serious question on core Jewish belief

[emilynghiem]

"We’ve been seeing that term “particularism” quite often this month. At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people." -Mosaic Magazine

Q1 - How could a universal God have a chosen people? If God has a chosen people, He isn't universal. If universal, can't have a chosen people because He stands in a different relationship to some, i.e., is a different kind of God.

Q2 - How is chosen-people-ism different from white supremacy?

Dear Street Juice
Whoever shall be chief of all shall be servant to all.

With Scriptural Laws and Authority, the Jewish Torah came first, then the Christian Bible, then the Muslim Quran (and the Bahai came out of Islamic and Middle Eastern culture).

With Natural laws and secular authority, these were put into written laws from the Code of Hammurabi to the European and English Laws that later were consolidated with other sources to produce the US Constitution and Bill of Rights (and later Civil Rights laws and Code of Ethics for Govt Service).

This progression may be seen as headed by Elders, but the lineage also carries greater responsibility for helping other people and nations.

It comes out even if you consider both the privileges AND responsibilities that come with KNOWLEDGE of the laws.

The US holds a key position in being founded on both church and state laws.

So we have greater responsibility to teach and empower all people equally to invoke these laws to keep both church and state in line with serving the best interests of the people.

The Jewish are the Elders of the churched fold, and have equal burdens as benefits in being leaders of their respective lineage.

 

[Colin norris]

"We’ve been seeing that term “particularism” quite often this month. At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people." -Mosaic Magazine

Q1 - How could a universal God have a chosen people? If God has a chosen people, He isn't universal. If universal, can't have a chosen people because He stands in a different relationship to some, i.e., is a different kind of God.

Q2 - How is chosen-people-ism different from white supremacy?

How could only people who believe a Jewish rabbi is g-d be the only people to get into heaven?

How could any rational person believe there is such things as God and heavens?
It's ridiculous.

 

[ding]

"We’ve been seeing that term “particularism” quite often this month. At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people." -Mosaic Magazine

Q1 - How could a universal God have a chosen people? If God has a chosen people, He isn't universal. If universal, can't have a chosen people because He stands in a different relationship to some, i.e., is a different kind of God.

Q2 - How is chosen-people-ism different from white supremacy?

Wouldn't the answer depend upon what they were chosen for?

 

[ding]

"We’ve been seeing that term “particularism” quite often this month. At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people." -Mosaic Magazine

Q1 - How could a universal God have a chosen people? If God has a chosen people, He isn't universal. If universal, can't have a chosen people because He stands in a different relationship to some, i.e., is a different kind of God.

Q2 - How is chosen-people-ism different from white supremacy?

How could only people who believe a Jewish rabbi is g-d be the only people to get into heaven?

How could any rational person believe there is such things as God and heavens?
It's ridiculous.

I'm a rational person and I don't see how it can be any other way.

It's not a coincidence that the universe popped into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence.

 

[Meriweather]

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

First, Jews are kind to strangers among them as they have been strangers themselves. Second, I wouldn't mind being set apart from those who call God "bloodthirsty".

There are monks and cloistered nuns of other faiths who also hold the the belief they were called to live apart from society, to focus solely on God. By the way, they are also very kind to strangers.

Sincere question: What does God want of you?

 

[surada]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.

 

[irosie91]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

 

[surada]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

They didn't specify.. Solomon had many foreign wives so why not consider that the foreign wives may have been from Babylon or Syria or from some tribe like Edomites or Mohabites or Midianites?

 

[irosie91]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

They didn't specify.. Solomon had many foreign wives so why not consider that the foreign wives may have been from Babylon or Syria or from some tribe like Edomites or Mohabites or Midianites?

who is "THEY" ? The issue of controversy was centered on the diaspora and
that which EZRA said. Ezra is not a "THEY" ------but he was a very important
and powerful leader

 

[irosie91]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

They didn't specify.. Solomon had many foreign wives so why not consider that the foreign wives may have been from Babylon or Syria or from some tribe like Edomites or Mohabites or Midianites?

who is "THEY" ? The issue of controversy was centered on the diaspora and
that which EZRA said. Ezra is not a "THEY" ------but he was a very important
and powerful leader

any follow-up on who you imagine were "THEY" surada? and what "foreign wives" connotes
in jewish scriptural writings?

