School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

[Crixus]

Because they are extraordinarily deadly

Most people are appauled at the slaughter of children

In the US anyway.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Cars serve a purpose other than killing.

SO do guns

If the sole purpose of a gun is to kill then I guess I and millions of others who own guns are using them incorrectly

 

[iceberg]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

The kids this weekend made it very clear that it's NOT about just school shootings. I guess some people can only think about one thing at a time, though.

that's kinda funny when the left is notorious for not even knowing what they're asking for when it comes to gun regulation. so instead of taking the time to learn more than GUNS BAD, they just want them all banned. that's very binary but hey, you could argue that's 2 things i suppose.

when you try to teach someone on the left the correct terminology and so forth about guns they get a glazed look over their face with an "oh i don't care, just ban them!" THEN we get the ones who come up after that doing the "giggle - but no one is coming for your guns" OF WHICH when you point out the bill saying they in fact are, that person doesn't bother to respond, just keeps saying it as if they only know 1 thing.

annoying, isn't it?

 

[2aguy]

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

Again, this the classic leftist tactic of accusing the other side of not thinking of the children if they disagree.

Caring about whether children get shot at school does not require one to agree with the communist agenda.

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

They only think that because of the 24/7 news cycle.......school shootings are so rare as to be insignificant....they need to worry more about allowing their 16 year old to drive their car, or allowing their kids to go to the swimming pool........school shootings are happening less than in the 90s....

What would help? Armed guards and arming/training staff.........and you guys don't want to do that because you need dead kids to push gun control...

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wow, 2 years compared to decades. Are you talking about violent crime in general or gun related crimes?

Both I believe.

Crime started dropping about the time we got background checks and some gun control...

Yeah, I'm a supporter of background checks, even though background checks haven't been effective at stopping mass shootings recently. It's a real problem.

It is sad that it might have stopped the tx church shooting.

But banning high capacity magazines would have also helped.

He would have just carried out the shooting with a pistol or acquired high capacity mags in some other way. Difference between America and other countries that have lower gun violence is that guns are everywhere and not very difficult to acquire, legally or illegally.

That is "a" difference. A significant one that can be dealt with via the legislative process. And....it will be.

YEah just like we legislated drugs

 

[Skull Pilot]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

It isn't 37,000 firearm deaths per year in aMerica are.

Most of those are suicides and suicide is not a crime

 

[iceberg]

I noticed the NAACP helped alot with the march. Do they march with black families victimized by gangbanging, or just rich white entitled white kids?

There WERE kids speaking who have been victimized by gang wars. BLM was there.

It's funny you mentioned Black Lives Matter ... Especially since one of their founding principles is to protest law enforcement.

That would be the police.
When the law enforcement and military are the people with firearms ... It's called a Police State ...

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As you know, BLM's founding principle is NOT to protest law enforcement; it is to protest uneven application of the law due to racial prejudice.

so, the law who is doing the enforcing is doing it wrong, you say, but they were not protesting the law enforcement people themselves.

not even sure that's possible.

but i *am* sure many crimes we saw under obama when the law was blamed fell right on the shoulders of the person who got shot. not in all instances no, but let's not pretend it's all a 1 way street either to bolster our emotional claim either. but that did create a heightened sense of "what the hell do i do here" where a black man could beat the shit out of a police officer and all he could say was PLEASE STOP or he'd get in trouble.

what that video? wanna see that inequality in action?

or do you need the videos of saying they should fry like bacon? that was a popular one.

but my favorite will always be WE NEED OUR WEAVES! I DON'T WEAR THEM BUT WE NEED THEM!!!! that was an epic sign of the times, i tell ya.

good times for sure. this protesting the application of law but not law enforcement who applies it. still gotta ponder how that can be possible.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We used to fight to keep and expand our rights as free individuals now we have people marching to ask the government to take away the very rights and liberties that we used to protect.

This is the death knell of the USA

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Bottom line. Shootings regardless of type, are just a fact of life. Acceptable risk being an American.

-Geaux

When at least one person who is killed in a shooting was licensed to carry but prevented from doing so, the problem is clear.

