School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

[frigidweirdo]

The tactic on show right now is compartmentalization.

It's about trying to separate things and then cherry picking stuff to make it look like school shootings aren't a problem.

Anyone who thinks that kids being shot up in schools isn't a problem is a sick individual.

One shooting of 17 kids dying, even over the course of FIVE YEARS is way, way too many.

That is what you don't understand.

17,000 per day wouldn't justify limiting the right of a law abiding citizen owning any gun or accessory.

Lawful ownership is no more the actual problem than free speech.

Find a solution that places not one single restriction on guns, ammo, or accessories or **** off and live with it.

Until we have eliminated alll gun-free zones, and somebody is actually able to shoot back, I don't want to hear another word.

Oh, I understand that nothing will ever justifying someone getting between you and your guns.

But you live in a vague parody of a democracy, and it's not all about you.

 

[OKTexas]

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

Again, this the classic leftist tactic of accusing the other side of not thinking of the children if they disagree.

Caring about whether children get shot at school does not require one to agree with the communist agenda.

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

Well maybe those parents should be home schooling their kids. Kids are in much more danger on the roads going to and from school than they are in the classroom. The chances of a bad guy walking into a school with an AR is about 4.335 trillion to one, there would be more of a chance of them winning the Mega Millions Lottery.


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[OKTexas]

Cars serve a purpose other than killing.

So do guns. Namely, preventing killing.

Silly nutter. If that were the case, you wouldn't necessarily need bullets. Think first.

Are u one of those guys who thinks gun owners use their weapons defensively 4000 times per day in America?

That would be the CDC, dummy.


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[OKTexas]

Drop me a line when your child, mother sister is shot & killed, then tell me how it doesn't matter because more people get killed in cars, or pools or any where else.

I think there are laws already covering that.


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[frigidweirdo]

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

Again, this the classic leftist tactic of accusing the other side of not thinking of the children if they disagree.

Caring about whether children get shot at school does not require one to agree with the communist agenda.

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

Well maybe those parents should be home schooling their kids. Kids are in much more danger on the roads going to and from school than they are in the classroom. The chances of a bad guy walking into a school with an AR is about 4.335 trillion to one, there would be more of a chance of them winning the Mega Millions Lottery.


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Oh, wow.

Two of the right's favorite topics in one.

Home schooling and keeping your guns.

If you think this is just about statistics, then you're totally wrong.

The US is suffering, people are fed up of the guns, and yet you people will say ANYTHING in order to keep your guns.

 

[OKTexas]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

It isn't 37,000 firearm deaths per year in aMerica are.

The tactic on show right now is compartmentalization.

It's about trying to separate things and then cherry picking stuff to make it look like school shootings aren't a problem.

Anyone who thinks that kids being shot up in schools isn't a problem is a sick individual.

One shooting of 17 kids dying, even over the course of FIVE YEARS is way, way too many.

So is one person killing 12 people because he had his eyes on his cell phone instead of the road, will you call for the demolition of all cell phone towers?


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[OKTexas]

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

Again, this the classic leftist tactic of accusing the other side of not thinking of the children if they disagree.

Caring about whether children get shot at school does not require one to agree with the communist agenda.

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

Well maybe those parents should be home schooling their kids. Kids are in much more danger on the roads going to and from school than they are in the classroom. The chances of a bad guy walking into a school with an AR is about 4.335 trillion to one, there would be more of a chance of them winning the Mega Millions Lottery.


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Oh, wow.

Two of the right's favorite topics in one.

Home schooling and keeping your guns.

If you think this is just about statistics, then you're totally wrong.

The US is suffering, people are fed up of the guns, and yet you people will say ANYTHING in order to keep your guns.

Murders don't even make in the top ten in causes of death idiot. It's amazing how ignorant you emotional pussies are.


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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The US is suffering, people are fed up of the guns, and yet you people will say ANYTHING in order to keep your guns.

Why do you value false security iver freedom. The left is the enemy of freedom.

 

[2aguy]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

The kids this weekend made it very clear that it's NOT about just school shootings. I guess some people can only think about one thing at a time, though.

Yes....it is primarily about confiscating guns, and giving power to democrats.....you are right.

 

[2aguy]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

Parents generally don't like sending their kids off to school and having to think that they might not come back.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

They didn't have school shootings in Britain before that ........ they have averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years after the ban and confiscation of guns, and they almost had 2 school shootings in the last 2 years........and only dumb luck saved them...

British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack



Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

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[2aguy]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

Parents generally don't like sending their kids off to school and having to think that they might not come back.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

Which gun control laws in Britain kept this gunman from murdering all these British children?

'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.

 

[2aguy]

I noticed the NAACP helped alot with the march. Do they march with black families victimized by gangbanging, or just rich white entitled white kids?

There WERE kids speaking who have been victimized by gang wars. BLM was there.

