Serious question...will Trump secure the election for Hillary (or Bern)

[iamwhatiseem]

As I sit and watch Trump bloviate and mouth off about everything and nothing at the same time...how the media (besides Fox) pretty much give him full ground to say whatever he wants...I mean...if you are for a Democrat win - why on earth go after Trump?? He is the best chance Hillary has to win.
Trump is all noise and no policy. Hollering out what his base wants to hear without a single clue as to just how he would do it. How is it this guy can pretty much claim anything he wants and his followers blindly believe it.
This happened 8 years ago....remember fellow conservatives?
History does repeat itself...except this time the candidate will lose.

 

[Toro]

Trump could beat Hillary. He could also lead the Republicans to an epic Goldwaterian type disaster. I'd bet on the latter, but the former isn't out of the question. He's a high-risk candidate.

Trump's strength is with blue collar workers, the Reagan Democrats, who form part of Hillary's base. He could eat into that, and if he brought in new voters, he might win.

However, he would almost certainly lose educated voters, and probably in the suburbs, perhaps badly. Trump being Trump, he's liable to do something so stupid, voters outside his base could overwhelmingly vote against him. He has the highest negatives of any Presidential candidate ever, and has by far the least cross-over appeal of all the Republican candidates. His support is a mile deep and a yard wide.

But the electorate might be so sick of Hillary and the Clintons, maybe they'd vote for him.

I actually think he might have a more difficult time beating Bernie. Bernie blunts some of Trump's appeal and anti-establishment feeling. Sanders is also genuine. Trump is a snake-oil salesman. Sanders is loopy, but he's honest, and the electorate may take to that.

 

[sarahgop]

Trump is the only one that can win states romney lost.

 

[Compost]

The more Trump talks the more he sounds like a loon. He's calling GWB a liar and blaming him for 9/11 and for the war. He sounds like an unhinged lefty. It was unseemly enough to call Cruz a liar. Trump is out of control.

Yes, I think Trump has gone too far. What used to be refreshing outspokenness has morphed into ugly unfounded allegations. He might as well join Code Pink.

Will this help democrats? Well, I know one thing. Trumps behavior sure isn't helping the right.

 

[JoeB131]

The more Trump talks the more he sounds like a loon. He's calling GWB a liar and blaming him for 9/11 and for the war. He sounds like an unhinged lefty. It was unseemly enough to call Cruz a liar. Trump is out of control.

Yes, I think Trump has gone too far. What used to be refreshing outspokenness has morphed into ugly unfounded allegations. He might as well join Code Pink.

Will this help democrats? Well, I know one thing. Trumps behavior sure isn't helping the right.

Guy, you work on the assumption that anyone still cares about George W. Bush. If anyone did, Jeb wouldn't be running fourth or fifth in South Carolina after spending hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

As I sit and watch Trump bloviate and mouth off about everything and nothing at the same time...how the media (besides Fox) pretty much give him full ground to say whatever he wants...I mean...if you are for a Democrat win - why on earth go after Trump?? He is the best chance Hillary has to win.
Trump is all noise and no policy. Hollering out what his base wants to hear without a single clue as to just how he would do it. How is it this guy can pretty much claim anything he wants and his followers blindly believe it.
This happened 8 years ago....remember fellow conservatives?
History does repeat itself...except this time the candidate will lose.

Yes trump being the nominee would secure Hillary or Bernie being president of the US. Eventually trump will say something really stupid (like Romneys 48% comment) and lose it for the GOP. I'd say I wish he would be the nominee but then that would guarantee either Hillary or Bernie and I dont want that either.

 

[Mac1958]

... as the case for the viable alternative party grows....

 

[JoeB131]

Here's why Trump could win. Because we live in a society that confuses celebrity with merit.

Most Americans can't tell you the difference between Supply Side and Keynesian economics, but they can tell you how the Immunity Challenge on Survivor works.

They can't name the Justices on the Supreme Court, but they can tell you who the judges on American Idol is.

They can't name their Senator or their Congressman, but they can tell you who is on the Bachelor this season.

The point is, millions of people watched Donald Trump every week doing a fake business game show with marginal celebrities. Few people watch C-Span.

And why I think the guy is pretty much a Nazi, there are things he says I agree with. I agree with him that Free Trade has been a steaming shit sandwich for the working class in this country. and when they look at politicians who have been bought and paid for by Soros and Koch, what Trump says resonates.

