and ignoring the Supreme Court...he knew that if they simply packed the court they could get gun bans and confiscation without losing seats in congress to anti-gun votes....

you played hookey on the day your teacher taught reading comp, didn'tcha? they are mouthpiece lobbyists for the gun manufacturers that you know ... make the guns. the NRA's j-o-b is to sell more guns. & to have kept wayne laPIErre
( the little rat fucking embezzler ) in the lifestyle he has become accustomed to.

Dipshit.........where do people see the NRA information? You idiot. If you aren't already a member, you don't get anything from the NRA....so all the new gun buyers, the majority of which are minorities and women after people like you spent the last 7 months burning and looting our cities, burning and looting court houses and police stations, and murdering over 30 Americans....they bought their brand, spanking new guns without the NRA...you dumb ass.......

wayne laPIErre was on TV multitudes of times. how would i have even know his name or what therat fucker looked like?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

thoughts & prayers.

That's your input, troll?

nothing about the OP?

if it's good enough answer for the CONgress (R)s, then it's good enough for me.

Maybe we should make murder illegal?

maybe cut down on the means of mass murder.

You want to make fire illegal? Or, machettes?

nope. just rapid fire weapons of war that use 20, 50, 100 round drums using high velocity ammo capable of making swiss cheese outa scores of people in mere seconds without even having to reload.

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&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ..... so what's yer point, davey?

I'm questioning the source of your knowledge of guns...especially semi-automatic rifles.

i know 20 babies & their 6 human shields were pumped so full of what a bushmaster spits out in mere seconds, that when the cops arrived, they thought they were a pile of red rags.

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Many factors determine the severity of a wound, including a bullet’s mass, velocity and composition, and where it strikes. The AR-15, like the M4 and M16 rifles issued to American soldiers, shoots lightweight, high-speed bullets that can cause grievous bone and soft tissue wounds, in part by turning sideways, or “yawing,” when they hit a person. Surgeons say the weapons produce the same sort of horrific injuries seen on battlefields.

Dr. Jeremy Cannon, the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine.
He served in Iraq and Afghanistan and is a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserve

“The tissue destruction is almost unimaginable. Bones are exploded, soft tissue is absolutely destroyed. The injuries to the chest or abdomen — it’s like a bomb went off.” If a bullet hits an arm or a leg, he said, the limb often hangs at an unnatural angle. Such victims can need a dozen surgeries over months. “Some eventually decide to undergo an amputation if there is severe pain in the limb and it is dysfunctional,” he said.
“Bystanders are traumatized just seeing the victims. It’s awful, terrible. It’s just a ghastly thing to see.”
Dr. Cannon recalled the aphorism by José Narosky, the Argentine writer: “In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.”
His corollary: “In mass shootings, there are no unwounded victims.”


What makes injuries from these rifles so deadly, he said, is that the bullets travel so fast. Those from an M16 or AR-15 can depart the muzzle at a velocity of more than 3,000 feet per second, while bullets from many common handguns move at less than half or a third that speed. The result: “The energy imparted to a human body by a high velocity weapon is exponentially greater” than that from a handgun.

“You will see multiple organs shattered. The exit wounds can be a foot wide.”

“I’ve seen people with entire quadrants of their abdomens destroyed.”


“If they are shot in the torso, there often is not a whole lot we can do,” he said.

With a handgun, the bullets mostly damage tissues and organs in their direct path. Eventually, the bullets may be slowed and stopped by the body. Emergency surgery often can save handgun victims.
Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? ‘A Ghastly Thing to See’ (Published 2018)

i'd say that's good enough.

Very emotional. Gosh.

Meanwhile, the .223/5.56mm round most AR rifles are chambered for is a relatively small rifle round. And since the AR is semi-automatic, it's one round fired for each trigger pull, like any other semi-automatic rifle. There's nothing particularly more dangerous about the AR platform than any other rifle.

But it sure does look scary, doesn't it?

For another perspective, also from an expert, here's an article by a US Marine that says the .223 is underpowered.

i sourced ER doctors, some that saw combat & what they say carries more weight than you, davey - an apparent phallic symbol obsessed poster.


Family of AR-15 Inventor Eugene Stoner: He Didn't Intend It for Civilians
The inventor’s surviving children and adult grandchildren spoke exclusively to MSNBC, commenting for the first time on their family’s uneasy legacy.

"Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47,” the Stoner family told NBC News late Wednesday. "He died long before any mass shootings occurred. But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events."
Family of AR-15 Inventor: He Didn’t Intend It for Civilians

The AR-15 has never been used by the military.....it is not a military weapon......