 

[surada]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

They didn't specify.. Solomon had many foreign wives so why not consider that the foreign wives may have been from Babylon or Syria or from some tribe like Edomites or Mohabites or Midianites?

who is "THEY" ? The issue of controversy was centered on the diaspora and
that which EZRA said. Ezra is not a "THEY" ------but he was a very important
and powerful leader

any follow-up on who you imagine were "THEY" surada? and what "foreign wives" connotes
in jewish scriptural writings?

Don't know .. Where does it say dump wives who follow foreign practices?

Oddly, they have found over 4,000 icons to Asherah in Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 44:19 "Moreover," said the women, "when we burned ...

Jeremiah 44:19 - The Stubbornness of the People

Moreover, said the women, when we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands' knowledge that we made sacrificial cakes in her image and poured out drink offerings to her?

biblehub.com

And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her, without our men? we burned Jeremiah 44:15

 

[marvin martian]

"We’ve been seeing that term “particularism” quite often this month. At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people." -Mosaic Magazine

Q1 - How could a universal God have a chosen people? If God has a chosen people, He isn't universal. If universal, can't have a chosen people because He stands in a different relationship to some, i.e., is a different kind of God.

Q2 - How is chosen-people-ism different from white supremacy?

You've been miseducated by anti-semitic leftists. Go learn something that isn't bigoted.

 

[Street Juice]

"We’ve been seeing that term “particularism” quite often this month. At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people." -Mosaic Magazine

Q1 - How could a universal God have a chosen people? If God has a chosen people, He isn't universal. If universal, can't have a chosen people because He stands in a different relationship to some, i.e., is a different kind of God.

Q2 - How is chosen-people-ism different from white supremacy?

Wouldn't the answer depend upon what they were chosen for?

No. Chosen--for any reason--seems to me to preclude the claim of universalism. Jehovah is their God, not ours.

 

[Street Juice]

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

First, Jews are kind to strangers among them as they have been strangers themselves. Second, I wouldn't mind being set apart from those who call God "bloodthirsty".

There are monks and cloistered nuns of other faiths who also hold the the belief they were called to live apart from society, to focus solely on God. By the way, they are also very kind to strangers.

Sincere question: What does God want of you?

Monks and cloistered nuns, as far as I know, don't set themselves apart on racial grounds, nor do they call for the genocide or enslavement of all their neighbors. Just sayin'.

 

[surada]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

They didn't specify.. Solomon had many foreign wives so why not consider that the foreign wives may have been from Babylon or Syria or from some tribe like Edomites or Mohabites or Midianites?

who is "THEY" ? The issue of controversy was centered on the diaspora and
that which EZRA said. Ezra is not a "THEY" ------but he was a very important
and powerful leader

any follow-up on who you imagine were "THEY" surada? and what "foreign wives" connotes
in jewish scriptural writings?

The writers.

After the Jews’ return to Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian Captivity, Ezra, one of the leaders of the people, was given some bad news: “The people of Israel, including the priests and the Levites, have not kept themselves separate from the neighboring peoples with their detestable practices, like those of the Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Ammonites, Moabites, Egyptians and Amorites. They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them. And the leaders and officials have led the way in this unfaithfulness” (Ezra 9:1–2).

These marriages with people of other nations that worshiped false gods were forbidden in the Law of Moses (Deuteronomy 7:3–4). Ezra’s heart was grieved. He tore his tunic and cloak, pulled hair from his head and beard, “and sat down appalled” (Ezra 9:3). Idolatry was one of the sins that had resulted in Judah’s being conquered by Babylon. Now, upon their return to the Promised Land, Judah was again toying with the same sin.

In Ezra 10:2–3, as Ezra was praying, a large group of Israelites came to him in repentance. They made a proposal to rectify the situation: “We have been unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women from the peoples around us. But in spite of this, there is still hope for Israel. Now let us make a covenant before our God to send away all these women and their children, in accordance with the counsel of my lord and of those who fear the commands of our God. Let it be done according to the Law.” The purpose of this covenant would be to once again set apart the Jewish people as fully devoted to the Lord and remove all connections with those who worshiped other gods. The agreement required the men of Judah to divorce their pagan wives.

