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I really hate the blaming of the schools here. THey can't possibly stop every kind of bullying, its impossible.
Our society seems to take this attitude that bullying is a part of growing up and kids are just being kids, but the fact of the matter is we send our kids to school and subject them to various threats day in and day out that we would never tolerate at our work place. . .....
Part of the problem with public education is that very few school districts have the balls to appropriately deal with problem students. They operate under this idea that they keep having to attempt to educate these children regardless of the fact that they fuck up the learning environment for everyone else just by being there. ......
You might have been correct..."B.C." ....Before Columbine. But All Public Schools now have anti-bullying programs that are taken very seriously (there are, of course, varying degrees of "very serious").
Witness the opposition's reference to "zero tolerance policy" for bullying:
I think part of the problem is the zero tolerance policy that treats those who defend themselves on an equal or lesser par as the bullying, often subtle or hidden. Both get suspended. Any time my daughter or son (rarely, but it happened) was suspended for defending themselves, I let the school know that while I understand the whole zero tolerance thing, and that while I would not protest the one or two days off, they would not be punished while they were home.
The "zero tolerance policy" isn't the problem.
The main problem is kids: They are incredibly cruel to each other. Go into even the best behaved school, and you'll find bullying (females are much more subtle). Its inherent in the species.
Public Schools teach ALL kids. Eventually they can be expelled, but only AFTER the fact.
Parents, however, are supposed to teach compassion. This is done through modelling compassion. I leave it up to you, gentle reader, to ask yourself how you did this TODAY?
Here is the way I look at it.
1. I was a scrawny 140 pound kid when I was in high school and there were two dickheads that used to pick on me all the time. It was that experience though that got me motivated to start going to the gym and by the time I was half way through college I was 190 pounds and could bench 320 and have maintained that through today. So my point is that you can turn a negative into a positive.
2. I guarantee that this kid had a lot of other issues going on inside her head. Millions of kids have been bullied and you only rarely hear about a bullied kid killing them self.
3. Having said all of that, I agree that there should be more done to minimize it. Our society seems to take this attitude that bullying is a part of growing up and kids are just being kids, but the fact of the matter is we send our kids to school and subject them to various threats day in and day out that we would never tolerate at our work place. If someone got into a physical altercation at my office their employment would be terminated on the spot. A fight breaks out in school and a kid gets beaten so badly they have to go to the hospital and all that happens to the kid doing the beating is a ten day suspension and then he's right back in school. He should be expelled from the school district forever.
Part of the problem with public education is that very few school districts have the balls to appropriately deal with problem students. They operate under this idea that they keep having to attempt to educate these children regardless of the fact that they fuck up the learning environment for everyone else just by being there. If more school boards around the country would grow a set and hire administrators of the same mindset and eliminated the habitual problem students from the classroom you would see a big increase in the academic performance of the overall student body. Joe Clark, a high school principal in Patterson, NJ back in the 70s was a great example of cleaning up a problem school. They even made a movie about him.
Our society seems to take this attitude that bullying is a part of growing up and kids are just being kids, but the fact of the matter is we send our kids to school and subject them to various threats day in and day out that we would never tolerate at our work place. . .....
Part of the problem with public education is that very few school districts have the balls to appropriately deal with problem students. They operate under this idea that they keep having to attempt to educate these children regardless of the fact that they fuck up the learning environment for everyone else just by being there. ......
You might have been correct..."B.C." ....Before Columbine. But All Public Schools now have anti-bullying programs that are taken very seriously (there are, of course, varying degrees of "very serious").
Witness the opposition's reference to "zero tolerance policy" for bullying:
I think part of the problem is the zero tolerance policy that treats those who defend themselves on an equal or lesser par as the bullying, often subtle or hidden. Both get suspended. Any time my daughter or son (rarely, but it happened) was suspended for defending themselves, I let the school know that while I understand the whole zero tolerance thing, and that while I would not protest the one or two days off, they would not be punished while they were home.
The "zero tolerance policy" isn't the problem.
The main problem is kids: They are incredibly cruel to each other. Go into even the best behaved school, and you'll find bullying (females are much more subtle). Its inherent in the species.
Public Schools teach ALL kids. Eventually they can be expelled, but only AFTER the fact.
Parents, however, are supposed to teach compassion. This is done through modelling compassion. I leave it up to you, gentle reader, to ask yourself how you did this TODAY?
Our society seems to take this attitude that bullying is a part of growing up and kids are just being kids, but the fact of the matter is we send our kids to school and subject them to various threats day in and day out that we would never tolerate at our work place. . .....
Part of the problem with public education is that very few school districts have the balls to appropriately deal with problem students. They operate under this idea that they keep having to attempt to educate these children regardless of the fact that they fuck up the learning environment for everyone else just by being there. ......
You might have been correct..."B.C." ....Before Columbine. But All Public Schools now have anti-bullying programs that are taken very seriously (there are, of course, varying degrees of "very serious").