Until these gun-free zones are eliminated, and qualified people are allowed to partixipate in their own security and defense, there had better not be one single new restriction.

Those hostile to our freedom will never be satisfied with the status quo until they are forced to lose it They need a lesson in leaving "well enough" alone.

We should start by attacking the Hughes Amendment, and continue rolling back federal gun laws until all are repealed.

Remember, we are an army of more than 100 million. We have power and should wield that power to demand the opponents of freedom back down.

Not one inch, freedom lovers.

Machine guns or Valhalla.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Cars serve a purpose other than killing.

If guns serve no purpose but to kill, why do cops carry them?

 

[iceberg]

Bottom line. Shootings regardless of type, are just a fact of life. Acceptable risk being an American.

-Geaux

When at least one person who is killed in a shooting was licensed to carry but prevented from doing so, the problem is clear.

Until these gun-free zones are eliminated, and qualified people are allowed to partixipate in their own security and defense, there had better not be one single new restriction.

Those hostile to our freedom will never be satisfied with the status quo until they are forced to lose it They need a lesson in leaving "well enough" alone.

We should start by attacking the Hughes Amendment, and continue rolling back federal gun laws until all are repealed.

Remember, we are an army of more than 100 million. We have power and should wield that power to demand the opponents of freedom back down.

Not one inch, freedom lovers.

Machine guns or Valhalla.

both please.

 

[Geaux4it]

Interesting you mention a CC holder being denied to carry. TN implemented a law that if a business post 'No Guns' allowed, and someone is killed in their establishment when they would of otherwise been lawfully carrying concealed, the establishment is liable for all cost associated with the victims

-Geaux
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Gun-Free Zones’ in Tennessee now liable for harm caused to firearm permit holders

Owners of “gun-free” businesses in Tennessee beware- you’re now responsible for the protection of your patrons.

The Volunteer State passed a new law that amends a state code, making business owners who post “no guns allowed” signs responsible -and legally liable- for their patrons’ safety, opening up the potential for lawsuits if a violent act occurs.

According to Bearing Arms, the new law goes into effect July 1st, and allows handgun carry permit holders to sue the entity or individual who sued them of their right to carry in a “gun-free zone” if aforementioned permit holder is injured, killed or incurs loss due to property damages in the aftermath of a violent crime.

‘Gun-Free Zones’ in Tennessee now liable for harm caused to firearm permit holders

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Interesting you mention a CC holder being denied to carry. TN implemented a law that if a business post 'No Guns' allowed, and someone is killed in their establishment when they would of otherwise been lawfully carrying concealed, the establishment is liable for all cost associated with the victims

-Geaux
'
Gun-Free Zones’ in Tennessee now liable for harm caused to firearm permit holders

Owners of “gun-free” businesses in Tennessee beware- you’re now responsible for the protection of your patrons.

The Volunteer State passed a new law that amends a state code, making business owners who post “no guns allowed” signs responsible -and legally liable- for their patrons’ safety, opening up the potential for lawsuits if a violent act occurs.

According to Bearing Arms, the new law goes into effect July 1st, and allows handgun carry permit holders to sue the entity or individual who sued them of their right to carry in a “gun-free zone” if aforementioned permit holder is injured, killed or incurs loss due to property damages in the aftermath of a violent crime.

‘Gun-Free Zones’ in Tennessee now liable for harm caused to firearm permit holders

I have been pushing for that same tort reform legislation in Texas for a decade now.

If a business that is open to the public strips lawful and law-abiding patrons (business invitees) from the means to protect themselves while under invitee status, the business should be 100% responsible for security, and at least should have acted reasonably to protect invitees from foreseeable gun violence risk. (Given the constant MSM bombardment of news on mass shootings, any gun violence is foreseeable, thank you media).

But, I would go further. I would argue that reasonable action is inadequate. I would argue strict liability, but I would settle for reasonable measures for now.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

I'm wasting my time here but.....

And yet you'll believe NBC, proven time and time again to deceive and/or propagandize and sensationalize over and over and over again in a heartbeat. Got it.

