School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

It's funny you mentioned Black Lives Matter ... Especially since one of their founding principles is to protest law enforcement.

That's is not correct. The first march I ever participated in was a Black Lives Matter protest held in downtown Seattle. We had armed Seattle police officers on bikes protecting and clearing the way for us as we marched through the streets of downtown Seattle.

 

[Brain357]

Both I believe.

Crime started dropping about the time we got background checks and some gun control...

Yeah, I'm a supporter of background checks, even though background checks haven't been effective at stopping mass shootings recently. It's a real problem.

It is sad that it might have stopped the tx church shooting.

But banning high capacity magazines would have also helped.

He would have just carried out the shooting with a pistol or acquired high capacity mags in some other way. Difference between America and other countries that have lower gun violence is that guns are everywhere and not very difficult to acquire, legally or illegally.

People get caught trying to acquire illegal things.

Sometimes they don't. Didn't the sandy hook shooter just kill his mom and take the guns in the house?

That’s why we need to limit the weapons that can be legally owned.

Sometimes they are caught:
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

 

[LoneLaugher]

Cars serve a purpose other than killing.

So do guns. Namely, preventing killing.

Silly nutter. If that were the case, you wouldn't necessarily need bullets. Think first.

Are u one of those guys who thinks gun owners use their weapons defensively 4000 times per day in America?

 

[Minstrel]

Yeah, I'm a supporter of background checks, even though background checks haven't been effective at stopping mass shootings recently. It's a real problem.

It is sad that it might have stopped the tx church shooting.

But banning high capacity magazines would have also helped.

He would have just carried out the shooting with a pistol or acquired high capacity mags in some other way. Difference between America and other countries that have lower gun violence is that guns are everywhere and not very difficult to acquire, legally or illegally.

People get caught trying to acquire illegal things.

Sometimes they don't. Didn't the sandy hook shooter just kill his mom and take the guns in the house?

That’s why we need to limit the weapons that can be legally owned.

Sometimes they are caught:
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

Pretty sure his mom was mentally stable and law abiding, you propose limiting weapons that can be legally owned, how do you propose to do that? Especially when you consider the # of guns already in homes.

 

[sartre play]

Drop me a line when your child, mother sister is shot & killed, then tell me how it doesn't matter because more people get killed in cars, or pools or any where else.

 

[Brain357]

It is sad that it might have stopped the tx church shooting.

But banning high capacity magazines would have also helped.

He would have just carried out the shooting with a pistol or acquired high capacity mags in some other way. Difference between America and other countries that have lower gun violence is that guns are everywhere and not very difficult to acquire, legally or illegally.

People get caught trying to acquire illegal things.

Sometimes they don't. Didn't the sandy hook shooter just kill his mom and take the guns in the house?

That’s why we need to limit the weapons that can be legally owned.

Sometimes they are caught:
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

Pretty sure his mom was mentally stable and law abiding, you propose limiting weapons that can be legally owned, how do you propose to do that? Especially when you consider the # of guns already in homes.

And she armed a mass killer.

High capacity magazines should be banned.

 

[Minstrel]

He would have just carried out the shooting with a pistol or acquired high capacity mags in some other way. Difference between America and other countries that have lower gun violence is that guns are everywhere and not very difficult to acquire, legally or illegally.

People get caught trying to acquire illegal things.

Sometimes they don't. Didn't the sandy hook shooter just kill his mom and take the guns in the house?

That’s why we need to limit the weapons that can be legally owned.

Sometimes they are caught:
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

Pretty sure his mom was mentally stable and law abiding, you propose limiting weapons that can be legally owned, how do you propose to do that? Especially when you consider the # of guns already in homes.

And she armed a mass killer.

High capacity magazines should be banned.

Um.. she was murdered by her son who took the guns.. there are already so many "high capacity mags" and what not in homes, how do you remove those?

 

[Brain357]

People get caught trying to acquire illegal things.

Sometimes they don't. Didn't the sandy hook shooter just kill his mom and take the guns in the house?

