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Watch Seattle swirl down the Detroit shithole.Seattle just nuked itself !!!
It will be the white trash Baltimore
I really enjoy watching Bolshevik city after city destroy itself
Seattle City Council seems ready to defund police by 50 percent
If support holds steady, council can override mayor's vetowww.foxnews.com
What has worked?No but halving the police force is monumentally stupid.Reform can work yes.
However Cincinnati didn't remove 50% of the police budget and call it "reform".
They made legitimate changes... not just remove half their budget and think that is a good thing
Know the difference their champ.
And BTW - many municipal law enforcement have already adopted many of the ground breaking reforms Cincy did years ago.
Seattle isn't simply going to cut funding and nothing else .
The result is going to go down as one of the worst decisions in municipal history.
Having said that - they won't actually do it. They just want to appear to be doing it to appease the morons.
Other cities have already. It's worked.
What has worked?No but halving the police force is monumentally stupid.Reform can work yes.
However Cincinnati didn't remove 50% of the police budget and call it "reform".
They made legitimate changes... not just remove half their budget and think that is a good thing
Know the difference their champ.
And BTW - many municipal law enforcement have already adopted many of the ground breaking reforms Cincy did years ago.
Seattle isn't simply going to cut funding and nothing else .
The result is going to go down as one of the worst decisions in municipal history.
Having said that - they won't actually do it. They just want to appear to be doing it to appease the morons.
Other cities have already. It's worked.
So, a mentally ill person has a gun, has already shot someone and is screaming and yelling in the street. You gonna send in a psychologist?The police do not need military equipment. The police should not be handling mental health calls. Want to make the job a 4 year college degree and pay better? OK, I'm OK with that. Otherwise they are not capable of handling many things. We've seen it.
Reform can work yes.
However Cincinnati didn't remove 50% of the police budget and call it "reform".
They made legitimate changes... not just remove half their budget and think that is a good thing
Know the difference their champ.
And BTW - many municipal law enforcement have already adopted many of the ground breaking reforms Cincy did years ago.
Seattle isn't simply going to cut funding and nothing else .
That's exactly what they are voting for.
1. Cut funding
2. ?????
3. Effective low impact policing?
We can see how it has worked elsewhere.
The 2018 crime rate in Cincinnati, OH is 518 (City-Data.com crime index), which is 1.9 times greater than the U.S. average. It was higher than in 96.3% U.S. cities.
And Cincinnati didn't cut the funding for their PD by 50% either. Fewer cops = more crime. Unavoidable.
Cincinnati is not Seattle and Washington state is not Ohio, meaning the laws are different, the governing i different and the circumstances are different. Meaning what works in Cinci or anywhere else might not work in Seattle. The Seattle city council wants to cut PD funding for the rest of this year by 50%. There's no word about what their plans are to maintain law and order, frankly I suspect they don't have any beyond the wistful return to the "summer of love". Good luck with that. I know of no example in history where a big drop in your police force did not result in a significant boost in crime.
Fewer cops does not mean more crime. It means they are freed up to not go on "mental health" call as people actually trained in that can do that.
"Fewer cops does not mean more crime."
Show me one place where a city had fewer cops out there without more crime. You are lying sir.
About those mental health calls, how many of them are some kind of 'domestic disturbances' where somebody has a knife or a gun and is somewhat overly-excited? You wanna send a social worker out for that? I dunno if that is the answer, although I wouldn't doubt there are many other cases that do not require a uniformed cop with a gun. I kinda doubt a major city like Seattle can get by with half of it's police force though.
To me, the big thing with police misconduct is the lack of accountability. You just can't allow a bad cop to stay on your police force, and that occurs way too often in our major city PDs. Which are run by the democrats in almost all cases. Bad cops should be prosecuted or fired if the evidence warrants it, depending on the seriousness of the incident in question. And past history has to be considered. And none of this immunity stuff either, a badge doesn't give you the privilege to beatup or shoot somebody.
OTOH, when confronted by the police you need to STFU and comply with his directions. And you can expect to be shot if you make a move that could reasonably be construed as threatening. The cop has a right to go home to his wife and kids too.
The ironic thing is most of the issues that create the police mentality of being more important than everyone else comes from large cities under democratic control, with their excessive rules and regulations.