Ezra agreed that this covenant was the proper course of action. He commanded, “You have been unfaithful; you have married foreign women, adding to Israel’s guilt. Now honor the Lord, the God of your ancestors, and do his will. Separate yourselves from the peoples around you and from your foreign wives” (Ezra 10:10–11).

A full list of the families involved is found in Ezra 10. The entire process took about three months at the end of the year.

continued

Why did the Israelites have to abandon their foreign wives and children? | GotQuestions.org

Why did the Israelites have to abandon their foreign wives and children? Why were foreign wives and children such a big problem during the time of Ezra?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Meriweather]

Monks and cloistered nuns, as far as I know, don't set themselves apart on racial grounds, nor do they call for the genocide or enslavement of all their neighbors. Just sayin'.

Nor, as a whole, do Jews.

 

[Street Juice]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.

Apparently, when the Jews returned to Jerusalem, now with the Persians providing the muscle, many of them remained in Babylon.

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

No, it meant they were from outside the Judean tribe.

 

[Street Juice]

Monks and cloistered nuns, as far as I know, don't set themselves apart on racial grounds, nor do they call for the genocide or enslavement of all their neighbors. Just sayin'.

Nor, as a whole, do Jews.

But the Jewish founding documents--your religion--requires exactly that. See the post directly above yours.

 

[irosie91]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

They didn't specify.. Solomon had many foreign wives so why not consider that the foreign wives may have been from Babylon or Syria or from some tribe like Edomites or Mohabites or Midianites?

who is "THEY" ? The issue of controversy was centered on the diaspora and
that which EZRA said. Ezra is not a "THEY" ------but he was a very important
and powerful leader

any follow-up on who you imagine were "THEY" surada? and what "foreign wives" connotes
in jewish scriptural writings?

Don't know .. Where does it say dump wives who follow foreign practices?

Oddly, they have found over 4,000 icons to Asherah in Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 44:19 "Moreover," said the women, "when we burned ...

Jeremiah 44:19 - The Stubbornness of the People

Moreover, said the women, when we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands' knowledge that we made sacrificial cakes in her image and poured out drink offerings to her?

biblehub.com

And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her, without our men? we burned Jeremiah 44:15

so? I decorated myself with shamrocks every Saint Patrick's day as a kid. Ezra
was very much against the marriage of jewish men with "pagan" women in
Babylon and Yemen. Remember Ezra?. The Iraqi jews are still annoyed with him.
I have known people who would not leave their houses without their trusty RABBIT's foot

 

[irosie91]

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.

Apparently, when the Jews returned to Jerusalem, now with the Persians providing the muscle, many of them remained in Babylon.

GOD selected a representative group that were suppose to be the beacon of GOD (HIS representatives/missionaries) to the other nations. And in fact Joseph would be GOD's emissary the the nation of EGYPT, Solomon would influence the surrounding kingdoms, as Daniel would be the the emissary to BABYLON, and Ezekiel the PERSIANS, etc... This group would be the linage of the MESSIAH --- who would make salvation possible for the entire world.

It's a very strange kind of missionary group whose bedrock tenet is segregation, remaining outside the rest of humanity, making it very difficult to convert, discouraging it, even, and keeping God's Word hidden from the Gentiles. The only reason we even have the Old Testament is because some Jews in Egypt translated it into Greek prior to, I think it was Ezekial--someone like that--reimposing the Torah's separateness. They forcibly broke up mixed marriages, and so on.

They did demand that Jewish men abandon foreign wives and the children from those unions after the Babylonian exile which probably cause the early diaspora.---

EZRA refused to accept marriage to non-jewish women in the diaspora------but conversion was ok.

"foreign" meant that they do the "foreign" stuff with the foreign religion.

No, it meant they were from outside the Judean tribe.

wrong-----it meant that they engaged in foreign religious practice. Remember
RUTH-----she preceded the Babylonian captivity by centuries.