The M-16 is the military weapon, you moron....the AR-15 does not have select fire capability so it wasn't used by the military....it is, in fact, the most popular civilian rifle in the United States.....

Considering that the hand gun is the actual preferred weapon of mass public shooters, you still don't know what you are talking about.

i never said that an AR-15 was military grade. learn to read what i actually posted.

i know that an AR-15 is not designed with the need to focus & get ones' victim within the site for an accurate kill. spray fanning is all that is needed & with a mag or drum, them thar multiple kills are guaranteed.

Uh, yeah, NO firearm is designed to do that, not even a shotgun. The only exception would be the M-242 25mm automatic cannon. It has a 5 mil deviation built into the system because it's an area suppression weapon.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

EXACTLY the same reason why Comrade Harris-Biden attributed the Floyd killing to racism (with no evidence to support that assertion): because it fits the Narrative.

It's amazing that after 4 years of saying how unfair it was that Trump got attacked all the time, as soon as there's a Dem in the White House, the attacks and the insults come full on.

"Xiden" "Comrade" etc etc. Emotive nonsense that says your arguments are flimsy at best.

Actually the Press is protecting and defending President Rigged.
They relentlessly attacked President Trump, and they are still doing it.

 

[2aguy]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

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NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

Hey...dipshit.....why did more people die from 2 pistols in Virginia Tech shooting than with an AR-15 in Boulder?

The Virginia Tech shooter planned his attack in detail...the Boulder shooter didn't plan....the Virginia tech shooter planned on how to keep the police out, the boulder shooter didn't plan to stop the police...


With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
-----

At 9:52 am, approximately nine and a half minutes after the second shooting began, police started to enter the building. They couldn’t shoot their way through the chain locked entrances, but managed entry via a separate entrance. They went up to the third floor, but heard from student Emily Haas, who was wounded and survived in room 211 (Professor Nowak's French class), saying that the gunman was in her classroom as she stayed on the line. As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.

He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the centre of room 211 towards the front and, just as police reached the second floor, shot himself in the temple with the Glock 19 and died instantly.

Virginia Tech shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice......it took police over 9 minutes to find the shooter......

Notice.....as soon as the police arrived and moved on him, he stopped shooting unarmed victims and committed suicide...

adam lanza.

Yeah...you should do your research, you dumb ass......he could have killed as many young children with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun...or 2 pistols...since Virginia Tech had 32 killed.....with 2 pistols, and those were adults who were able to runaway, hide and jump out windows to escape....

He targeted the smallest children in his attack because he knew they were completely helpless and would have been unable to effectively try to escape...which proved true...

And more?

the shooter at Sandy Hook attended the elementary school, the middle school and the high school.....

Why did he target the elementary school?

The middle school and high school had armed police resource officers on staff.....the elementary school did not.

The shooter in his notes, stated he saw the attack as a live action video game, and by targeting the smallest, most defenseless children, he could get a higher score....

Again, you idiot.......because of the gun free location, and the helplessness of the children who were too small to know how to run away or hide....and the shooter had planned the shooting for at least a year or more....

Also...you idiot.....the shooter stopped shooting the helpless children the moment he heard the police sirens approaching the school, and killed himself...over 5 minutes after the attack started.....

 

[2aguy]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

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The NRA doesn't sell guns, you moron...

And, you idiot....obama packed the court.....with anti-gun extremists.....who have been ruling against the 2nd Amendment and ignoring the Supreme Court...he knew that if they simply packed the court they could get gun bans and confiscation without losing seats in congress to anti-gun votes....

you played hookey on the day your teacher taught reading comp, didn'tcha? they are mouthpiece lobbyists for the gun manufacturers that you know ... make the guns. the NRA's j-o-b is to sell more guns. & to have kept wayne laPIErre
( the little rat fucking embezzler ) in the lifestyle he has become accustomed to.

Dipshit.........where do people see the NRA information? You idiot. If you aren't already a member, you don't get anything from the NRA....so all the new gun buyers, the majority of which are minorities and women after people like you spent the last 7 months burning and looting our cities, burning and looting court houses and police stations, and murdering over 30 Americans....they bought their brand, spanking new guns without the NRA...you dumb ass.......

wayne laPIErre was on TV multitudes of times. how would i have even know his name or what therat fucker looked like?