ALL OF THOSE EVENTS YOU CITED ABOVE COMBINED are insignificant compared to the number of children killed by their Democrat, violent parents, kids killed while texting during the SAME time period and kids killed due to drunk driving by several thousand to ONE. We won't even mention the "unwanted" kids murdered before they had a voice of their own.

DO YOUR RESEARCH. Find out how many kids have been killed in school shootings in the last 5 years and how many have died in auto accidents due to texting alone and drunk driving accidents DURING THAT SAME TIME. If you do, you'll see you're barking up the wrong tree.

But let's keep the facts "hush hush" because the agenda is really what's important to you.

So called "Gun Violence" (a stupid term by any consideration btw) is actually Poor Government Policy Violence.

Give me a break.
FACT: If you really cared about the children, you'd focus on FACTS

1). GUNS Don't kill anyone (it takes a person, or the gun can't do a thing.)
And since every tragedy you mentioned above was committed by people from broken homes and usually Democrat or Socialist leanings, maybe one day you'll put two and two together and see that your side has created a national mental health crisis. But facts don't matter to you do they?

2). Guns are used to save more lives than taken (self defense and crime deterrence)

But let's NEVER talk about that because it goes against the agenda. If you watch NBC local news across the nation daily, you'll ONLY see stories of guns used in violent acts but NEVER the larger number of guns used to protect lives and defend property. Ever asked yourself why? Nope. They have you right where they want you... a non-questioning imbecile.

3). Inept Law Enforcement agencies which had every chance to prevent tragedies but failed

The Parkland tragedy had numerous chances to be prevented. If Law enforcement is going to refuse to take action even when it's clear someone mentally ill is about to go on a rampage, then more than ever we need private guns for our own protection.

Your argument is biased by your inability to see past the propaganda you've been fed by the Communist News Netwoks, and now you thrive on it.

And by the way....intelligent black people have already realized they are being used and have jumped off the Plantation already. That's why more and more they're ignoring blacks and turning their support to Hispanics and illegal immigrants who don't even speak English and who don't yet know that they are being used. If you had half a brain you'd realize all these efforts to get Mexicans, arabs and South Americans into the country and voting as fast as possible is because after 5 decades of the Democrat elitist promising blacks a better life but only enriching themselves, blacks are jumping off the Democrat Plantation so they need a new voter base.
(it's actually more complicated than that but if I go into it you'd never have a chance of comprehending).

Fortunately they still have the very low IQ, non thinking, obedient blacks to carry out their agendas blindly.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The US is suffering, people are fed up of the guns, and yet you people will say ANYTHING in order to keep your guns.

Why do you value false security iver freedom. The left is the enemy of freedom.

Actually it's the other way around. I should be asking you that question.

People have their guns. Why? They mistrust the US govt.

But your FIRST line of defense is voting, and yet you keep electing the same old career politicians who keep destroying democracy.

When I suggest a political system that would allow for more parties, people who support guns are the vehemently against everything I say.

When I say the Electoral College is corrupt, they're the first to say they like the system.

Why would you demand guns for your freedom and vote for the EXACT OPPOSITE?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

But your FIRST line of defense is voting, and yet you keep electing the same old career politicians who keep destroying democracy.

No argument here. I agree.

When I suggest a political system that would allow for more parties, people who support guns are the vehemently against everything I say.

For the same reason nobody believes a third party can arise. The duopoly works overtime to convince everyone that they have but one choice or they will throw their vote away. The people in power do not want to share.

Why would you demand guns for your freedom and vote for the EXACT OPPOSITE?

No argument here. Agreed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

But your FIRST line of defense is voting, and yet you keep electing the same old career politicians who keep destroying democracy.

No argument here. I agree.

When I suggest a political system that would allow for more parties, people who support guns are the vehemently against everything I say.

For the same reason nobody believes a third party can arise. The duopoly works overtime to convince everyone that they have but one choice or they will throw their vote away. The people in power do not want to share.

Why would you demand guns for your freedom and vote for the EXACT OPPOSITE?

No argument here. Agreed.

Nobody believes a third party can rise, because the system prevents it.

Until Americans decide they want a change, nothing will change.

Now, you have kids shouting out about gun control, not knowing that everything is futile unless the political system changes.

People will continue to die.