So cops can park in front of hydrants and bus stops overnight, but regular people can't.
They can park all over the place by their precincts, but regular people can't
They can keep firearms at home for their protection without spending money and time, but regular people can't.
Police and government employees were meant to be civil SERVANTS, not a new class of knights/nobility with more perks than the rest of us.
So why are you arguing to end that?
I am saying police need to be held more accountable and to a higher standard, but defunding them is pknopp, i.e. retarded
Fyi I am calling you a fucking retard if you are having trouble getting the point
The police do not need military equipment. The police should not be handling mental health calls. Want to make the job a 4 year college degree and pay better? OK, I'm OK with that. Otherwise they are not capable of handling many things. We've seen it.
Do you deflect often when you can't produce the goods?What worked? Defunding the budget by 50%....and it worked?Reform can work yes.
However Cincinnati didn't remove 50% of the police budget and call it "reform".
They made legitimate changes... not just remove half their budget and think that is a good thing
Know the difference their champ.
And BTW - many municipal law enforcement have already adopted many of the ground breaking reforms Cincy did years ago.
Seattle isn't simply going to cut funding and nothing else .
Right, we know that, they're going to cut funding and increase crime.
It's worked elsewhere and will also in Seattle.
Please provide a link to that one.
I have to chuckle. The "defund" part is to disband the unions but now we have the right arguing against that.
They "disbanded" their department. Does that mean there are no police?
This city disbanded its police department 7 years ago. Here's what happened next
Yeah Camden, let me tell you about Camden. They disbanded their police force and joined up with other cities in their county to create a county police force and ended up with more cops on the streets of Camden then they had before. Now Camden is not a particularly large city, around 75,000 or so if I remember right. So what worked for them isn't going to work for Seattle, Minnesota, and other big cities cuz the surrounding towns don't have the money to pay for policing the big city next door.
One more time, fewer cops on the street ALWAYS results in more crime.
Camden ended up paying less. Remember, they got rid of the police union.
... and the city police department was scrapped and replaced with a county-run department that received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants. Because the move involved busting the police union, a frequent opponent of meaningful reforms, the new department was able to hire cops at lower wages.
Camden dismantled police after GOP budget cuts, went on hiring spree
The most dangerous city in the US dissolved its police and crime plummeted. Some say the truth is more complicated.www.salon.com
Sure they did, and they ended up with more cops than before. How? They got a lot of money form the state of New Jersey and federal funding from the Obama Admin. I highly Seattle can defund their PD by 50% without busting their Police Union. Camden 'received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants, Saolon's words, not mine. Wiill the tate of Washington pony-up a bunch of money for Seattle? Could be, but I highly doubt they'll get tens of millions in federal grants, cuz I don't think the federal gov't can or should subsidize local depts for every city that has had police issues and wants to disband or defund. Far as I'm concerned, that should be on the states and counties, and cities to provide public safety and security as they see fit and pay for it themselves.
Busting the police union is a large part of the idea. The head of the police union in Seattle had to have a lawsuit filed against him because he wouldn't quit wearing his "white power" patch. Do you really think that Seattle won't jump at the chance to defund him?
Getting rid of the head of the union is one thing, but getting rid of the whole union is another. Hey, I'm all for it, that's how Camden managed to disband their PD and still end up more cops on the street, cuz they were paying them less in total compensation after the union went away. Which came back BTW, I'm wondering what'll happen a few years down the road when that union starts bargaining for their next contract. Will Camden end up right back where they started 10 years from now? Blue state, democrats running it, yeah I'd bet money on it.
But Seattle and Minneapolis and the other major cities are another story. They can't do what Camden did, bounce the union and have the county take over the policing. I haven't heard anybody talking about what the legalities are in Washington or Minnesota for public unions, legislation would probably have to be passed and adjudicated in the courts before anything major can change.
And the other thing is the rank and file cops, how many in Seattle and every other big city that wants to defund or disband the PD re going to relocate to a smaller town or go into private security? Somehow I don't think the quality of your new PD or whatever it will be called, will be improved.
There is one important fact missing from all the replies that we can't do this or we can't do that.
We will institute reform or the country will burn.