Wow...you are dumb.........uninformed people have no idea who he is, and have no idea what the NRA does or stand for...

again.......the largest increase in actual gun ownership, you twit....is among minorities and women....because people like you have attacked the police, forcing them to stop doing their jobs, which has increased crime in minority neighborhoods, and because idiots like you burned and looted our cities for 7 months.....burned and looted court houses and police stations....and murdered 30 Americans...idiots like you did that, not he NRA...

 

[Utilitarian]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

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Once again, I'll disarm as soon as the government does.

If arming up makes someone a "scared little rabbit", then the feds are as scared as it gets. The Obama administration in particular heavily increased its supply of arms and even started arming agencies that don't normally carry weapons.

 

[Utilitarian]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

View attachment 485864

NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

A few years ago, Virginia's legislature almost passed a law that would have considered all semiautomatic rifles to be "assault weapons." The only reason it didn't pass is because, ironically, conservative groups and Antifa united against it and protested in Richmond.

So, yes, there are clearly some powerful people that want to take guns away, particularly if they are funded by Bloomberg.

What keeps this from happening is not the NRA but instead, protesters.

 

[Utilitarian]

i never said that an AR-15 was military grade. learn to read what i actually posted.

i know that an AR-15 is not designed with the need to focus & get ones' victim within the site for an accurate kill. spray fanning is all that is needed & with a mag or drum, them thar multiple kills are guaranteed.

That's not how this works at all, actually. First of all, you can't get a fully automatic AR-15 legally unless you have a FFL, unless you're talking about really old rifles that are usually very expensive. So, there is no "spray fanning" involved with a semiautomatic rifle. If you have gunsmithing skills, yes, you can modify a rifle to be full-auto or to be capable of 3-round bursts, but that's illegal (unless once again, you have a FFL).

Second, spraying a weapon wildly might be effective in a densely packed crowd, but it's not effective in most situations. Even in a densely packed crowd, injuries are more likely than deaths. An actual kill shot usually requires some level of accuracy.

The Vegas shooting was unusual, in that it was long distance and involved a large crowd outdoors. Most mass shootings are indoors or don't involve dense crowds.

If you're trying to kill a large group of people in a dense crowd, a bomb is far more effective than a gun, even an automatic one.

 

[Utilitarian]

The NRA doesn't sell guns, you moron...

And, you idiot....obama packed the court.....with anti-gun extremists.....who have been ruling against the 2nd Amendment and ignoring the Supreme Court...he knew that if they simply packed the court they could get gun bans and confiscation without losing seats in congress to anti-gun votes....

you played hookey on the day your teacher taught reading comp, didn'tcha? they are mouthpiece lobbyists for the gun manufacturers that you know ... make the guns. the NRA's j-o-b is to sell more guns. & to have kept wayne laPIErre
( the little rat fucking embezzler ) in the lifestyle he has become accustomed to.

Depends on the manufacturer. Some gun manufacturers are closely allied with the government and do a lot of sales with them instead of with the public. These same manufacturers also sometimes support gun control measures, because many laws put their competition (particularly companies dependent on private sales) at risk.

So, there is a financial incentive for some arms manufacturers to actually push for gun control, but again, it's not about safety.

 

[playtime]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

View attachment 485864

NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

Hey...dipshit.....why did more people die from 2 pistols in Virginia Tech shooting than with an AR-15 in Boulder?

The Virginia Tech shooter planned his attack in detail...the Boulder shooter didn't plan....the Virginia tech shooter planned on how to keep the police out, the boulder shooter didn't plan to stop the police...


With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
-----

At 9:52 am, approximately nine and a half minutes after the second shooting began, police started to enter the building. They couldn’t shoot their way through the chain locked entrances, but managed entry via a separate entrance. They went up to the third floor, but heard from student Emily Haas, who was wounded and survived in room 211 (Professor Nowak's French class), saying that the gunman was in her classroom as she stayed on the line. As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.

He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the centre of room 211 towards the front and, just as police reached the second floor, shot himself in the temple with the Glock 19 and died instantly.

Virginia Tech shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice......it took police over 9 minutes to find the shooter......

Notice.....as soon as the police arrived and moved on him, he stopped shooting unarmed victims and committed suicide...

adam lanza.

Yeah...you should do your research, you dumb ass......he could have killed as many young children with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun...or 2 pistols...since Virginia Tech had 32 killed.....with 2 pistols, and those were adults who were able to runaway, hide and jump out windows to escape....

He targeted the smallest children in his attack because he knew they were completely helpless and would have been unable to effectively try to escape...which proved true...

And more?

the shooter at Sandy Hook attended the elementary school, the middle school and the high school.....

Why did he target the elementary school?

