Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem
SUBTOPIC: Torment
※→ Tommy Tainant, et al,

BLUF: I do have sympathy for any person in suffering. And I would, to the extent practical and realistic, render some aid to assist. But that is not what is happening relative to the Israeli- Arab Palestinian Confrontation.


(COMMENT)

The torment the Arab Palestinian claims to suffer is psychosomatic. And it has steadily become worse through a persistent aggravation to the point that it has become a peaceful political condition to an actual physical confrontation without any apparent cause.

What the Arab Palestinian claim is "torment" is self-inflicted conflict brought on by their psychosomatic inducement → incited by a greedy mental condition that is stimulated by the need for the accumulation of wealth, the ability to influence political outcomes through power, and the necessity for a set of talents to achieve these ends. It can manifest itself in the form of political and diplomatic schizophrenia which cycles back and forth from peaceful initiatives to combative behaviors.

For more than a century, a few elements and key foreign personalities [Syria (Izz a-din al-Qassam), Egypt (Yassar Arafat), and Lebanon (Amed Hilmi)] have scratched and picked at the scab of small political disappoints to something that, was once gradually healing, to a seriously infected sore - into the dying arm that needs to be amputated.

The Arab Palestinians are not being tormented. They are being slowly poisoned by an infection that will not heal the wounds. (Very Sad)

Just My Thoughts,

Most Respectfully,
R

What the Arab Palestinian claim is "torment" is self-inflicted conflict

You clearly do not understand Zionism. Zionism is a settler colonial project. Their goal is, and has always been, all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Move the Palestinians out and move the settlers in.

Everything Israel does moves them toward that goal. Make the Palestinian suffer and they will leave.

 

[Hollie]

You clearly do not understand Zionism. Zionism is a settler colonial project. Their goal is, and has always been, all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Move the Palestinians out and move the settlers in.

Everything Israel does moves them toward that goal. Make the Palestinian suffer and they will leave.

That, of course, is the Islamist, Jew hating narrative you folks like to press.

In the other hand, we have the written text and explicit actions of the Pallys whose words and actions define their goal is and has always been, all of Palestine without the Jews.

 

[Correll]

It is just a war.

No side is free from guilt.

As long as the Arabs don't have representation, and are not free, it is still a war, undeclared. It is a human rights violation.

They should integrate into one nation, or free them.

Israel likes that status quo, keeping them enslaved. It does not have to give them representation, nor does it need to give them their own political sovereignty.

Oppression comes without a cost.

And the Arabs are idiots. They have been given peace proposals. They have never been in a position to bargain, but they have refused each and every olive branch.

How do you integrate into your society, a population that wants to kill you?

 

[Correll]

You clearly do not understand Zionism. Zionism is a settler colonial project. Their goal is, and has always been, all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Move the Palestinians out and move the settlers in.

Everything Israel does moves them toward that goal. Make the Palestinian suffer and they will leave.

The op is a palestinian killing a jew. I take it your position is that the jews made him kill the jew?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The op is a palestinian killing a jew. I take it your position is that the jews made him kill the jew?

You missed the point of my post, I see.

 

[Correll]

You missed the point of my post, I see.

no, I think I got it fine. A jew is killed and you attack the jews and state taht it is their fault.

 

[rylah]

You clearly do not understand Zionism. Zionism is a settler colonial project. Their goal is, and has always been, all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Move the Palestinians out and move the settlers in.

Everything Israel does moves them toward that goal. Make the Palestinian suffer and they will leave.

That was actually the situation under Muslim rule,
and how Zionism started when Arabs expelled the local
Jewish community form all the holy cities and the following pogroms.

So if you think a narrative can justify the murder of Jews,
then we're back to square one - aren't you intending to
justify the murder expecting Jews to suffer and leave?

 

[USAF 2023]

That was actually the situation under Muslim rule,
and how Zionism started when Arabs expelled the local
Jewish community form all the holy cities and the following pogroms.

So if you think a narrative can justify the murder of Jews,
then we're back to square one - aren't you intending to
justify the murder expecting Jews to suffer and leave?

That’s exactly what he wants; but it’s not going to happen. He can’t stand the fact that Jews now have access to E Jerusalem

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem
SUBTOPIC: Control over East Jerusalem
※→ et al,

Our friend "ILOVEISRAEL" has it correct.

That’s exactly what he wants; but it’s not going to happen. He can’t stand the fact that Jews now have access to E Jerusalem

(REFERENCE)

Disengagement from the West Bank

EXCERPT: "on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank. Accordingly, electoral districts were redrawn to represent East Bank constituencies only."
SOURCE: The Office History

(COMMENT)

The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) did not declare Independence until November 1988. East Jerusalem was under the Civil Administration of Israel. When the Jordanians "all administrative and legal ties" with all its holding west of the Jordan River, Israel (having the only government in place) assumed control of East Jerusalem without objection from the Jordanians.