That’s why we need to limit the weapons that can be legally owned.

Sometimes they are caught:
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

Pretty sure his mom was mentally stable and law abiding, you propose limiting weapons that can be legally owned, how do you propose to do that? Especially when you consider the # of guns already in homes.

And she armed a mass killer.

High capacity magazines should be banned.

Um.. she was murdered by her son who took the guns.. there are already so many "high capacity mags" and what not in homes, how do you remove those?

You ban them, they will quickly become rare.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Silly nutter. If that were the case, you wouldn't necessarily need bullets. Think first.

Are u one of those guys who thinks gun owners use their weapons defensively 4000 times per day in America?

Okay, guns AND bullets save lives.

And if guns don't protect people, why do cops have them?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Posted before completing. Too bad you care not to discuss unless it furthers your own ideas. One reason I quit attempting to discuss in forums years ago, as people don’t want to discuss.

Did I make any statement regarding how I felt? You asked, I chose to research it and gave you what I found.
Do I feel some they included were less than ingenious? Yes. Surely you do, too.
How many of the actual shootings involved law abiding citizens? How many illegally acquired their guns? What gun laws would change things? In the two major shootings, warnings were given and ignored, one occurred outside an alternative school. Schools ignoring warning signs, law enforcement not arresting these dangerous kids. Schools letting them return amongst their student bodies. Mental health was an issue in many of them.
That seems to be a common denominator in most of these shootings. And our mental health system sucks, particularly for parents with troubled kids.

They are counting intentional shootings of four or more, just as other countries do.
The other list also includes 3 accidental gun discharges with no injuries, one on a college campus, and 3 shootings on college campuses, which included a shooting at a party/wedding rental facility located on a campus. They also included a suicide in a school parking lot by a 31 yr old at a school that had been permanently closed seven months prior. They included a shooting between adults that had been fighting, in a school parking lot after hours. Also included was a suicide in a bathroom. Another included is an after hours robbery gone bad in a school parking lot. A school administrative office was hit by a stray bullet through a window, which the shooter was never located, and no one injured.
And last, a drive by that hit no one.

Two of the shootings, the kids had been kicked out of schooldue to problems, yet later allowed to return. Another in which he even had a hit list that had been reported.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

School shootings have been declining for two decades. Children are about 100 times more likely to die from drowning in a swimming pool. But the hype has been astronomical. The news loves it, it's good for ratings.

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss, what I won't have is people talk nonsense.

You asked a question "Did I make any statement regarding how I felt?" I'm struggling to see why you said this or what the point of this question was.

I didn't ask you how you felt. I asked you if you had a problem with kids going to schools under threat of being killed. I asked "so who cares?"

But I did not ask you how you felt.

So..... you want me to respond to something I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Really?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

But, don't sit there and say we don't care about the children when we REFUSE to disarm. The two are not dependent.

I disagree.

What's the difference between the US and every other First World country? The easy availability of guns.

Switzerland has lots of guns, but not the easy availability of guns.

Sure, there are other factors unique to the US too. A political system that doesn't care, voters who are forced to vote for one of two political parties who control the thought process of elections, and poverty which is heightened by the crime and the guns and the large wealth gap.

But guns are a MASSIVE part of this.

Without the easy availability of guns in the US NONE of these shootings would have happened. Not one.

Same people, but lacking a gun.

 

[depotoo]

You said:
Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?
And you said:
Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Posted before completing. Too bad you care not to discuss unless it furthers your own ideas. One reason I quit attempting to discuss in forums years ago, as people don’t want to discuss.

Did I make any statement regarding how I felt? You asked, I chose to research it and gave you what I found.
Do I feel some they included were less than ingenious? Yes. Surely you do, too.
How many of the actual shootings involved law abiding citizens? How many illegally acquired their guns? What gun laws would change things? In the two major shootings, warnings were given and ignored, one occurred outside an alternative school. Schools ignoring warning signs, law enforcement not arresting these dangerous kids. Schools letting them return amongst their student bodies. Mental health was an issue in many of them.
That seems to be a common denominator in most of these shootings. And our mental health system sucks, particularly for parents with troubled kids.