The middle school and high school had armed police resource officers on staff.....the elementary school did not.

The shooter in his notes, stated he saw the attack as a live action video game, and by targeting the smallest, most defenseless children, he could get a higher score....

Again, you idiot.......because of the gun free location, and the helplessness of the children who were too small to know how to run away or hide....and the shooter had planned the shooting for at least a year or more....

Also...you idiot.....the shooter stopped shooting the helpless children the moment he heard the police sirens approaching the school, and killed himself...over 5 minutes after the attack started.....

Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes
By Mary Ellen Clark, Noreen O’Donnell
6 Min Read

MERIDEN/NEWTOWN, Connecticut (Reuters) - The gunman who killed 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes, selecting high capacity magazines from a home arsenal stocked with swords, knives and a cache of guns, officials said.
Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes

154 rounds < 300 seconds = a round under every 2 secs.

20 dead babies & their 6 human shields = swiss cheese.

 

[2aguy]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

View attachment 485864

NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

Hey...dipshit.....why did more people die from 2 pistols in Virginia Tech shooting than with an AR-15 in Boulder?

The Virginia Tech shooter planned his attack in detail...the Boulder shooter didn't plan....the Virginia tech shooter planned on how to keep the police out, the boulder shooter didn't plan to stop the police...


With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
-----

At 9:52 am, approximately nine and a half minutes after the second shooting began, police started to enter the building. They couldn’t shoot their way through the chain locked entrances, but managed entry via a separate entrance. They went up to the third floor, but heard from student Emily Haas, who was wounded and survived in room 211 (Professor Nowak's French class), saying that the gunman was in her classroom as she stayed on the line. As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.

He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the centre of room 211 towards the front and, just as police reached the second floor, shot himself in the temple with the Glock 19 and died instantly.

Virginia Tech shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice......it took police over 9 minutes to find the shooter......

Notice.....as soon as the police arrived and moved on him, he stopped shooting unarmed victims and committed suicide...

adam lanza.

Yeah...you should do your research, you dumb ass......he could have killed as many young children with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun...or 2 pistols...since Virginia Tech had 32 killed.....with 2 pistols, and those were adults who were able to runaway, hide and jump out windows to escape....

He targeted the smallest children in his attack because he knew they were completely helpless and would have been unable to effectively try to escape...which proved true...

And more?

the shooter at Sandy Hook attended the elementary school, the middle school and the high school.....

Why did he target the elementary school?

The middle school and high school had armed police resource officers on staff.....the elementary school did not.

The shooter in his notes, stated he saw the attack as a live action video game, and by targeting the smallest, most defenseless children, he could get a higher score....

Again, you idiot.......because of the gun free location, and the helplessness of the children who were too small to know how to run away or hide....and the shooter had planned the shooting for at least a year or more....

Also...you idiot.....the shooter stopped shooting the helpless children the moment he heard the police sirens approaching the school, and killed himself...over 5 minutes after the attack started.....

Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes
By Mary Ellen Clark, Noreen O’Donnell
6 Min Read

MERIDEN/NEWTOWN, Connecticut (Reuters) - The gunman who killed 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes, selecting high capacity magazines from a home arsenal stocked with swords, knives and a cache of guns, officials said.
Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes

154 rounds < 300 seconds = a round under every 2 secs.

20 dead babies & their 6 human shields = swiss cheese.

Dip shit.......the children were in a tiny room when he murdered them.....he could have killed the same number and more with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun......the magazine capacity did not help him murder those children.....

Idiot....he specifically chose the smallest, most helpless children as his victims....and he chose a gun free school....without the police officer that the middle school and the high school had on their campus....because mass public shooters do not want a gun fight, they want to murder unarmed people......

Again...since your tiny brain didn't pick up on the truth the first time...

At the range of every other mass public shooting a rifle has no advantage over pistols or shotguns.......



again.....at the range of a mass public shooting the AR-15 is no better than a pump action shotgun....as are 2 handguns......you idiot...



Boulder....used an AR-15 with magazines that held more than 10 bullets.. 10 killed.....



Virginia Tech...2 pistols, one with 10 round magazine..... 32 killed.



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 2 pistols?



Boulder...10 killed with an AR-15 rifle and regular magazines ( holding more than 10 bullets)



Luby's Cafe..... 2 pistols....24 killed.



Do you see that the 2 pistols killed more than the AR-15?



Do you know what the difference was between these attacks?



The cops immediately responded and shot at the attacker in boulder, causing him to stop shooting unarmed victims, and then he shot himself....