 

[imawhosure]

As I sit and watch Trump bloviate and mouth off about everything and nothing at the same time...how the media (besides Fox) pretty much give him full ground to say whatever he wants...I mean...if you are for a Democrat win - why on earth go after Trump?? He is the best chance Hillary has to win.
Trump is all noise and no policy. Hollering out what his base wants to hear without a single clue as to just how he would do it. How is it this guy can pretty much claim anything he wants and his followers blindly believe it.
This happened 8 years ago....remember fellow conservatives?
History does repeat itself...except this time the candidate will lose.

No! lol.

Let me rephrase....."doubt it."

Let me rephrase again, "depends on what the election is about." Yep, that is the ticket-) If the election comes down to issues, then the Republicans win handily. If it comes down to personality, then it is all about who looks worse.

Personally, I can't see any GOPer with a smart campaign losing to Hillary on honesty, being trustworthy, or enthusiasm.

Bernie? As a Socialist, just that word will turn off 95% of the people over 35, which is why you see lefties on here being insistent that it is DEMOCRATIC Socialism. They are attempting to redefine what it is, to make it appear more palatable. (note to lefties, not working, lol)

As of the way it looks at this moment..............it is all about the GOPers, and NOT about the Democrats. The GOP will NOT lose because they are going to get swamped by massive Democratic turnout, if they lose, it will be because they didn't show up to vote.

The worst thing that could happen for the GOP is----------> If the DNC finds a way to gracefully throw Hillary under the bus, and bring someone else in. Then you are correct, personality will become a huge issue, one that I fear, Trump can not win.....if he is indeed the nominee.

And so in summation--------> The GOP is in the drivers seat as the election rests totally on if they can get their voters out, and NOT on what the Democrats do as their is no enthusiasm for a Hillary Clinton Presidency; and Bernies support is far more of what you describe as Trumps.

Conversely, if the Democrats have already devised a way to dump Hillary if her enthusiasm lags and will do it if they have to, then the Democrats are in the drivers seat. There is no defensive posture the GOP can take for that eventuality if indeed it happens, and unless Trump supporters have their head buried in the sand, even they would have to admit that Trump V Hillary or Bernie is a totally different animal, then Trump V Biden, or Warren.

 

[JoeB131]

... as the case for the viable alternative party grows....

Not really.

Hey, let's look at the history of 'Third Party" candidates in the last century.

Ralph Nader- Enviro-nut.
Pat Buchanan - Nazi
Perot - Crazy person
John Anderson - Flake
George Wallace - Racist
Strom Thrumond- Racist
Henry Wallace- Communist

If Republicans are the Daddy Part, and Democrats are the Mommy Party, third Parties are the creepy uncle who gives you beer and porno mags.

 

[Iceweasel]

This much is a given. The main stream media will always side with the Democrat. If Trump secured the nomination and they started out even, Hillary would pull ahead by way of manipulating the middle roaders. And they have a LOT of ammo.

It's weird because Trump is not a conservative, listen to the bullshit about W Bush and Iraq. All left wing taking points that were debunked long ago. His only appeal as far as I can see is he's a ruthless businessman and many people are tired of the US taking it in the shorts.

 

[Auld Phart]

... as the case for the viable alternative party grows....

Not really.

Hey, let's look at the history of 'Third Party" candidates in the last century.

Ralph Nader- Enviro-nut.
Pat Buchanan - Nazi
Perot - Crazy person
John Anderson - Flake
George Wallace - Racist
Strom Thrumond- Racist
Henry Wallace- Communist

If Republicans are the Daddy Part, and Democrats are the Mommy Party, third Parties are the creepy uncle who gives you beer and porno mags.

Ralph Nader- Enviro-nut.
Pat Buchanan - Nazi
Perot - Crazy person
John Anderson - Flake
George Wallace - Racist
Strom Thrumond- Racist
Henry Wallace- Communist

The key word 'viable'.

 

[SAYIT]

...Trump is all noise and no policy. Hollering out what his base wants to hear without a single clue as to just how he would do it. How is it this guy can pretty much claim anything he wants and his followers blindly believe it...

The Donald has tapped the angry, disillusioned and disenfranchised vein of America, just as Bernie has tapped the growing socialist wing. Both blindly believe anything that dribbles from their glorious leader's mouths.

Trump could beat Hillary. He could also lead the Republicans to an epic Goldwaterian type disaster. I'd bet on the latter, but the former isn't out of the question. He's a high-risk candidate.

Trump's strength is with blue collar workers, the Reagan Democrats, who form part of Hillary's base. He could eat into that, and if he brought in new voters, he might win.

