Zone1 Separation of Church and State?

[otto105]

No one cares what you think Otto.

Hilarious fingered.

 

[otto105]

Some, yes.

Not even my left hand knows what my right hand is doing

Of course, that’s how they date Rosie Palm at the same time.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Hilarious fingered.

You sure are a funny one Auto LOL

 

[Robert W]

Considering that every proposition the left makes is a moral argument, they do.

What amazes me is they still tell us church has no role with the members government. They misquote the religion clause created to stop Government from being part of Religion and keeping it out of Church issues. Biden put his henchmen into religion plenty. And harassed school meetings where members protested.

 

[Robert W]

For decades, there have been stories of the frustrations that funds, food, materials designated for the poor have been wasted, have gone to the rich, and/or have lined the pockets of "helpers"/bureaucracies. Look it up. Making sure help is getting to those in need, is not a callous act. Freezing these funds to insure they make it to the intended poor is not a bad move. Unless, one is fine with his/her taxes going straight into the pockets of the wealthy or going to waste--spoiling--on docks and warehouses?

Gay, Lesbian, Trans, etc. communities are not being harassed. Mostly, they are being ignored. People.don't.care which puts them in the same class as everyone else. How many are keeping an eye on you and your neighborhood?

I caught today the price is right and one contestant a burly man was saying hi to his (gag me) husband. Why don't they know nature made them right and that means they marry women?

 

[Meriweather]

I caught today the price is right and one contestant a burly man was saying hi to his (gag me) husband. Why don't they know nature made them right and that means they marry women?

Any sin, from the smallest to the greatest, is a matter of saying, "I don't care what God wants. I care about what I want." Or, if an atheist, "I don't care what is best for humans and the world as a whole. I care about what I want. And, let everyone else only care about what they want."

 

[Votto]

The Constitution prohibits the hierarchy of Churches/Religions from being involved in State/Federal government. Popes, bishops, priests, ministers are set apart from government. However, this separation does not apply to the laity. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states the vocation of the laity:

898 "By reason of their special vocation it belongs to the laity to seek the kingdom of God by engaging in temporal affairs and directing them according to God's will....

899 The initiative of lay Christians is necessary especially when the matter involves discovering or inventing the means for permeating social, political, and economic realities with the demands of Christian doctrine and life. This initiative is a normal element of the life of the Church….

People/citizens of faith are not only citizens of a nation, but are also citizens of the Kingdom of God. It is not only our right, but our duty to permeate the social, political, and economic realities within our governments.

Leftists be like, "We need separation of church and state to prevent stopping gay marriage or abortion"

Two seconds later............

"We need to allow illegals into the country because that is what Jesus would do, and don't tell me you are going to support Trump who is a whoremonger. Jesus would be sooo disappointed in you"

 

[Meriweather]

Leftists be like, "We need separation of church and state to prevent stopping gay marriage or abortion"

Two seconds later............

"We need to allow illegals into the country because that is what Jesus would do, and don't tell me you are going to support Trump who is a whoremonger. Jesus would be sooo disappointed in you"

Grin, and that sums it up very nicely!

 

[Robert W]

Any sin, from the smallest to the greatest, is a matter of saying, "I don't care what God wants. I care about what I want." Or, if an atheist, "I don't care what is best for humans and the world as a whole. I care about what I want. And, let everyone else only care about what they want."

Homosexuals were gifted with the body to be with the opposite sex. Why they want the same sex is crazy. The opposite sex is magnificent.

 

[otto105]

What amazes me is they still tell us church has no role with the members government. They misquote the religion clause created to stop Government from being part of Religion and keeping it out of Church issues. Biden put his henchmen into religion plenty. And harassed school meetings where members protested.

Church / State

bob

 

[frigidweirdo]

"Faiths" (labeled "policies" are forced upon the population all the time. Think back to all the COVID policies. Stop by any public school and observe all the idiotic policies forced there. So we see the government dabble in "faiths" continuously. Instead of calling it a religion we see Policies: Medical policies, educational policies, tax policies, sexual policies, gender policies. By comparison, religion is tame. You know the true difference? Government cannot force itself on religion the way it forces itself on every other aspect of our lives.

What are you talking about?

 

[BreezeWood]

America's never been a monarchy. No wonder they all say leftists can't meme.

another brain dead pug ...

