Sea levels rise by 'unexpected' amount in 2024: NASA

[ReinyDays]

What strawman? I asked you a simple question.

So answer it.

Coastal Baja is quite mild compared to the Sonora Desert to the east ... that's your answer ...

I'm sorry you don't understand ... that's your problem ...

Now answer my question ... what force holds heat energy IN the ocean? ... rather than radiating, convecting or (to a much lesser degree) conduct away from the ocean surface ... or are you still maintaining that liquid water is transparent to ionizing radiation? ...

 

[westwall]

Coastal Baja is quite mild compared to the Sonora Desert to the east ... that's your answer ...

I'm sorry you don't understand ... that's your problem ...

Now answer my question ... what force holds heat energy IN the ocean? ... rather than radiating, convecting or (to a much lesser degree) conduct away from the ocean surface ... or are you still maintaining that liquid water is transparent to ionizing radiation? ...

No "force" holds heat in the oceans. Water has a very high Specific Heat capacity.

Look it up.

 

[ReinyDays]

No "force" holds heat in the oceans. Water has a very high Specific Heat capacity.

Look it up.

Then you withdraw your claim that heat is "stored" in the oceans ...

Specific heats off the top of my head are water at 4 J/K/g, dry air at 1 J/K/g ... doesn't change the fact that temperature is either equal, or forces are acting to make temperatures equal ... any stored energy would have to be shared by air and oceans, and in the proportions I've given above ... notwithstanding convection ... water takes 2,100 J/g to evaporate ... that does make your specific heat argument look really silly ...

Again ... blackbody radiators don't store any energy ... your premise is flawed from the beginning ...

 

[westwall]

Then you withdraw your claim that heat is "stored" in the oceans ...

Specific heats off the top of my head are water at 4 J/K/g, dry air at 1 J/K/g ... doesn't change the fact that temperature is either equal, or forces are acting to make temperatures equal ... any stored energy would have to be shared by air and oceans, and in the proportions I've given above ... notwithstanding convection ... water takes 2,100 J/g to evaporate ... that does make your specific heat argument look really silly ...

Again ... blackbody radiators don't store any energy ... your premise is flawed from the beginning ...

No, I don't. Water has a high Specific Heat Index. Look it up if you don't know what that means.

 

[ding]

Then you withdraw your claim that heat is "stored" in the oceans ...

The vast majority of the heat – about 89% – is stored in the ocean; about 6% is warming the land; about 4% is warming the cryosphere and about 1% the atmosphere.

Ocean Warming | CMEMS

marine.copernicus.eu

 

[ding]

Can't wait for idiots to argue it's the atmosphere warming the ocean instead of the sun.

 

[ReinyDays]

No, I don't. Water has a high Specific Heat Index. Look it up if you don't know what that means.

I just gave it to you, stupid ... 4 joules of energy per kelvin per gram ... I know this by heart ... here's another one I know by heart ... the Latent Heat of Evaporation is 2,100 joules of energy per gram ...

So where's you energy getting stored ... liquid water or water vapor ...

What force causes the heat to remain in the water and not flow to equilibrium with the atmosphere? ... for extra credit, what's the specific heat for rock and soil? ... 30% of our blackbody surface is land ...

 

[Sparker]

While keyboard warriors righteously pound their keyboards, insurers cancel policies in cities and counties where disasters are becoming more frequent and more severe. Government agencies refuse or are unable to rebuild infrastructure before it's destroyed again in the next disaster. Homeowners sell their homes and relocate.

 

[westwall]

I just gave it to you, stupid ... 4 joules of energy per kelvin per gram ... I know this by heart ... here's another one I know by heart ... the Latent Heat of Evaporation is 2,100 joules of energy per gram ...

So where's you energy getting stored ... liquid water or water vapor ...

What force causes the heat to remain in the water and not flow to equilibrium with the atmosphere? ... for extra credit, what's the specific heat for rock and soil? ... 30% of our blackbody surface is land ...

Ahhhh, getting hostile. Try again, junior.

 

[ReinyDays]

Ahhhh, getting hostile. Try again, junior.

No answer is an answer in itself ... there is no force because there is no storage ... it's a blackbody ... what you state is nonsense ... as bad as liquid water being transparent to UV ... too funny ...

 

[toobfreak]

According to the analysis led by NASA, which monitors rising water levels using satellite imagery, the world's seas rose by 0.23 inches (0.59 centimeters) in 2024, well above the 0.17 inches (0.43 cm) predicted by scientists.

Sea levels vary by location, and if NASA needs or uses a satellite from space to measure what amounts to 1/16th inch discrepancy between predicted and expected and actual sea levels, we are all in trouble.

Worse, if this was about sea levels rising more slowly than expected or antarctic ice reforming faster than expected, it would be dismissed as an anomaly.

 

[1srelluc]

Sea levels vary by location, and if NASA needs or uses a satellite from space to measure what amounts to 1/16th inch discrepancy between predicted and expected and actual sea levels, we are all in trouble.

Worse, if this was about sea levels rising more slowly than expected or antarctic ice reforming faster than expected, it would be dismissed as an anomaly.

Can't grift off an anomaly.

 

[toobfreak]

it’s actually how the ocean distributes heat that determines if the northern hemisphere is glaciating or not.

And a lot of that is influenced by the salinity of the water.

 

[toobfreak]

Incorrect. The oceans are the largest storage system for solar energy. They have been absorbing that energy from the beginning of the oceans themselves.

Water has well more than 4X the heat capacity of the atmosphere. On top of that, even as the water gives back some of its heat to the air, some of that is replaced from deep below, from the rock of the Earth and the heat therein.

 

[cnm]

Putting your head up your ass never solved a problem.

Takes one's mind off it though...

 

[westwall]

No answer is an answer in itself ... there is no force because there is no storage ... it's a blackbody ... what you state is nonsense ... as bad as liquid water being transparent to UV ... too funny ...

No storage. Why then are the oceans bifurcated into two zones, above and below the thermocline?

What IS the thermocline? How deep is it? How did the thermocline form?

GO!

 

[ding]

there is no force because there is no storage

Force? What force are you talking about? Storage of what?

 

[westwall]

Force? What force are you talking about? Storage of what?

He loves talking about quantum physics but doesn't seem to understand it very well.

Though the Specific Heat of water is an example of one of those forces he's so enamored about.

 

[ding]

He loves talking about quantum physics but doesn't seem to understand it very well.

Though the Specific Heat of water is an example of one of those forces he's so enamored about.

The definition of force is strength or energy as an attribute of physical action or movement.

So I'm not seeing how that term applies here. It would seem to me we are discussing heat transfer which is the movement of thermal energy from higher to lower temperature regions.

 

[westwall]

The definition of force is strength or energy as an attribute of physical action or movement.

So I'm not seeing how that term applies here. It would seem to me we are discussing heat transfer which is the movement of thermal energy from higher to lower temperature regions.

The definition of force is strength or energy as an attribute of physical action or movement.

So I'm not seeing how that term applies here. It would seem to me we are discussing heat transfer which is the movement of thermal energy from higher to lower temperature regions.

I was mainly making a joke, however the high specific heat of water is thanks to the strong hydrogen bonds in the water molecule.

Soooooo, the "force" holding the heat in the oceans is the strong force of the hydrogen bond.