...how can something be reformed for the better if nothing is really wrong??!!!!from YOUR link
.....NO evidence of police brutality and NO evidence those shootings were unjustified!!!!!!!!!! = your link is worthless and proves nothingPolice had killed 15 young black men in the six years leading up to the 2001 shooting death of Timothy Thomas. The ACLU had filed a class action suit alleging that the police had violated the civil rights of 14 young black men by shooting them, profiling them and illegally stopping and searching them.
AND --AND ---AND--this proves MY point in the link I posted:
....15 killed in 6 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...less than 3 per year!!!!!!!!!!!--how many unjustified???!!! 1??? 1 in 3 years???!!
it's all in my link explaining that there is no problem
It's going to stop. We can argue whether something works or it doesn't all day and it's worthless. Reform is going to happen or the country burns.
hahahhahahahahahha..we are so scared....hhhhhhhhhhhahahahahhahahahahahfrom YOUR link
.....NO evidence of police brutality and NO evidence those shootings were unjustified!!!!!!!!!! = your link is worthless and proves nothingPolice had killed 15 young black men in the six years leading up to the 2001 shooting death of Timothy Thomas. The ACLU had filed a class action suit alleging that the police had violated the civil rights of 14 young black men by shooting them, profiling them and illegally stopping and searching them.
AND --AND ---AND--this proves MY point in the link I posted:
....15 killed in 6 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...less than 3 per year!!!!!!!!!!!--how many unjustified???!!! 1??? 1 in 3 years???!!
it's all in my link explaining that there is no problem
It's going to stop. We can argue whether something works or it doesn't all day and it's worthless. Reform is going to happen or the country burns.
So, a mentally ill person has a gun, has already shot someone and is screaming and yelling in the street. You gonna send in a psychologist?The police do not need military equipment. The police should not be handling mental health calls. Want to make the job a 4 year college degree and pay better? OK, I'm OK with that. Otherwise they are not capable of handling many things. We've seen it.
hahahhahahahahahha..we are so scared....hhhhhhhhhhhahahahahhahahahahahfrom YOUR link
.....NO evidence of police brutality and NO evidence those shootings were unjustified!!!!!!!!!! = your link is worthless and proves nothingPolice had killed 15 young black men in the six years leading up to the 2001 shooting death of Timothy Thomas. The ACLU had filed a class action suit alleging that the police had violated the civil rights of 14 young black men by shooting them, profiling them and illegally stopping and searching them.
AND --AND ---AND--this proves MY point in the link I posted:
....15 killed in 6 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...less than 3 per year!!!!!!!!!!!--how many unjustified???!!! 1??? 1 in 3 years???!!
it's all in my link explaining that there is no problem
It's going to stop. We can argue whether something works or it doesn't all day and it's worthless. Reform is going to happen or the country burns.
...STFU--
1.NOTHING is going to change..there will not be a significant change in black deaths by cops--because there's not many to begin with
2. blacks will still keep murdering blacks at HIGH rates and graduating at low rates
....hahahhahahah--you just proved to be a dumbass----a mental health professional sent to take down large, irrational jackasses that don't want to be taken downSo, a mentally ill person has a gun, has already shot someone and is screaming and yelling in the street. You gonna send in a psychologist?The police do not need military equipment. The police should not be handling mental health calls. Want to make the job a 4 year college degree and pay better? OK, I'm OK with that. Otherwise they are not capable of handling many things. We've seen it.
Please.........why not just ask what happens if Godzilla returns? We are going to quit sending the police on calls they are not equipped to handle. It's going to happen or things burn.
You don't send an imbecile to do the job of a mental health professional.
Video: Unarmed Man on Ground With Hands Up Shot by Officer
Do you deflect often when you can't produce the goods?What worked? Defunding the budget by 50%....and it worked?Reform can work yes.
However Cincinnati didn't remove 50% of the police budget and call it "reform".
They made legitimate changes... not just remove half their budget and think that is a good thing
Know the difference their champ.
And BTW - many municipal law enforcement have already adopted many of the ground breaking reforms Cincy did years ago.
Seattle isn't simply going to cut funding and nothing else .
Right, we know that, they're going to cut funding and increase crime.