Witness the opposition's reference to "zero tolerance policy" for bullying:
I think part of the problem is the zero tolerance policy that treats those who defend themselves on an equal or lesser par as the bullying, often subtle or hidden. Both get suspended. Any time my daughter or son (rarely, but it happened) was suspended for defending themselves, I let the school know that while I understand the whole zero tolerance thing, and that while I would not protest the one or two days off, they would not be punished while they were home.
The "zero tolerance policy" isn't the problem.
The main problem is kids: They are incredibly cruel to each other. Go into even the best behaved school, and you'll find bullying (females are much more subtle). Its inherent in the species.
Public Schools teach ALL kids. Eventually they can be expelled, but only AFTER the fact.
Parents, however, are supposed to teach compassion. This is done through modelling compassion. I leave it up to you, gentle reader, to ask yourself how you did this TODAY?
I think parents are so afraid of their kids getting in trouble that many don't feel that they're allowed to defend themselves. I always let mine know that they were. Meanwhile, I also let them know that their mother was an outcast, unacceptable even to the geeks. I fell upstairs and off the bus...my mother cut my hair and my father refused to allow blue jeans. It was hell. I was the only pothead to make the honor roll, so my small circle was proud come high school. Mine know that they have a responsibility not only to not participate, but to defend. After all, it could be somebody's mother. It could be their own.
Things are different now compared to when I was a kid. Fighting was a form of entertainment where I grew up. (Probably still is.) Bullying happened all the time.
A few weeks ago, my son was with a bunch of his friends when a few bullies jumped one of his friends. They gave him a few shots to the back of the head and ran off. A few minutes later, a couple of cop cars showed up. We spent an hour talking to the police and giving statements. Things sure have changed.
You might have been correct..."B.C." ....Before Columbine. But All Public Schools now have anti-bullying programs that are taken very seriously (there are, of course, varying degrees of "very serious").
Witness the opposition's reference to "zero tolerance policy" for bullying:
The "zero tolerance policy" isn't the problem.
The main problem is kids: They are incredibly cruel to each other. Go into even the best behaved school, and you'll find bullying (females are much more subtle). Its inherent in the species.
Public Schools teach ALL kids. Eventually they can be expelled, but only AFTER the fact.
Parents, however, are supposed to teach compassion. This is done through modelling compassion. I leave it up to you, gentle reader, to ask yourself how you did this TODAY?
I think parents are so afraid of their kids getting in trouble that many don't feel that they're allowed to defend themselves. I always let mine know that they were. Meanwhile, I also let them know that their mother was an outcast, unacceptable even to the geeks. I fell upstairs and off the bus...my mother cut my hair and my father refused to allow blue jeans. It was hell. I was the only pothead to make the honor roll, so my small circle was proud come high school. Mine know that they have a responsibility not only to not participate, but to defend. After all, it could be somebody's mother. It could be their own.
There is something to what you're saying that I'd at least like to respond, although I'm not sure how it may be linked to bullying....but it might.
I'm really addressing Male v. Male bullying, although F v F might be less violent, its just as emotionally devestating.
The rules of behaviour, in schools, are......."feminized." What is acceptable as what some would say is "Free Expression," has become unacceptable physical violence. Boys, cannot be boys, per se. I'm not advocating violence, but it is the historical way that boys settle their differences, to the extent that IT IS be genetically coded.
If society (or schools) inhibit this natural, hormonally induced behaviour, perhaps bullying is the result? Maybe each school would do well to have their own "Fight Club," wherein boys could simply beat the shit out of each other.
Apparently the root of the problems are the bullys. Whatever happened to "zero tolerance"?
Obviously, parents of the bullys are not doing much to keep their kid from terrorizing and harassing fellow class mates. And schools no longer enforce capital punishment.
The school districts should just expel these kids. Then these parents would be forced to home school or find somewhere else to send their kids.
You might have been correct..."B.C." ....Before Columbine. But All Public Schools now have anti-bullying programs that are taken very seriously (there are, of course, varying degrees of "very serious").
Witness the opposition's reference to "zero tolerance policy" for bullying:
The "zero tolerance policy" isn't the problem.
The main problem is kids: They are incredibly cruel to each other. Go into even the best behaved school, and you'll find bullying (females are much more subtle). Its inherent in the species.
Public Schools teach ALL kids. Eventually they can be expelled, but only AFTER the fact.
Parents, however, are supposed to teach compassion. This is done through modelling compassion. I leave it up to you, gentle reader, to ask yourself how you did this TODAY?
I think parents are so afraid of their kids getting in trouble that many don't feel that they're allowed to defend themselves. I always let mine know that they were. Meanwhile, I also let them know that their mother was an outcast, unacceptable even to the geeks. I fell upstairs and off the bus...my mother cut my hair and my father refused to allow blue jeans. It was hell. I was the only pothead to make the honor roll, so my small circle was proud come high school. Mine know that they have a responsibility not only to not participate, but to defend. After all, it could be somebody's mother. It could be their own.