Black lives matter supporters have engaged in mass shootings.....remember the Texas, police shooting? And the police who have been murdered in ambushes by black lives matter supporters?

 

[Crixus]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

The kids this weekend made it very clear that it's NOT about just school shootings. I guess some people can only think about one thing at a time, though.

And those kids will learn another tough lesson and that that after November no politition will give two shits who some bald Mexican lesbian is, or some little attention who’s pimped out to the press by his daddy is. Like the 1% and the pussyhats they will be forgotten soon enough.

 

[2aguy]

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread, the leaders of this movement made it very clear that they are not satisfied with laws that only address school safety because of exactly what the OP said. Gun violence is about so much more and people sure aren't dying just in schools.

Then why didn't they bring up the fact that democrats keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail......over and over again, in all of our major cities, from California, to Chicago, Baltimore...........to St. Louis....the thing driving gun murder is the release of violent, repeat offenders who use guns for violent crimes, get arrested, then they are released, where they go on to commit murder....that is the major problem, not mass public shootings...

The casualty count for mass public shootings each year, except 2017, is less than the number killed by lawn mowers....


There have been 795 people murdered in mass public shootings since 1982-2017.....35 years....knives are used to murder over 1,600 people every single year...

The worst mass shooting here in the states murdered 58 people.....in Nice, France, a muslim with a rental truck murdered 86 people...

Mass public shootings are rare and kill fewer people than lawn mowers.......our problem is democrats letting repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again...

But that doesn't fit the agenda of these kids...they hate republicans, and shill for the democrats...the ones actually driving the death rate...

 

[Geaux4it]

Bottom line. Shootings regardless of type, are just a fact of life. Acceptable risk being an American.

-Geaux

 

[2aguy]

As you know, BLM's founding principle is NOT to protest law enforcement; it is to protest uneven application of the law due to racial prejudice.

To the contray ....

"Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an international activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism towards black people. BLM regularly holds protests speaking out against police killings of black people, and broader issues such as racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system.[1]"



They are an organization that supports "civil rights" ... That's the rights of the People.
They are protesting abuses at the hands of the government.

You simply do not empower the People against the government by disarming them ... Period ...

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No one wants to disarm anyone.

They shouted it at the CNN Town Hall and they all walked around with signs stating that was their goal....you can't lie about this anymore.....we already knew, the CNN Town Hall and that rally simply confirmed it for the naive and clueless...

 

[2aguy]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

Terror attacks are even rarer and yet they seem to drive an awful lot of policy...the Patriot Act comes to mind....oh yeah and the Department of Homeland security too.

I also wouldn't call 17 incidents in which someone was injured or killed in span of 12 weeks "extremely rare".

That is a lie.....the Washington Post proved that bloomberg crap is a lie....a guy committing suicide in a school parking lot where the school had been closed for 7 months is not a school shooting.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

It isn't.

Of course it is.

Nope. It isn't.

Normal people realize that kids are far less likely to be shot in school than in their own homes.

Most people are normal. They don't fear school shootings. They have had enough of them, though.

That's why we won't arm teachers or make schools into fortresses. Instead, we will regulate firearms.

Yes why secure a building when we can trample on the rights of everyone instead

 

[Geaux4it]

As you know, BLM's founding principle is NOT to protest law enforcement; it is to protest uneven application of the law due to racial prejudice.

To the contray ....

"Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an international activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism towards black people. BLM regularly holds protests speaking out against police killings of black people, and broader issues such as racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system.[1]"



They are an organization that supports "civil rights" ... That's the rights of the People.
They are protesting abuses at the hands of the government.

You simply do not empower the People against the government by disarming them ... Period ...

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No one wants to disarm anyone.

With all due respect OL, Oregon does

-Geaux

 

[Skull Pilot]

The UK has a much smaller population and gun control that simply isn't going to happen in America, so it's a bad comparison. If you think Americans are going to hand over their hand guns, than sure I guess we can compare them.

Ok add in France, Germany and Japan. When was their last school shooting?

All of which have very strict gun laws that have no realistic chance of passing in the United States where the right to bear arms is a right. You're wanting to make comparisons and assume that we can achieve the same results in the United States. It's just not going to happen.

So relative to other countries school shootings here happen a lot. That’s what I thought.

Yeah, I never said they didn't. The United States has a population of 320+ million, with a very different culture from the countries you've listed. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in the country, and despite that, gun violence has been going down for decades. There is definitely progress to be made, such as dealing with gang violence, suicide prevention/etc.. but going all in on school shootings takes attention away from those very real problems. Honestly, I want to know, what do you propose be done to end school shootings that will actually have an impact? Expanding background checks isn't going to do anything, considering many of the recent mass shooters, if not all of them, passed background checks perfectly fine. So what do we do? Ban all handguns? Arm teachers?

Violent crime has increased 2 years in a row..

a minuscule amount and it's still lower than it was 30 years ago