It's worked elsewhere and will also in Seattle.
Please provide a link to that one.
I have to chuckle. The "defund" part is to disband the unions but now we have the right arguing against that.
They "disbanded" their department. Does that mean there are no police?
This city disbanded its police department 7 years ago. Here's what happened next
Yeah Camden, let me tell you about Camden. They disbanded their police force and joined up with other cities in their county to create a county police force and ended up with more cops on the streets of Camden then they had before. Now Camden is not a particularly large city, around 75,000 or so if I remember right. So what worked for them isn't going to work for Seattle, Minnesota, and other big cities cuz the surrounding towns don't have the money to pay for policing the big city next door.
One more time, fewer cops on the street ALWAYS results in more crime.
Camden ended up paying less. Remember, they got rid of the police union.
... and the city police department was scrapped and replaced with a county-run department that received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants. Because the move involved busting the police union, a frequent opponent of meaningful reforms, the new department was able to hire cops at lower wages.
Camden dismantled police after GOP budget cuts, went on hiring spree
The most dangerous city in the US dissolved its police and crime plummeted. Some say the truth is more complicated.
Sure they did, and they ended up with more cops than before. How? They got a lot of money form the state of New Jersey and federal funding from the Obama Admin. I highly Seattle can defund their PD by 50% without busting their Police Union. Camden 'received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants, Saolon's words, not mine. Wiill the tate of Washington pony-up a bunch of money for Seattle? Could be, but I highly doubt they'll get tens of millions in federal grants, cuz I don't think the federal gov't can or should subsidize local depts for every city that has had police issues and wants to disband or defund. Far as I'm concerned, that should be on the states and counties, and cities to provide public safety and security as they see fit and pay for it themselves.
Busting the police union is a large part of the idea. The head of the police union in Seattle had to have a lawsuit filed against him because he wouldn't quit wearing his "white power" patch. Do you really think that Seattle won't jump at the chance to defund him?
Getting rid of the head of the union is one thing, but getting rid of the whole union is another. Hey, I'm all for it, that's how Camden managed to disband their PD and still end up more cops on the street, cuz they were paying them less in total compensation after the union went away. Which came back BTW, I'm wondering what'll happen a few years down the road when that union starts bargaining for their next contract. Will Camden end up right back where they started 10 years from now? Blue state, democrats running it, yeah I'd bet money on it.
But Seattle and Minneapolis and the other major cities are another story. They can't do what Camden did, bounce the union and have the county take over the policing. I haven't heard anybody talking about what the legalities are in Washington or Minnesota for public unions, legislation would probably have to be passed and adjudicated in the courts before anything major can change.
And the other thing is the rank and file cops, how many in Seattle and every other big city that wants to defund or disband the PD re going to relocate to a smaller town or go into private security? Somehow I don't think the quality of your new PD or whatever it will be called, will be improved.
There is one important fact missing from all the replies that we can't do this or we can't do that.
We will institute reform or the country will burn.
Dood...pretty sure you can't afford that one.
Do you deflect often when you can't produce the goods?What worked? Defunding the budget by 50%....and it worked?Reform can work yes.
However Cincinnati didn't remove 50% of the police budget and call it "reform".
They made legitimate changes... not just remove half their budget and think that is a good thing
Know the difference their champ.
And BTW - many municipal law enforcement have already adopted many of the ground breaking reforms Cincy did years ago.
Seattle isn't simply going to cut funding and nothing else .
Right, we know that, they're going to cut funding and increase crime.
It's worked elsewhere and will also in Seattle.
Please provide a link to that one.
I have to chuckle. The "defund" part is to disband the unions but now we have the right arguing against that.
They "disbanded" their department. Does that mean there are no police?
This city disbanded its police department 7 years ago. Here's what happened next
Yeah Camden, let me tell you about Camden. They disbanded their police force and joined up with other cities in their county to create a county police force and ended up with more cops on the streets of Camden then they had before. Now Camden is not a particularly large city, around 75,000 or so if I remember right. So what worked for them isn't going to work for Seattle, Minnesota, and other big cities cuz the surrounding towns don't have the money to pay for policing the big city next door.
One more time, fewer cops on the street ALWAYS results in more crime.