They are counting intentional shootings of four or more, just as other countries do.
The other list also includes 3 accidental gun discharges with no injuries, one on a college campus, and 3 shootings on college campuses, which included a shooting at a party/wedding rental facility located on a campus. They also included a suicide in a school parking lot by a 31 yr old at a school that had been permanently closed seven months prior. They included a shooting between adults that had been fighting, in a school parking lot after hours. Also included was a suicide in a bathroom. Another included is an after hours robbery gone bad in a school parking lot. A school administrative office was hit by a stray bullet through a window, which the shooter was never located, and no one injured.
And last, a drive by that hit no one.

Two of the shootings, the kids had been kicked out of schooldue to problems, yet later allowed to return. Another in which he even had a hit list that had been reported.

School shootings have been declining for two decades. Children are about 100 times more likely to die from drowning in a swimming pool. But the hype has been astronomical. The news loves it, it's good for ratings.

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss, what I won't have is people talk nonsense.

You asked a question "Did I make any statement regarding how I felt?" I'm struggling to see why you said this or what the point of this question was.

I didn't ask you how you felt. I asked you if you had a problem with kids going to schools under threat of being killed. I asked "so who cares?"

But I did not ask you how you felt.

So..... you want me to respond to something I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Really?

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

Of course not. Who needs evidence when you can make things up that fit your political goals?

Evidence? What ******* evidence have you provided exactly?

Wait..... the only evidence you've provided is what you pulled out of your ass.

Don't lecture me on stuff you don't actually do.

You're the one who pulled up the evidence yourself. And you promptly declared that you just don't believe it.

Yes, I'm the one with the evidence. You're the one without evidence.

What a surprise.

But now you say I don't believe it.

You know, you're quite painful to talk to. You don't really have much to go on, and you keep using childish tactics to try and hide that fact.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

Parents generally don't like sending their kids off to school and having to think that they might not come back.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

There's a higher chance of a kid being killed playing a contact sport or on their commute to and from school. You've got to take population into account when talking about things like this, along with culture and the fact that guns are EVERYWHERE in America, and nothing will change that. Overall, gun violence is down across the board, and schools are a lot safer than in the 90's. You mentioning parents being afraid of their kids being shot simply supports my OP. Fear is driving that decision when the data says otherwise. School shootings get media attention for weeks and stir up fear and panic when there is no reason for it. Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say

Look. There's a big difference between accidents and deliberate killings.

Accidents can be a tragedy. Kids need to learn to be adults and they take risks and sometimes it doesn't pay off. It's a part of life that you can't really take away.

Personally I think football, the US variety, is a ridiculous sport to play. It causes injuries that really should not be happening. However parents can make those choices.

Which is where we get down to the reality of it. Parents making choices. They can choose if their kid plays contact sports. Choose if their kid swims.

But they DON'T choose for their kid to get shot up at school.

Do you understand?

What's my solution to solving the school shooting problem?

Well, number one is change the way people vote in elections. The current system leads to politicians who don't care, to issues that aren't really the issues that people should be talking about, has two political parties who are trying to get votes from a wide spectrum, it'd be better to have smaller parties which are more aimed at the people.

In Germany they have PR, if 10% of people vote for a party, they'll have 10% of seats. People will vote for this party even if it's not going to form the govt because it actually plays a part in the political process.

In the US no one would vote for this party because they'd think "they're not going to win, what's the point", so they vote for a political party that DOES NOT represent them, and usually negative voting, voting simply because they don't want the other party in power.

This leads to politicians who don't do their job properly, instead they're chasing the money.

This is the first problem, this is what is ******* the US so much.

Without that nothing else would ever change. Any solutions I have wouldn't even be implemented. If they were they wouldn't work because people would make sure they wouldn't work.

