Zone1 Separation of Church and State?

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Where does it say that in the Constitution?

It doesn't. Read the link for the basis of that statement.

 

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And your point is? The courts are often slow to enforce states to comply with federal laws. It probably because no one bothered to take the states to federal court. Brown v Board of Education passed in 1954, yet mandatory segregation existed in public school for about 2 more decades. My own wife attended all-white schools in Alabama in the 1960s.

My point is the ratification of the 14th amendment did not end state established religions. SCOTUS did in Everson v. Board of Education in 1947.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The incorporation story could be traced to the 1897 case of Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy Railroad v. City of Chicago.

But scholars often argue that the Court really began the process in earnest with Gitlow v. New York in 1925.
There, the Court applied the First Amendment’s protection of the freedom of speech/press against the states.

Although Gitlow lost his case, the Court would build on this doctrinal framework in a series of 14th Amendment rulings that would strike down state laws that restricted speech, press, and assembly rights.

Later, it expanded the list of incorporated rights to include the First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause (Cantwell v. Connecticut, 1940) and Establishment Clause (Everson v. Board of Education, 1947).

Constitution 101 Resources - 5.6 Info Brief: Incorporation | Constitution Center

Constitution 101 resource for 5.6 Info Brief: Incorporation

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Now we are splitting the First Amendment into components. Why are you confusing the argument down to parts of a single amendments components rather than the entire BoR.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It doesn't. Read the link for the basis of that statement.

If it is not written into the Constitution it has no basis. Do you not realize that? The fact that abortion does not appear in the Constitution was the entire basis of the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

 

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Now we are splitting the First Amendment into components. Why are you confusing the argument down to parts of a single amendments components rather than the entire BoR.

Feel free to post the SCOTUS ruling that applied the entire Bill of Rights to the states.

It doesn't exist.

 

[BreezeWood]

You really need to seek professional help. You have subscriptions, instead of only issues.

provide the tablets claimed to be etched in the heavens by the liar moses or remove those that are there, false commandments - as not to live in torment as moses for their crime against the heavens.

howabout - you have no remedies for your own dishonesty.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That you didn't know SCOTUS applied the establishment clause to the states in 1947 doesn't say much about your knowledge of history or government.

The 14th Amendment did that. You are still confused. SCOTUS does not make law.

 

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If it is not written into the Constitution it has no basis. Do you not realize that? The fact that abortion does not appear in the Constitution was the entire basis of the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

The basis for that statement is the testimony of the founding fathers themselves. It wasn't a secret. They talked about it. Read the link.

 

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The 14th Amendment did that. You are still confused. SCOTUS does not make law.

Feel free to post a link that supports anything you are saying. Because I will take what you provide and show you how it supports me instead.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Feel free to post the SCOTUS ruling that applied the entire Bill of Rights to the states.

It doesn't exist.

They did not have to rule because the 14th Amendment did it already. SCOTUS only rules if there is a disagreement over the interpretation by state and lower federal courts. No court case equals no ruling.

 

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They did not have to rule because the 14th Amendment did it already. SCOTUS only rules if there is a disagreement over the interpretation by state and lower federal courts. No court case equals no ruling.

 

[BreezeWood]

Thomas Jefferson did just that!

refreshing - though what in the christian bible is actually applicable to jesus used by jefferson and their teachings of liberation theology, self determination and the obvious refutation of judaism.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The basis for that statement is the testimony of the founding fathers themselves. It wasn't a secret. They talked about it. Read the link.

What you don't get is that commentary is irrelevant. What you are saying is a liberal interpretation of the law that considers the founder's intent, rather than the actual text and meaning of the Constitution's text held by conservatives, or as justices who are also known as strict constructionists.

 

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What you don't get is that commentary is irrelevant. What you are saying is a liberal interpretation of the law that considers the founder's intent, rather than the actual text and meaning of the Constitution's text held by conservatives, or as justices who are also known as strict constructionists.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

refreshing - though what in the christian bible is actually applicable to jesus used by jefferson and their teachings of liberation theology, self determination and the obvious refutation of judaism.

That's not anything like what he created. Perhaps you should do some research. There is no refutation of Judaism. The book ends with Jesus' death. There are no supernatural occurrences, no angels regarding his birth etc. Your interpretation is way off target.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why do I need a link? You can't cite anything in the Constitution to support your opinions. Check any high school book on government and look up the definitions. They are easy to find. I taught it off and on for 21 years. What are your bona fides?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My point is the ratification of the 14th amendment did not end state established religions. SCOTUS did in Everson v. Board of Education in 1947.

How? The decision was that the state did NOT violate the establishment clause! If they had decided the other way, perhaps you might have a point, but they ruled NJ was within its rights to pay for student transportation without discriminating against religious students.

 

[BreezeWood]

The word is "wander" not "wonder". I wonder if you knew that!

We don't know nor it it important well over 2000 years later.

well, not everyone wonders in the desert, aimlessly and do attempt to know the truth - recorded history can help.

What is the best definition of Wonder?

: to feel curiosity or doubt. wondering about the future. transitive verb. : to be curious or in doubt about.


"wander" is aimless ...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What is the best definition of Wonder?

: to feel curiosity or doubt. wondering about the future. transitive verb. : to be curious or in doubt about.


"wander" is aimless ...

You used the word aimless, so wonder would not work. You can't "wonder aimlessly". The Jews wandered in the desert, not wondered.

You can however wander aimlessly, which I am sure you do on a regular basis.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Bible Belt is much further south.

bible belt is nationwide ... the same reflections of christianity date back to the 4th century - in no time throughout history have the desert religions not been to the forefront of persecution and victimization of the innocent - home boy.