There is something to what you're saying that I'd at least like to respond, although I'm not sure how it may be linked to bullying....but it might.
I'm really addressing Male v. Male bullying, although F v F might be less violent, its just as emotionally devestating.
The rules of behaviour, in schools, are......."feminized." What is acceptable as what some would say is "Free Expression," has become unacceptable physical violence. Boys, cannot be boys, per se. I'm not advocating violence, but it is the historical way that boys settle their differences, to the extent that IT IS be genetically coded.
If society (or schools) inhibit this natural, hormonally induced behaviour, perhaps bullying is the result? Maybe each school would do well to have their own "Fight Club," wherein boys could simply beat the shit out of each other.
I think parents are so afraid of their kids getting in trouble that many don't feel that they're allowed to defend themselves. I always let mine know that they were. Meanwhile, I also let them know that their mother was an outcast, unacceptable even to the geeks. I fell upstairs and off the bus...my mother cut my hair and my father refused to allow blue jeans. It was hell. I was the only pothead to make the honor roll, so my small circle was proud come high school. Mine know that they have a responsibility not only to not participate, but to defend. After all, it could be somebody's mother. It could be their own.
There is something to what you're saying that I'd at least like to respond, although I'm not sure how it may be linked to bullying....but it might.
I'm really addressing Male v. Male bullying, although F v F might be less violent, its just as emotionally devestating.
The rules of behaviour, in schools, are......."feminized." What is acceptable as what some would say is "Free Expression," has become unacceptable physical violence. Boys, cannot be boys, per se. I'm not advocating violence, but it is the historical way that boys settle their differences, to the extent that IT IS be genetically coded.
If society (or schools) inhibit this natural, hormonally induced behaviour, perhaps bullying is the result? Maybe each school would do well to have their own "Fight Club," wherein boys could simply beat the shit out of each other.
You believe the boy being bullied wants to fight?
The exact opposite is true and that is the problem. The aggressors need to be punished the first time and at home by their fathers. Violence is never acceptable under any conditions, especially the ones you propose.
I think parents are so afraid of their kids getting in trouble that many don't feel that they're allowed to defend themselves. I always let mine know that they were. Meanwhile, I also let them know that their mother was an outcast, unacceptable even to the geeks. I fell upstairs and off the bus...my mother cut my hair and my father refused to allow blue jeans. It was hell. I was the only pothead to make the honor roll, so my small circle was proud come high school. Mine know that they have a responsibility not only to not participate, but to defend. After all, it could be somebody's mother. It could be their own.
There is something to what you're saying that I'd at least like to respond, although I'm not sure how it may be linked to bullying....but it might.
I'm really addressing Male v. Male bullying, although F v F might be less violent, its just as emotionally devestating.
The rules of behaviour, in schools, are......."feminized." What is acceptable as what some would say is "Free Expression," has become unacceptable physical violence. Boys, cannot be boys, per se. I'm not advocating violence, but it is the historical way that boys settle their differences, to the extent that IT IS be genetically coded.
If society (or schools) inhibit this natural, hormonally induced behaviour, perhaps bullying is the result? Maybe each school would do well to have their own "Fight Club," wherein boys could simply beat the shit out of each other.
You believe the boy being bullied wants to fight?
The exact opposite is true and that is the problem. The aggressors need to be punished the first time and at home by their fathers. Violence is never acceptable under any conditions, especially the ones you propose.
I...we think that teachers can somehow magically stop bullying, teasing, or kids being terrible to one another.
And all I can say is....Its a helluva lot harder than you think.
.... In fact, even a comprehensive anti-bullying campaign doesn't always stop children from being rotten and evil to one another.
Apparently the root of the problems are the bullys. Whatever happened to "zero tolerance"?
Obviously, parents of the bullys are not doing much to keep their kid from terrorizing and harassing fellow class mates. And schools no longer enforce capital punishment.
The school districts should just expel these kids. Then these parents would be forced to home school or find somewhere else to send their kids.
The problem is parents don't want to believe there child is the one harmming someone its denial for them. the school distract attitude is turn a blind eye.
I believe that all-schools should have very prominent anti-bullying programs in place. At my school - bullies are punished and so are people who sit around and laugh at what the bullies are doing. If this school district did not have a program in place, then they should absolutely have to answer for not taking the steps needed to do everything that they could to protect their students.
That being said...
I think that sometimes because almost all of us went through the public school system as students, because we all have memories of teachers we liked or hated, times we were bullied or teased or misbehaved (or were bullied or teased or mistreated) when we thought teachers had seen or should have done something...we think that teachers can somehow magically stop bullying, teasing, or kids being terrible to one another.
And all I can say is....Its a helluva lot harder than you think.
I'm not trying to excuse this school district if there were things that they could have done. All I'm trying to add to the discussion is the point that, as a teacher I can tell you that its not like you can just point at a student and say "Stop that!" and the problem goes away. In fact, even a comprehensive anti-bullying campaign doesn't always stop children from being rotten and evil to one another.