If you mistrust your own govt so much you feel you need to have guns in society with people dying left, right and center, then why not CHANGE THINGS?

 

[Minstrel]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

Parents generally don't like sending their kids off to school and having to think that they might not come back.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

There's a higher chance of a kid being killed playing a contact sport or on their commute to and from school. You've got to take population into account when talking about things like this, along with culture and the fact that guns are EVERYWHERE in America, and nothing will change that. Overall, gun violence is down across the board, and schools are a lot safer than in the 90's. You mentioning parents being afraid of their kids being shot simply supports my OP. Fear is driving that decision when the data says otherwise. School shootings get media attention for weeks and stir up fear and panic when there is no reason for it. Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say

Look. There's a big difference between accidents and deliberate killings.

Accidents can be a tragedy. Kids need to learn to be adults and they take risks and sometimes it doesn't pay off. It's a part of life that you can't really take away.

Personally I think football, the US variety, is a ridiculous sport to play. It causes injuries that really should not be happening. However parents can make those choices.

Which is where we get down to the reality of it. Parents making choices. They can choose if their kid plays contact sports. Choose if their kid swims.

But they DON'T choose for their kid to get shot up at school.

Do you understand?

What's my solution to solving the school shooting problem?

Well, number one is change the way people vote in elections. The current system leads to politicians who don't care, to issues that aren't really the issues that people should be talking about, has two political parties who are trying to get votes from a wide spectrum, it'd be better to have smaller parties which are more aimed at the people.

In Germany they have PR, if 10% of people vote for a party, they'll have 10% of seats. People will vote for this party even if it's not going to form the govt because it actually plays a part in the political process.

In the US no one would vote for this party because they'd think "they're not going to win, what's the point", so they vote for a political party that DOES NOT represent them, and usually negative voting, voting simply because they don't want the other party in power.

This leads to politicians who don't do their job properly, instead they're chasing the money.

This is the first problem, this is what is ******* the US so much.

Without that nothing else would ever change. Any solutions I have wouldn't even be implemented. If they were they wouldn't work because people would make sure they wouldn't work.

If you mistrust your own govt so much you feel you need to have guns in society with people dying left, right and center, then why not CHANGE THINGS?

We're never realistically going to move away from the 2 party system, i'm talking about a solution that could actually happen.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You said:
Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?
And you said:
Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Posted before completing. Too bad you care not to discuss unless it furthers your own ideas. One reason I quit attempting to discuss in forums years ago, as people don’t want to discuss.

Did I make any statement regarding how I felt? You asked, I chose to research it and gave you what I found.
Do I feel some they included were less than ingenious? Yes. Surely you do, too.
How many of the actual shootings involved law abiding citizens? How many illegally acquired their guns? What gun laws would change things? In the two major shootings, warnings were given and ignored, one occurred outside an alternative school. Schools ignoring warning signs, law enforcement not arresting these dangerous kids. Schools letting them return amongst their student bodies. Mental health was an issue in many of them.
That seems to be a common denominator in most of these shootings. And our mental health system sucks, particularly for parents with troubled kids.

They are counting intentional shootings of four or more, just as other countries do.
The other list also includes 3 accidental gun discharges with no injuries, one on a college campus, and 3 shootings on college campuses, which included a shooting at a party/wedding rental facility located on a campus. They also included a suicide in a school parking lot by a 31 yr old at a school that had been permanently closed seven months prior. They included a shooting between adults that had been fighting, in a school parking lot after hours. Also included was a suicide in a bathroom. Another included is an after hours robbery gone bad in a school parking lot. A school administrative office was hit by a stray bullet through a window, which the shooter was never located, and no one injured.
And last, a drive by that hit no one.

Two of the shootings, the kids had been kicked out of schooldue to problems, yet later allowed to return. Another in which he even had a hit list that had been reported.

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss, what I won't have is people talk nonsense.

You asked a question "Did I make any statement regarding how I felt?" I'm struggling to see why you said this or what the point of this question was.