Camden ended up paying less. Remember, they got rid of the police union.
... and the city police department was scrapped and replaced with a county-run department that received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants. Because the move involved busting the police union, a frequent opponent of meaningful reforms, the new department was able to hire cops at lower wages.
Camden dismantled police after GOP budget cuts, went on hiring spree
The most dangerous city in the US dissolved its police and crime plummeted. Some say the truth is more complicated.
Sure they did, and they ended up with more cops than before. How? They got a lot of money form the state of New Jersey and federal funding from the Obama Admin. I highly Seattle can defund their PD by 50% without busting their Police Union. Camden 'received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants, Saolon's words, not mine. Wiill the tate of Washington pony-up a bunch of money for Seattle? Could be, but I highly doubt they'll get tens of millions in federal grants, cuz I don't think the federal gov't can or should subsidize local depts for every city that has had police issues and wants to disband or defund. Far as I'm concerned, that should be on the states and counties, and cities to provide public safety and security as they see fit and pay for it themselves.
Busting the police union is a large part of the idea. The head of the police union in Seattle had to have a lawsuit filed against him because he wouldn't quit wearing his "white power" patch. Do you really think that Seattle won't jump at the chance to defund him?
Getting rid of the head of the union is one thing, but getting rid of the whole union is another. Hey, I'm all for it, that's how Camden managed to disband their PD and still end up more cops on the street, cuz they were paying them less in total compensation after the union went away. Which came back BTW, I'm wondering what'll happen a few years down the road when that union starts bargaining for their next contract. Will Camden end up right back where they started 10 years from now? Blue state, democrats running it, yeah I'd bet money on it.
But Seattle and Minneapolis and the other major cities are another story. They can't do what Camden did, bounce the union and have the county take over the policing. I haven't heard anybody talking about what the legalities are in Washington or Minnesota for public unions, legislation would probably have to be passed and adjudicated in the courts before anything major can change.
And the other thing is the rank and file cops, how many in Seattle and every other big city that wants to defund or disband the PD re going to relocate to a smaller town or go into private security? Somehow I don't think the quality of your new PD or whatever it will be called, will be improved.
There is one important fact missing from all the replies that we can't do this or we can't do that.
We will institute reform or the country will burn.
Dood...pretty sure you can't afford that one.
It hasn't been happening? Watch, if the killers of Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain are cleared, things will burn.
hahhahahahahahah...you prove everything we've been saying---you are really fkn up todayDo you deflect often when you can't produce the goods?What worked? Defunding the budget by 50%....and it worked?Reform can work yes.
However Cincinnati didn't remove 50% of the police budget and call it "reform".
They made legitimate changes... not just remove half their budget and think that is a good thing
Know the difference their champ.
And BTW - many municipal law enforcement have already adopted many of the ground breaking reforms Cincy did years ago.
Seattle isn't simply going to cut funding and nothing else .
Right, we know that, they're going to cut funding and increase crime.
It's worked elsewhere and will also in Seattle.
Please provide a link to that one.
I have to chuckle. The "defund" part is to disband the unions but now we have the right arguing against that.
They "disbanded" their department. Does that mean there are no police?
This city disbanded its police department 7 years ago. Here's what happened next
Yeah Camden, let me tell you about Camden. They disbanded their police force and joined up with other cities in their county to create a county police force and ended up with more cops on the streets of Camden then they had before. Now Camden is not a particularly large city, around 75,000 or so if I remember right. So what worked for them isn't going to work for Seattle, Minnesota, and other big cities cuz the surrounding towns don't have the money to pay for policing the big city next door.
One more time, fewer cops on the street ALWAYS results in more crime.
Camden ended up paying less. Remember, they got rid of the police union.
... and the city police department was scrapped and replaced with a county-run department that received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants. Because the move involved busting the police union, a frequent opponent of meaningful reforms, the new department was able to hire cops at lower wages.
Camden dismantled police after GOP budget cuts, went on hiring spree
The most dangerous city in the US dissolved its police and crime plummeted. Some say the truth is more complicated.
