Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona was a Green Party icon & committed antiwar pro-poor people activist...She Went to Washington & became a monster

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we should abolish the Senate and let California (the House) run America!
She became her true self. Also, the people who run California are monsters.
 

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What you are proposing will lead to massive lay-offs.
That's why he's proposing it! The entire phony "minimum wage" canard is yet another effort by the Democrats to get low-wage workers off of employment and onto welfare, where they will be much easier to control.
 

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we should abolish the Senate and let California (the House) run America!
Oh brother and yet again---raising the minimum wage does not help poor people----it causes inflation raising the cost fo living...
 

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My 3 biggest problems with the $15 M-Wage:

1. As noted above, when you raise the cost of labor then if possible the price of the product or service goes up, which means everybody's dollars don't buy as much. AND - if the price of the product or service becomes untenable, then the business closes. Why does the Left always assume they can raise the cost of labor without any consequences? There are ALWAYS consequences.

2. Some employees will get more in their paychecks, some won't because employers will cut their hours or benefits. And as the CBO noted, some 1.4 million will lose their jobs. How come nobody on the Left cares about that?

3. It's not just existing businesses that are effected but also future businesses that will never start because the risk vs reward calculation doesn't make the investment worthwhile. Do you understand the concept that money flows where it gets the best return?

Bonus: As also noted above, there are many places in the US where a $15 MW is too high relative to the local standard of living. Cities and states can and should set their own MW to fit their own circumstances. The federal gov't has no business getting involved.

The MW issue is really nothing more than pure politics, the Left playing to the voters. If they really cared about minimum wage workers, they wouldn't be supporting an open border policy.
 

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A vote against a $15 minimum wage is a vote to keep people in poverty.

That was not a moderate vote.
That was not a conservative vote.
That “NO” vote in the Senate was an oppressive vote
A standalone bill by D's should propose 12 bucks, and mandatory 18 for time over 40.
Regardless of geographical location??
Yes. I don't care if you're in Bumfuck Kansas - NOBODY can live on $7.25 an hour.
What you are proposing will lead to massive lay-offs.
The EU is quite similar to the US with each State and Nation have their own minimum wage.
If we said that people in Bulgaria should be paid the samed as Norway, then there wouldn't be a hotel, farm or restaurant left in Bulgaria.
No it won't. Do you seriously believe that small business owners are charging the same prices as they were 22 years ago? Got news for ya - They aren't. The price of a cheeseburger has doubled, yet companies like In-n-Out and Costco have found a way to stay totally profitable while keeping their prices low and starting their people at 12 bucks an hour.

Aren't you interested in moving the working poor into at least the lower middle class? You'd eliminate a lot of welfare and SNAP costs. Additionally, increased wages will be SPENT at local small businesses, benefitting the same guy who has to pay their employee 5 bucks more an hour. Trumpublicans only play the short game. Sad
 

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My 3 biggest problems with the $15 M-Wage:

1. As noted above, when you raise the cost of labor then if possible the price of the product or service goes up, which means everybody's dollars don't buy as much. AND - if the price of the product or service becomes untenable, then the business closes. Why does the Left always assume they can raise the cost of labor without any consequences? There are ALWAYS consequences.

2. Some employees will get more in their paychecks, some won't because employers will cut their hours or benefits. And as the CBO noted, some 1.4 million will lose their jobs. How come nobody on the Left cares about that?

3. It's not just existing businesses that are effected but also future businesses that will never start because the risk vs reward calculation doesn't make the investment worthwhile. Do you understand the concept that money flows where it gets the best return?

Bonus: As also noted above, there are many places in the US where a $15 MW is too high relative to the local standard of living. Cities and states can and should set their own MW to fit their own circumstances. The federal gov't has no business getting involved.

The MW issue is really nothing more than pure politics, the Left playing to the voters. If they really cared about minimum wage workers, they wouldn't be supporting an open border policy.
Exactly.
Big factories will move to Mexico or (Heaven forbid) China.
In fact this move will be great news for China. Who'd a thunk it??
 

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What you are proposing will lead to massive lay-offs.
That's why he's proposing it! The entire phony "minimum wage" canard is yet another effort by the Democrats to get low-wage workers off of employment and onto welfare, where they will be much easier to control.
Can your posts possibly get any dumber? I say DEFINITELY!! :lol:
 

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A vote against a $15 minimum wage is a vote to keep people in poverty.

That was not a moderate vote.
That was not a conservative vote.
That “NO” vote in the Senate was an oppressive vote
A standalone bill by D's should propose 12 bucks, and mandatory 18 for time over 40.
Regardless of geographical location??
Yes. I don't care if you're in Bumfuck Kansas - NOBODY can live on $7.25 an hour.
What you are proposing will lead to massive lay-offs.
The EU is quite similar to the US with each State and Nation have their own minimum wage.
If we said that people in Bulgaria should be paid the samed as Norway, then there wouldn't be a hotel, farm or restaurant left in Bulgaria.
No it won't. Do you seriously believe that small business owners are charging the same prices as they were 22 years ago? Got news for ya - They aren't. The price of a cheeseburger has doubled, yet companies like In-n-Out and Costco have found a way to stay totally profitable while keeping their prices low and starting their people at 12 bucks an hour.

Aren't you interested in moving the working poor into at least the lower middle class? You'd eliminate a lot of welfare and SNAP costs. Additionally, increased wages will be SPENT at local small businesses, benefitting the same guy who has to pay their employee 5 bucks more an hour. Trumpublicans only play the short game. Sad
Except we know the goal of the fake minimum wage push is to get more people on welfare, where you DemoKKKrats prefer them.
 

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A vote against a $15 minimum wage is a vote to keep people in poverty.

That was not a moderate vote.
That was not a conservative vote.
That “NO” vote in the Senate was an oppressive vote
A vote against a $15 minimum wage is a vote to keep more people out of poverty.

It's not my fault, or any one except yours, that you don't understand how the economy works.
 
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Can we stop calling folks like Manchin and Sinema "moderate" Democrats?

There's nothing *moderate* about denying a raise to people earning poverty wages.

We should be calling them "rightwing" Democrats.
 

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Can we stop calling folks like Manchin and Sinema "moderate" Democrats?

There's nothing *moderate* about denying a raise to people earning poverty wages.

We should be calling them "rightwing" Democrats.
They're wise to the scam you people are trying to run to get low-wage workers off employment and on to welfare, where they'll be easier to control.
 

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In her campaign Sinema was straightforward that going to Washington only to be led around by the party's leash wasn't her intention.
 

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