◈ July 1920 - May 1948: Jerusalem was under the Administrative Governance of the British Mandate.​

​

◈ May 1948 - April 1950: Jerusalem was a Trustee Territory under occupation by the Arab Legion (Jordanian Army).​

​

◈ April 1950 - Aug 1988: "On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion."​

​

◈ Aug 1988 - Present: Israeli Civil Administration​

( ∑ )

At no time in the 20th Century was there any independent Arab Palestinian Government exercising sovereign control over Jerusalem (East or West). Israel did not take any control over any territory under Arab Palestinian control.

Jerusalem was either under British control, Jordanian control, or by default, Israeli control.

The terminology "Occupied Palestinian Territory" is a misnomer. It leads people to believe that the territory was under Palestinian Control and then occupied by the Israelis. That is NOT the case. It should have properly been named "Occupied Jordanian Territory." Because it was a territory under Jordanian Sovereignty before it was occupied by the Israelis.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[justinacolmena]

Palestinian, Israeli killed in Jerusalem shooting

The Palestinian man reportedly used a submachine gun and a knife to carry out an attack.

www.aljazeera.com

I suspect that the occupying forces will take their revenge on little children.What torment must the Palestinians endure whilst the World looks on ?

The commies have done just that in the United States ever since the Vietnam War.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem
SUBTOPIC: Control over East Jerusalem
※→ et al,

Our friend "ILOVEISRAEL" has it correct.


(REFERENCE)

Disengagement from the West Bank

EXCERPT: "on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank. Accordingly, electoral districts were redrawn to represent East Bank constituencies only."
SOURCE: The Office History

(COMMENT)

The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) did not declare Independence until November 1988. East Jerusalem was under the Civil Administration of Israel. When the Jordanians "all administrative and legal ties" with all its holding west of the Jordan River, Israel (having the only government in place) assumed control of East Jerusalem without objection from the Jordanians.

◈ July 1920 - May 1948: Jerusalem was under the Administrative Governance of the British Mandate.​

​

◈ May 1948 - April 1950: Jerusalem was a Trustee Territory under occupation by the Arab Legion (Jordanian Army).​

​

◈ April 1950 - Aug 1988: "On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion."​

​

◈ Aug 1988 - Present: Israeli Civil Administration​

( ∑ )

At no time in the 20th Century was there any independent Arab Palestinian Government exercising sovereign control over Jerusalem (East or West). Israel did not take any control over any territory under Arab Palestinian control.

Jerusalem was either under British control, Jordanian control, or by default, Israeli control.

The terminology "Occupied Palestinian Territory" is a misnomer. It leads people to believe that the territory was under Palestinian Control and then occupied by the Israelis. That is NOT the case. It should have properly been named "Occupied Jordanian Territory." Because it was a territory under Jordanian Sovereignty before it was occupied by the Israelis.

Most Respectfully,
R

Jerusalem was either under British control, Jordanian control, or by default, Israeli control.

Military occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

 

[Hollie]

Military occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

Cut and paste slogans do not acquire credibility.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem
SUBTOPIC: Control over East Jerusalem
※→ et al,

While you say this, it simply is NOT true. But all Palestinians want to believe that piece of political fiction, the Chinese can prove you wrong (Tabet and the South China Sea) and Russia (Crimea).

The acquisition of territory by a state (acquisition of territorial sovereignty) by an existing state can be achieved in several basic ways. The five most common are:

◈ cession,​

✪ occupation, (Hague Regulation Article 42)(placed under the authority of the hostile army)​

◈ accretion,​

◈ subjugation,​

◈ prescription,​

Military occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

While an "occupation" does not automatically mean "acquisition of sovereignty" it does not actually prevent a claim by the "occupying power."

Jordan established sovereignty (1950-1988) through self-determination that was reinforced by the Occupation. The Jordanian extension of its sovereign territory was also backed-up by the fact that:

It was NOT at the time subject to the sovereignty of any other state.

It was rejected as Arab Palestinian Territory by the Arab Higher Committee, through the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January: (See: Para 3d, A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948)

• “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

So, since the Arab Palestinians REJECTED sovereign control - it was NOT (at the time) subject to the sovereignty of any other state. And while others may argue the application of Terra Nullius (no man's land) it cannot be challenged now by the Arab Palestinian since they rejected the claim as it was offered first to them by the General Assembly through A/RES/181 (II) 29 NOV 1947 Part II • Boundaries "A" Arab State.

Israel, occupying the territory in dispute, has NOT issued a blanket claim over the entirety of the West Bank. As it stands today, the Ramallah government has full control over Area "A" and the Gaza Government has full control over that territory from which they relinquished control.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem
SUBTOPIC: Control over East Jerusalem
※→ et al,

While you say this, it simply is NOT true. But all Palestinians want to believe that piece of political fiction, the Chinese can prove you wrong (Tabet and the South China Sea) and Russia (Crimea).