However, he would almost certainly lose educated voters, and probably in the suburbs, perhaps badly. Trump being Trump, he's liable to do something so stupid, voters outside his base could overwhelmingly vote against him. He has the highest negatives of any Presidential candidate ever, and has by far the least cross-over appeal of all the Republican candidates. His support is a mile deep and a yard wide..

He has brought in new voters and energized normally apathetic voters, many from the Dems blue collar brigade but, as you note, he has alienated many including Repubs and conservatives.

I'd say his support is a mile wide and a yard deep.

 

[JoeMoma]

... as the case for the viable alternative party grows....

Not really.

Hey, let's look at the history of 'Third Party" candidates in the last century.

Ralph Nader- Enviro-nut.
Pat Buchanan - Nazi
Perot - Crazy person
John Anderson - Flake
George Wallace - Racist
Strom Thrumond- Racist
Henry Wallace- Communist

If Republicans are the Daddy Part, and Democrats are the Mommy Party, third Parties are the creepy uncle who gives you beer and porno mags.

Had Perot not dropped out in the middle of his campaign, only to jump back in at the last minute, he may have won.

 

[JoeMoma]

The Donald may be our next President.

Wonder if he has an enemy list or just a good memory.

 

[Compost]

The more Trump talks the more he sounds like a loon. He's calling GWB a liar and blaming him for 9/11 and for the war. He sounds like an unhinged lefty. It was unseemly enough to call Cruz a liar. Trump is out of control.

Yes, I think Trump has gone too far. What used to be refreshing outspokenness has morphed into ugly unfounded allegations. He might as well join Code Pink.

Will this help democrats? Well, I know one thing. Trumps behavior sure isn't helping the right.

Guy, you work on the assumption that anyone still cares about George W. Bush. If anyone did, Jeb wouldn't be running fourth or fifth in South Carolina after spending hundreds of millions of dollars.

Girl, you're missing the point. It is not about caring about GWB. It is about Trump yelling LIAR! all over the place INCLUDING accusations, old accusations that have long ago been disproved. Trump is showing himself to be an unhinged bully who isn't getting his way so he lashes out at everybody.

 

[JoeB131]

Had Perot not dropped out in the middle of his campaign, only to jump back in at the last minute, he may have won.

Yes, that is damned scary. there was no way someone that nutty ever should have been put in charge of the nukes.

That said, the 12th amendment has a solution to that. If no one gets a majority in the electoral college, Congress decides the election.

While the EC has it's flaws, it does have a guard against a plurality losing its mind.

A better system would be to have what the French have- You have an election where everyone can run a party, but if no one gets 50%, you have a run-off between the top two.

 

[The VOR]

Here's why Trump could win. Because we live in a society that confuses celebrity with merit.

Most Americans can't tell you the difference between Supply Side and Keynesian economics, but they can tell you how the Immunity Challenge on Survivor works.

They can't name the Justices on the Supreme Court, but they can tell you who the judges on American Idol is.

They can't name their Senator or their Congressman, but they can tell you who is on the Bachelor this season.

The point is, millions of people watched Donald Trump every week doing a fake business game show with marginal celebrities. Few people watch C-Span.

In other words, the majority of Americans are stupid. I won't say most, but definitely the majority.

 

[Disir]

As I sit and watch Trump bloviate and mouth off about everything and nothing at the same time...how the media (besides Fox) pretty much give him full ground to say whatever he wants...I mean...if you are for a Democrat win - why on earth go after Trump?? He is the best chance Hillary has to win.
Trump is all noise and no policy. Hollering out what his base wants to hear without a single clue as to just how he would do it. How is it this guy can pretty much claim anything he wants and his followers blindly believe it.
This happened 8 years ago....remember fellow conservatives?
History does repeat itself...except this time the candidate will lose.

Trump put several of his positions up on his website. Nobody could get over the wall.
And I ask, what is the difference between his type of bullshitting and the more subdued type of bullshit? They are all up there catering to whatever they think the public wants to hear because the money and the strategy had already been decided.

There were a few candidates that I would not have minded hearing what they had to say but, again, the money and the strategy had already been decided. I don't think that the Republicans had a strong enough candidate to begin with.

 

[JoeB131]

Girl, you're missing the point. It is not about caring about GWB. It is about Trump yelling LIAR! all over the place INCLUDING accusations, old accusations that have long ago been disproved. Trump is showing himself to be an unhinged bully who isn't getting his way so he lashes out at everybody.

Except no one has really "disproven" that Bush had lied.

In fact, polls show a majority of Americans really do think he lied about Iraq. Even bigger majorities agree now that Iraq was a HUGE mistake.

So if Jeb really wants to refight the Iraq War, "Bring it on" to coin a phrase.