I didn't ask you how you felt. I asked you if you had a problem with kids going to schools under threat of being killed. I asked "so who cares?"

But I did not ask you how you felt.

So..... you want me to respond to something I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Really?

Yes, I know that.

How many of those are me asking you how you feel?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

Parents generally don't like sending their kids off to school and having to think that they might not come back.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

There's a higher chance of a kid being killed playing a contact sport or on their commute to and from school. You've got to take population into account when talking about things like this, along with culture and the fact that guns are EVERYWHERE in America, and nothing will change that. Overall, gun violence is down across the board, and schools are a lot safer than in the 90's. You mentioning parents being afraid of their kids being shot simply supports my OP. Fear is driving that decision when the data says otherwise. School shootings get media attention for weeks and stir up fear and panic when there is no reason for it. Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say

Look. There's a big difference between accidents and deliberate killings.

Accidents can be a tragedy. Kids need to learn to be adults and they take risks and sometimes it doesn't pay off. It's a part of life that you can't really take away.

Personally I think football, the US variety, is a ridiculous sport to play. It causes injuries that really should not be happening. However parents can make those choices.

Which is where we get down to the reality of it. Parents making choices. They can choose if their kid plays contact sports. Choose if their kid swims.

But they DON'T choose for their kid to get shot up at school.

Do you understand?

What's my solution to solving the school shooting problem?

Well, number one is change the way people vote in elections. The current system leads to politicians who don't care, to issues that aren't really the issues that people should be talking about, has two political parties who are trying to get votes from a wide spectrum, it'd be better to have smaller parties which are more aimed at the people.

In Germany they have PR, if 10% of people vote for a party, they'll have 10% of seats. People will vote for this party even if it's not going to form the govt because it actually plays a part in the political process.

In the US no one would vote for this party because they'd think "they're not going to win, what's the point", so they vote for a political party that DOES NOT represent them, and usually negative voting, voting simply because they don't want the other party in power.

This leads to politicians who don't do their job properly, instead they're chasing the money.

This is the first problem, this is what is ******* the US so much.

Without that nothing else would ever change. Any solutions I have wouldn't even be implemented. If they were they wouldn't work because people would make sure they wouldn't work.

If you mistrust your own govt so much you feel you need to have guns in society with people dying left, right and center, then why not CHANGE THINGS?

We're never realistically going to move away from the 2 party system, i'm talking about a solution that could actually happen.

Realistically, there's no solution. The US is fucked. It's on the way down.

The two party system with the rich controlling it is never going to do anything meaningful to change the course of the US.

So, realistically, I have no solution to the problem, because there's only one problem, and it's the political system.

Just sit back, watch China rise and control the world like the US did, be prepared to learn Chinese and get metaphorically fucked up the ass on a daily basis.

That's all you can do. It's like waiting for the end of the world from a meteor or something, you can't stop it, just know that it's coming.

 

[otto105]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

It isn't 37,000 firearm deaths per year in aMerica are.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

It isn't 37,000 firearm deaths per year in aMerica are.

The tactic on show right now is compartmentalization.

It's about trying to separate things and then cherry picking stuff to make it look like school shootings aren't a problem.

Anyone who thinks that kids being shot up in schools isn't a problem is a sick individual.

One shooting of 17 kids dying, even over the course of FIVE YEARS is way, way too many.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The tactic on show right now is compartmentalization.

It's about trying to separate things and then cherry picking stuff to make it look like school shootings aren't a problem.

Anyone who thinks that kids being shot up in schools isn't a problem is a sick individual.

One shooting of 17 kids dying, even over the course of FIVE YEARS is way, way too many.

That is what you don't understand.

17,000 per day wouldn't justify limiting the right of a law abiding citizen owning any gun or accessory.

Lawful ownership is no more the actual problem than free speech.

Find a solution that places not one single restriction on guns, ammo, or accessories or **** off and live with it.

Until we have eliminated alll gun-free zones, and somebody is actually able to shoot back, I don't want to hear another word.