The acquisition of territory by a state (acquisition of territorial sovereignty) by an existing state can be achieved in several basic ways. The five most common are:

◈ cession,​

✪ occupation, (Hague Regulation Article 42)(placed under the authority of the hostile army)​

◈ accretion,​

◈ subjugation,​

◈ prescription,​

(COMMENT)

While an "occupation" does not automatically mean "acquisition of sovereignty" it does not actually prevent a claim by the "occupying power."

Jordan established sovereignty (1950-1988) through self-determination that was reinforced by the Occupation. The Jordanian extension of its sovereign territory was also backed-up by the fact that:

It was NOT at the time subject to the sovereignty of any other state.

It was rejected as Arab Palestinian Territory by the Arab Higher Committee, through the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January: (See: Para 3d, A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948)

• “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

So, since the Arab Palestinians REJECTED sovereign control - it was NOT (at the time) subject to the sovereignty of any other state. And while others may argue the application of Terra Nullius (no man's land) it cannot be challenged now by the Arab Palestinian since they rejected the claim as it was offered first to them by the General Assembly through A/RES/181 (II) 29 NOV 1947 Part II • Boundaries "A" Arab State.

Israel, occupying the territory in dispute, has NOT issued a blanket claim over the entirety of the West Bank. As it stands today, the Ramallah government has full control over Area "A" and the Gaza Government has full control over that territory from which they relinquished control.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians didn't reject anything but partition.

REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION

 

[USAF 2023]

The Palestinians didn't reject anything but partition.

REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION

Translation ( Israel does not have the Right to Exist. At least he stopped spreading that Lie that the Hasidic Community doesn’t believe a Jewish State has the Right to Exist

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem
SUBTOPIC: Control over East Jerusalem
※→ et al,

BLUF: Once again, our friend "ILOVE ISRAEL" has hit the nail on the head. The Arab Palestinian can NOT dodge the consequence of the bad decision. They can NOT redefine the scope of their rejection.

The Palestinians didn't reject anything but partition.

REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION

Translation ( Israel does not have the Right to Exist. At least he stopped spreading that Lie that the Hasidic Community doesn’t believe a Jewish State has the Right to Exist

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians rejected the offer. The latest demand from Mahmoud Abbas, Chairman:

BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 2,099, July 19, 2021
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The demands issued by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas show a clear intention to turn the clock back. Israel cannot accept these dictates, which would have been rejected out of hand by Yitzhak Rabin.

​

I have said many times. It is a waste of good oxygen for the PLO/PA to make a demand that much of the Jordanian Occupied Territory (JOT) administered by Israel since 5 JUNE 1967 is simply a "non-starter." No one expects Israel to even consider anything along those lines.

I'm probably a bit harsher on the Arab Palestinians on the issue of territorial delimitation since I think that every single attack by the Hostile Arab Palestinian since June 1967 directed against the civilians in Israel should be considered a when reparations and considered as compensation payments made at the conclusion of the conflict. That the judgment should be issued pursuant to the procedures under Article 68 GCIV. But I believe that the Israelis would be more merciful than my alternative.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: Settler shot and killed in Occupied East Jerusalem
SUBTOPIC: Control over East Jerusalem
※→ et al,

BLUF: Once again, our friend "ILOVE ISRAEL" has hit the nail on the head. The Arab Palestinian can NOT dodge the consequence of the bad decision. They can NOT redefine the scope of their rejection.



(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians rejected the offer. The latest demand from Mahmoud Abbas, Chairman:

BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 2,099, July 19, 2021
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The demands issued by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas show a clear intention to turn the clock back. Israel cannot accept these dictates, which would have been rejected out of hand by Yitzhak Rabin.

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I have said many times. It is a waste of good oxygen for the PLO/PA to make a demand that much of the Jordanian Occupied Territory (JOT) administered by Israel since 5 JUNE 1967 is simply a "non-starter." No one expects Israel to even consider anything along those lines.

I'm probably a bit harsher on the Arab Palestinians on the issue of territorial delimitation since I think that every single attack by the Hostile Arab Palestinian since June 1967 directed against the civilians in Israel should be considered a when reparations and considered as compensation payments made at the conclusion of the conflict. That the judgment should be issued pursuant to the procedures under Article 68 GCIV. But I believe that the Israelis would be more merciful than my alternative.

Most Respectfully,
R

When two or more parties reach a agreement there has to be SOME benefit to everyone involved. Why would Israel VOLUNTEER to have no access ️ to their Religious sites?
Tinmore will have no response( he never does

 

[rylah]

Military occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

How did Arabs occupy the land?

 

[rylah]

The Palestinians didn't reject anything but partition.

REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION

So to you, does such a word salad suppose to justify murder?

 

[USAF 2023]

So to you, does such a word salad suppose to justify murder?

Of course it does