On July 4, 1776, the Second Continental Congress unanimously adopted the Declaration of Independence ...

that never happened, the american revolution - just a fantasy madeup by the left.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

1000 33 socasxyz …~… Saint Ding fails TRUTH when he links nature to the Biblical REVEALED masculine God of Abraham and then attaches such a colossal falsehood to every single founding father as if he miraculously knows them. As if he knows Thomas Jefferson.

Noll Hatch Marsden Book1983 “In the eighteenth century, to be sure, nature and God were linked together, but later on the culture’s view of nature eliminated God.” (See more below where Bolded)


ding socasxyz00694 …~… The founding fathers - to a man - believed that rights are granted because we have a duty to God; an obligation. Post Aug 18, 2024


Thomas Jefferson to William Short October 31, 1819 …~… but the greatest of all the Reformers of the depraved religion of his country, was Jesus of Nazareth. abstracting what is really his from the rubbish in which it is buried, easily distinguished by it’s lustre from the dross of his biographers, and as separable from that as the diamond from the dung hill, we have the outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man: outlines which it is lamentable he did not live to fill up. Epictetus & Epicurus give us laws for governing ourselves, Jesus a supplement of the duties & charities we owe to others. the establishment of the innocent and genuine character of this benevolent3 Moralist, and the rescuing it from the imputation of imposture, which has resulted from artificial systems,* *e.g. the immaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection & visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity, original sin, atonement, regeneration5 election, orders of Hierarchy Etc. invented by Ultra-Christian sects, unauthorised by a single word ever uttered by him is a most desirable object, and one to which Priestly has successfully devoted his labors and learning. it would in time, it is to be hoped, effect a quiet euthanasia of the heresies of bigotry and fanaticism which have so long triumphed over human reason, and so generally & deeply afflicted mankind


Mark A. Noll, Nathan O. Hatch, & George M. Marsden, The Search for Christian America (Crossway Books, 1983) …~… modern Christians should recognize what the political thinking of Witherspoon and like-minded Revolutionaries involved. Witherspoon did not derive his politics from the Bible. He did not think the Christian God had a specific role to play in public life, where the rule of nature prevailed. And he did not worry about assuming an Enlightenment perspective on political matters.

Whig thought of the Revolution as pagan. But we should not entertain romantically unrealistic opinions about its Christian character. Secular processes were at work in the ideology of the patriots, and Christians like Witherspoon encouraged those processes. This secularism has had negative results, even if many of the positive accomplishments of the Revolution have served Christians, and all citizens, very well. To be better witnesses for Christ in modern America, however, evangelicals must realize why the political system is now thoroughly secularized. If we understand our history properly, we will have to join Pogo, the comic strip character, in saying that we have met the enemy, and it is us.

“In sum, the thought of the Revolution was not itself Christian. This is not to say that it lacked elements in harmony with Christian faith, for there were many. Nonetheless, the Revolution marked an advance of secularization. Christians contributed directly to this secularization, especially when they identified the Revolutionary ideology, which grounded law and governmental institutions on nature, with the revealed will of God. In the eighteenth century, to be sure, nature and God were linked together, but later on the culture’s view of nature eliminated God. When this happened, evangelicals found themselves without a basis from which to analyze and combat the new secularism, for they too had agreed that a good politics and a just society could arise merely from the study of nature. In the belief that natural reasoning and God would stay together, they married the political spirit of the eighteenth century; one hundred years later they found themselves widowed, clinging to a nature which the larger culture had decided could get along very well without God. Christians, to our very day, have continued to express the fundamentally misplaced hope that a nation founded upon nature could come back to its Christian home. But since there had never been a genuinely Christian home, the desire for return promotes only nostalgic myth-making and contemporary confusion.


“When Christians realize the mixed legacy of the Revolution, they do not have to condemn it out of hand. But if they would avoid both the mistaken loyalty of ‘real’ Whig patriots, who sought first the American cause and its righteousness, and the naturalistic tendencies of ‘real’ Whig thought, which set America’s hand to a secular plow from which it has never looked back, they must perceive the differences, as well as the similarities, between their Christian faith and the ideals of the Revolution.” …~… — from Mark A. Noll, Nathan O. Hatch, & George M. Marsden, The Search for Christian America (Crossway Books, 1983)

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[whutTHEYsay]

This is why there has to be genuine, separation of church and state

Speaker Johnson: It’s ‘a fun thing’ to pitch the Republican agenda to the public

On the one hand, Republicans are avoiding town halls. On the other, the House speaker claims there’s public “euphoria” about the GOP agenda.

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