Virginia Tech and Luby's Cafe, the police didn't get there, and at Luby's Cafe, the one woman who could have shot and killed the attacker had to leave her gun in her car because of stupid gun free zone laws....



Boulder AR-15 with magazines that hold more than 10 bullets...you know, regular magazines..... 10 killed...



Kerch, Russia, Polytechnic school shooting.... 5 shot, pump action shotgun...which means it had 5 shells which is 5 less than 10........20 killed 70 wounded.



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 5 shot, pump action shotgun?



The difference? The Russian police station was 100 yards away from the school...but they didn't know to engage the shooter right away...which is how you save lives....they didn't start shooting at the guy and he shot more people.....and no one at the school was armed....



So again.......in a mass public shooting the number of bullets in the gun magazine don't mean anything......the gun doesn't make the difference....



What makes the difference?



1) if the target is a gun free zone, more people get killed.



2) if someone starts shooting at the attacker, they commit suicide, or surrender, or runaway....



That is what you don't understand and don't care to understand since you simply have a mental issue when it comes to the AR-15 rifle.

That rifle had no special advantage in a mass public shooting.

 

[2aguy]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

View attachment 485864

NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

Hey...dipshit.....why did more people die from 2 pistols in Virginia Tech shooting than with an AR-15 in Boulder?

The Virginia Tech shooter planned his attack in detail...the Boulder shooter didn't plan....the Virginia tech shooter planned on how to keep the police out, the boulder shooter didn't plan to stop the police...


With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
-----

At 9:52 am, approximately nine and a half minutes after the second shooting began, police started to enter the building. They couldn’t shoot their way through the chain locked entrances, but managed entry via a separate entrance. They went up to the third floor, but heard from student Emily Haas, who was wounded and survived in room 211 (Professor Nowak's French class), saying that the gunman was in her classroom as she stayed on the line. As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.

He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the centre of room 211 towards the front and, just as police reached the second floor, shot himself in the temple with the Glock 19 and died instantly.

Virginia Tech shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice......it took police over 9 minutes to find the shooter......

Notice.....as soon as the police arrived and moved on him, he stopped shooting unarmed victims and committed suicide...

adam lanza.

Yeah...you should do your research, you dumb ass......he could have killed as many young children with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun...or 2 pistols...since Virginia Tech had 32 killed.....with 2 pistols, and those were adults who were able to runaway, hide and jump out windows to escape....

He targeted the smallest children in his attack because he knew they were completely helpless and would have been unable to effectively try to escape...which proved true...

And more?

the shooter at Sandy Hook attended the elementary school, the middle school and the high school.....

Why did he target the elementary school?

The middle school and high school had armed police resource officers on staff.....the elementary school did not.

The shooter in his notes, stated he saw the attack as a live action video game, and by targeting the smallest, most defenseless children, he could get a higher score....

Again, you idiot.......because of the gun free location, and the helplessness of the children who were too small to know how to run away or hide....and the shooter had planned the shooting for at least a year or more....

Also...you idiot.....the shooter stopped shooting the helpless children the moment he heard the police sirens approaching the school, and killed himself...over 5 minutes after the attack started.....

Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes
By Mary Ellen Clark, Noreen O’Donnell
6 Min Read

MERIDEN/NEWTOWN, Connecticut (Reuters) - The gunman who killed 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes, selecting high capacity magazines from a home arsenal stocked with swords, knives and a cache of guns, officials said.
Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes

154 rounds < 300 seconds = a round under every 2 secs.

20 dead babies & their 6 human shields = swiss cheese.

The Virginia Tech shooter used 2 pistols and murdered 32 adults.....you moron.......so according to your dumb logic, that makes 2 pistols more dangerous than an AR-15 rifle.......

At the range of every other mass public shooting a rifle has no advantage over pistols or shotguns.......



again.....at the range of a mass public shooting the AR-15 is no better than a pump action shotgun....as are 2 handguns......you idiot...



Boulder....used an AR-15 with magazines that held more than 10 bullets.. 10 killed.....



Virginia Tech...2 pistols, one with 10 round magazine..... 32 killed.



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 2 pistols?



Boulder...10 killed with an AR-15 rifle and regular magazines ( holding more than 10 bullets)



Luby's Cafe..... 2 pistols....24 killed.



Do you see that the 2 pistols killed more than the AR-15?



Do you know what the difference was between these attacks?



The cops immediately responded and shot at the attacker in boulder, causing him to stop shooting unarmed victims, and then he shot himself....