Sure they did, and they ended up with more cops than before. How? They got a lot of money form the state of New Jersey and federal funding from the Obama Admin. I highly Seattle can defund their PD by 50% without busting their Police Union. Camden 'received increased taxpayer funding and tens of millions in federal grants, Saolon's words, not mine. Wiill the tate of Washington pony-up a bunch of money for Seattle? Could be, but I highly doubt they'll get tens of millions in federal grants, cuz I don't think the federal gov't can or should subsidize local depts for every city that has had police issues and wants to disband or defund. Far as I'm concerned, that should be on the states and counties, and cities to provide public safety and security as they see fit and pay for it themselves.
Busting the police union is a large part of the idea. The head of the police union in Seattle had to have a lawsuit filed against him because he wouldn't quit wearing his "white power" patch. Do you really think that Seattle won't jump at the chance to defund him?
Getting rid of the head of the union is one thing, but getting rid of the whole union is another. Hey, I'm all for it, that's how Camden managed to disband their PD and still end up more cops on the street, cuz they were paying them less in total compensation after the union went away. Which came back BTW, I'm wondering what'll happen a few years down the road when that union starts bargaining for their next contract. Will Camden end up right back where they started 10 years from now? Blue state, democrats running it, yeah I'd bet money on it.
But Seattle and Minneapolis and the other major cities are another story. They can't do what Camden did, bounce the union and have the county take over the policing. I haven't heard anybody talking about what the legalities are in Washington or Minnesota for public unions, legislation would probably have to be passed and adjudicated in the courts before anything major can change.
And the other thing is the rank and file cops, how many in Seattle and every other big city that wants to defund or disband the PD re going to relocate to a smaller town or go into private security? Somehow I don't think the quality of your new PD or whatever it will be called, will be improved.
There is one important fact missing from all the replies that we can't do this or we can't do that.
We will institute reform or the country will burn.
Dood...pretty sure you can't afford that one.
It hasn't been happening? Watch, if the killers of Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain are cleared, things will burn.
hahahhahahahahahha..we are so scared....hhhhhhhhhhhahahahahhahahahahahfrom YOUR link
.....NO evidence of police brutality and NO evidence those shootings were unjustified!!!!!!!!!! = your link is worthless and proves nothingPolice had killed 15 young black men in the six years leading up to the 2001 shooting death of Timothy Thomas. The ACLU had filed a class action suit alleging that the police had violated the civil rights of 14 young black men by shooting them, profiling them and illegally stopping and searching them.
AND --AND ---AND--this proves MY point in the link I posted:
....15 killed in 6 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...less than 3 per year!!!!!!!!!!!--how many unjustified???!!! 1??? 1 in 3 years???!!
it's all in my link explaining that there is no problem
It's going to stop. We can argue whether something works or it doesn't all day and it's worthless. Reform is going to happen or the country burns.
...STFU--
1.NOTHING is going to change..there will not be a significant change in black deaths by cops--because there's not many to begin with
2. blacks will still keep murdering blacks at HIGH rates and graduating at low rates
We are seeing the change. You can deny it all you want. There is hardly a day that goes by now where a police officer isn't fired or arrested for excessive force.
False and stupid headline.Seattle just nuked itself !!!
It will be the white trash Baltimore
I really enjoy watching Bolshevik city after city destroy itself
Seattle City Council seems ready to defund police by 50 percent
If support holds steady, council can override mayor's veto
So, a mentally ill person has a gun, has already shot someone and is screaming and yelling in the street. You gonna send in a psychologist?The police do not need military equipment. The police should not be handling mental health calls. Want to make the job a 4 year college degree and pay better? OK, I'm OK with that. Otherwise they are not capable of handling many things. We've seen it.
Please.........why not just ask what happens if Godzilla returns? We are going to quit sending the police on calls they are not equipped to handle. It's going to happen or things burn.
You don't send an imbecile to do the job of a mental health professional.
Video: Unarmed Man on Ground With Hands Up Shot by Officer
False and stupid headline.Seattle just nuked itself !!!
It will be the white trash Baltimore
I really enjoy watching Bolshevik city after city destroy itself
Seattle City Council seems ready to defund police by 50 percent
If support holds steady, council can override mayor's veto
Defunding means to give zero money.
They're reducing funds.
De = Get rid of.
Defang: Remove fangs. Not leaving half there.
Idiot.