Virginia Tech and Luby's Cafe, the police didn't get there, and at Luby's Cafe, the one woman who could have shot and killed the attacker had to leave her gun in her car because of stupid gun free zone laws....



Boulder AR-15 with magazines that hold more than 10 bullets...you know, regular magazines..... 10 killed...



Kerch, Russia, Polytechnic school shooting.... 5 shot, pump action shotgun...which means it had 5 shells which is 5 less than 10........20 killed 70 wounded.



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 5 shot, pump action shotgun?



The difference? The Russian police station was 100 yards away from the school...but they didn't know to engage the shooter right away...which is how you save lives....they didn't start shooting at the guy and he shot more people.....and no one at the school was armed....



So again.......in a mass public shooting the number of bullets in the gun magazine don't mean anything......the gun doesn't make the difference....



What makes the difference?



1) if the target is a gun free zone, more people get killed.



2) if someone starts shooting at the attacker, they commit suicide, or surrender, or runaway....



That is what you don't understand and don't care to understand since you simply have a mental issue when it comes to the AR-15 rifle.

That rifle had no special advantage in a mass public shooting.

 

[2aguy]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

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NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

Hey...dipshit.....why did more people die from 2 pistols in Virginia Tech shooting than with an AR-15 in Boulder?

The Virginia Tech shooter planned his attack in detail...the Boulder shooter didn't plan....the Virginia tech shooter planned on how to keep the police out, the boulder shooter didn't plan to stop the police...


With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
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At 9:52 am, approximately nine and a half minutes after the second shooting began, police started to enter the building. They couldn’t shoot their way through the chain locked entrances, but managed entry via a separate entrance. They went up to the third floor, but heard from student Emily Haas, who was wounded and survived in room 211 (Professor Nowak's French class), saying that the gunman was in her classroom as she stayed on the line. As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.

He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the centre of room 211 towards the front and, just as police reached the second floor, shot himself in the temple with the Glock 19 and died instantly.

Virginia Tech shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice......it took police over 9 minutes to find the shooter......

Notice.....as soon as the police arrived and moved on him, he stopped shooting unarmed victims and committed suicide...

adam lanza.

Yeah...you should do your research, you dumb ass......he could have killed as many young children with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun...or 2 pistols...since Virginia Tech had 32 killed.....with 2 pistols, and those were adults who were able to runaway, hide and jump out windows to escape....

He targeted the smallest children in his attack because he knew they were completely helpless and would have been unable to effectively try to escape...which proved true...

And more?

the shooter at Sandy Hook attended the elementary school, the middle school and the high school.....

Why did he target the elementary school?

The middle school and high school had armed police resource officers on staff.....the elementary school did not.

The shooter in his notes, stated he saw the attack as a live action video game, and by targeting the smallest, most defenseless children, he could get a higher score....

Again, you idiot.......because of the gun free location, and the helplessness of the children who were too small to know how to run away or hide....and the shooter had planned the shooting for at least a year or more....

Also...you idiot.....the shooter stopped shooting the helpless children the moment he heard the police sirens approaching the school, and killed himself...over 5 minutes after the attack started.....

Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes
By Mary Ellen Clark, Noreen O’Donnell
6 Min Read

MERIDEN/NEWTOWN, Connecticut (Reuters) - The gunman who killed 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes, selecting high capacity magazines from a home arsenal stocked with swords, knives and a cache of guns, officials said.
Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes

154 rounds < 300 seconds = a round under every 2 secs.

20 dead babies & their 6 human shields = swiss cheese.

Had the some of the teachers and staff been armed at Sandy Hook, the school would not have been attacked in the first place, you idiot.

 

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[2aguy]

Yes....we have reached the point where you realize the facts, the truth and reality do not support anything you believe and post......so now you deflect....

You don't like AR-15s....you don't like them for irrational reasons, that make no logical sense.....there are 20 million of these rifles currently in private hands, a few are misused by people who don't care about the law....the other 20 million are not used in any crime of any kind.....

In fact....AR-15 rifles have kept people like you from burning and looting many businesses during the 7 months when you and your buddies were burning and looting businesses in democrat party controlled cities....the stores guarded by civilians with AR-15 rifles were not burned and looted by you and your buddies....which is the real reason you want them banned and confiscated......and you will stand on the bodies of dead people and scream and screech until you get what you want.

 

[2aguy]

Most of the powers that be would prefer to have the public disarmed.

the mantra of the NRA to keep y'all scared little rabbits... & sell more guns.

View attachment 485864

NRA doesnt scare me...seeing how abusive our government has gotten under the communists has...

the NRA isn't scaring *you* - but keeping you scared of the commies... especially the ones that will come for all yer guns.

seems they are doing a damn good job with you.

Hey...dipshit.....why did more people die from 2 pistols in Virginia Tech shooting than with an AR-15 in Boulder?

The Virginia Tech shooter planned his attack in detail...the Boulder shooter didn't plan....the Virginia tech shooter planned on how to keep the police out, the boulder shooter didn't plan to stop the police...


With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
-----

At 9:52 am, approximately nine and a half minutes after the second shooting began, police started to enter the building. They couldn’t shoot their way through the chain locked entrances, but managed entry via a separate entrance. They went up to the third floor, but heard from student Emily Haas, who was wounded and survived in room 211 (Professor Nowak's French class), saying that the gunman was in her classroom as she stayed on the line. As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.

He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the centre of room 211 towards the front and, just as police reached the second floor, shot himself in the temple with the Glock 19 and died instantly.

Virginia Tech shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice......it took police over 9 minutes to find the shooter......

Notice.....as soon as the police arrived and moved on him, he stopped shooting unarmed victims and committed suicide...

adam lanza.

Yeah...you should do your research, you dumb ass......he could have killed as many young children with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun...or 2 pistols...since Virginia Tech had 32 killed.....with 2 pistols, and those were adults who were able to runaway, hide and jump out windows to escape....

He targeted the smallest children in his attack because he knew they were completely helpless and would have been unable to effectively try to escape...which proved true...

And more?

the shooter at Sandy Hook attended the elementary school, the middle school and the high school.....

Why did he target the elementary school?

The middle school and high school had armed police resource officers on staff.....the elementary school did not.

The shooter in his notes, stated he saw the attack as a live action video game, and by targeting the smallest, most defenseless children, he could get a higher score....

Again, you idiot.......because of the gun free location, and the helplessness of the children who were too small to know how to run away or hide....and the shooter had planned the shooting for at least a year or more....

Also...you idiot.....the shooter stopped shooting the helpless children the moment he heard the police sirens approaching the school, and killed himself...over 5 minutes after the attack started.....

Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes
By Mary Ellen Clark, Noreen O’Donnell
6 Min Read

MERIDEN/NEWTOWN, Connecticut (Reuters) - The gunman who killed 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes, selecting high capacity magazines from a home arsenal stocked with swords, knives and a cache of guns, officials said.
Newtown school gunman fired 154 rounds in less than 5 minutes

154 rounds < 300 seconds = a round under every 2 secs.

20 dead babies & their 6 human shields = swiss cheese.

Had the some of the teachers and staff been armed at Sandy Hook, the school would not have been attacked in the first place, you idiot.

How do you have disagree with this.....?

The shooter at Sandy Hook picked the one school that was gun free...the other two schools that he was familiar with had armed police officers on campus.....he chose the gun free school.

If teachers at Sandy Hook had been armed, he would not have attacked the school...he was not looking for a gun fight, he was looking to murder lots of victims to get a better "score" than past mass shooters...and he planned a long time to commit this crime.....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

thoughts & prayers.

That's your input, troll?

nothing about the OP?

if it's good enough answer for the CONgress (R)s, then it's good enough for me.

Indeed, this stuff is a daily occurrence in places run by people like you. No biggie.

It's called any Tuesday in Chicago

 

[daveman]

thoughts & prayers.

That's your input, troll?

nothing about the OP?

if it's good enough answer for the CONgress (R)s, then it's good enough for me.

Maybe we should make murder illegal?

maybe cut down on the means of mass murder.

You want to make fire illegal? Or, machettes?

nope. just rapid fire weapons of war that use 20, 50, 100 round drums using high velocity ammo capable of making swiss cheese outa scores of people in mere seconds without even having to reload.

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where's the 100 round drum with it's high velocity ammo?

Do you understand that a 100 round drum makes the rifle stop working? It jams, and then the rifle can't shoot...do you understand that?

Do you understand that the AR-15 is not a weapon of war, and has never been used by our military?

When you don't understand this basic fact, do you understand why we don't take you as a serious human being?

The pump action shotgun is an actual weapon of war...in current use by all branches of our military..do you understand that?

the AR15 was the 'civilian' version.

OK, Einstein, please enlighten us to your knowledge of armament and tell us all what the difference is between the AR-15 and the M-16. We'll wait.

the M-16 is military & is full auto. the AR-15 is the civvy version & is semi auto.

Dipshit...the M-16 has select fire capability, the AR-15 does not.....the AR-15 is the most popular civilian rifle in the country......over 20 million in private hands...

leftists: there's no possible way we can round up and deport 10 million illegal immigrants

also leftists: THE GOVERNMENT MUST AND SHOULD CONFISCATE 20 MILLION SCARY BLACK RIFLES

 

[daveman]

thoughts & prayers.

That's your input, troll?

nothing about the OP?

if it's good enough answer for the CONgress (R)s, then it's good enough for me.

Maybe we should make murder illegal?

maybe cut down on the means of mass murder.

You want to make fire illegal? Or, machettes?

nope. just rapid fire weapons of war that use 20, 50, 100 round drums using high velocity ammo capable of making swiss cheese outa scores of people in mere seconds without even having to reload.

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&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ..... so what's yer point, davey?

I'm questioning the source of your knowledge of guns...especially semi-automatic rifles.

i know 20 babies & their 6 human shields were pumped so full of what a bushmaster spits out in mere seconds, that when the cops arrived, they thought they were a pile of red rags.

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Many factors determine the severity of a wound, including a bullet’s mass, velocity and composition, and where it strikes. The AR-15, like the M4 and M16 rifles issued to American soldiers, shoots lightweight, high-speed bullets that can cause grievous bone and soft tissue wounds, in part by turning sideways, or “yawing,” when they hit a person. Surgeons say the weapons produce the same sort of horrific injuries seen on battlefields.

Dr. Jeremy Cannon, the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine.
He served in Iraq and Afghanistan and is a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserve

“The tissue destruction is almost unimaginable. Bones are exploded, soft tissue is absolutely destroyed. The injuries to the chest or abdomen — it’s like a bomb went off.” If a bullet hits an arm or a leg, he said, the limb often hangs at an unnatural angle. Such victims can need a dozen surgeries over months. “Some eventually decide to undergo an amputation if there is severe pain in the limb and it is dysfunctional,” he said.
“Bystanders are traumatized just seeing the victims. It’s awful, terrible. It’s just a ghastly thing to see.”
Dr. Cannon recalled the aphorism by José Narosky, the Argentine writer: “In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.”
His corollary: “In mass shootings, there are no unwounded victims.”


What makes injuries from these rifles so deadly, he said, is that the bullets travel so fast. Those from an M16 or AR-15 can depart the muzzle at a velocity of more than 3,000 feet per second, while bullets from many common handguns move at less than half or a third that speed. The result: “The energy imparted to a human body by a high velocity weapon is exponentially greater” than that from a handgun.

“You will see multiple organs shattered. The exit wounds can be a foot wide.”

“I’ve seen people with entire quadrants of their abdomens destroyed.”


“If they are shot in the torso, there often is not a whole lot we can do,” he said.

With a handgun, the bullets mostly damage tissues and organs in their direct path. Eventually, the bullets may be slowed and stopped by the body. Emergency surgery often can save handgun victims.
Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? ‘A Ghastly Thing to See’ (Published 2018)

i'd say that's good enough.

Very emotional. Gosh.

Meanwhile, the .223/5.56mm round most AR rifles are chambered for is a relatively small rifle round. And since the AR is semi-automatic, it's one round fired for each trigger pull, like any other semi-automatic rifle. There's nothing particularly more dangerous about the AR platform than any other rifle.

But it sure does look scary, doesn't it?

For another perspective, also from an expert, here's an article by a US Marine that says the .223 is underpowered.

i sourced ER doctors, some that saw combat & what they say carries more weight than you, davey - an apparent phallic symbol obsessed poster.


Family of AR-15 Inventor Eugene Stoner: He Didn't Intend It for Civilians
The inventor’s surviving children and adult grandchildren spoke exclusively to MSNBC, commenting for the first time on their family’s uneasy legacy.

"Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47,” the Stoner family told NBC News late Wednesday. "He died long before any mass shootings occurred. But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events."
Family of AR-15 Inventor: He Didn’t Intend It for Civilians

The AR-15 has never been used by the military.....it is not a military weapon......

The M-16 is the military weapon, you moron....the AR-15 does not have select fire capability so it wasn't used by the military....it is, in fact, the most popular civilian rifle in the United States.....

Considering that the hand gun is the actual preferred weapon of mass public shooters, you still don't know what you are talking about.

i never said that an AR-15 was military grade. learn to read what i actually posted.

i know that an AR-15 is not designed with the need to focus & get ones' victim within the site for an accurate kill. spray fanning is all that is needed & with a mag or drum, them thar multiple kills are guaranteed.

How is it you keep making the ludicrous claim that you know anything about firearms?

Because you don't.