Scholars Warn Outdated Constitution Has Put Democracy At Risk

[petro]

The U.S. Constitution is a dinosaur!

Let's start with that First Amendment that gives you the right to post nonsense.

 

[dudmuck]

No, it wasn't. Athens was a pure democracy. If 51 out of 100 people voted to kill you, you died.

yes it was a democracy, but they had a court system. They didnt just put up a vote for crimes, they had courts & juries.

 

[badbob85037]

Western Journal 09/16/23​

The few remaining viewers of CNN got a remarkable dose of news on Saturday.

Just in time for Constitution Day, CNN’s dwindling audience learned that the Consitution of the United States — the oldest written government charter in the world and the document that gave birth to the nation that has spread democracy around the globe — has become so “outdated” that it’s actually a “threat to democracy.”

Of course, that’s democracy as CNN’s scholars understand it.​

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CNN Gets Roasted for Absurd Chyron Warning Constitution is 'Outdated, Puts Democracy at Risk'

The genius of the Founding Fathers has never been easy for the left to accept. Now, they're attacking it a "threat."

www.westernjournal.com

Comment:
The Left's version of "democracy" means a one party neo-marxist police state.

It is sure fucked up when you know there are ones out there that take notes when listening to these ass clowns.

 

[JGalt]

CNN is fake news.

 

[DGS49]

The Constitution was intended to be a "threat to democracy," as that term is used by the Left today. There is NOTHING serious that is decided by popular vote in the U.S. Constitution. The voters pick the people who make the decisions; that's it. The Founders knew that the Masses are easily swayed, and will sign up for almost anything if led by an effective charlatan.

Real democracy would be a horrible form of government, as any political scientist knows.

I personally prefer a constitutional monarchy, with me as king.

 

[Darkwind]

Western Journal 09/16/23​

The few remaining viewers of CNN got a remarkable dose of news on Saturday.

Just in time for Constitution Day, CNN’s dwindling audience learned that the Consitution of the United States — the oldest written government charter in the world and the document that gave birth to the nation that has spread democracy around the globe — has become so “outdated” that it’s actually a “threat to democracy.”

Of course, that’s democracy as CNN’s scholars understand it.​

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CNN Gets Roasted for Absurd Chyron Warning Constitution is 'Outdated, Puts Democracy at Risk'

The genius of the Founding Fathers has never been easy for the left to accept. Now, they're attacking it a "threat."

www.westernjournal.com

Comment:
The Left's version of "democracy" means a one party neo-marxist police state.

This is just more of the same. The people who work at CNN and report their skewed information have been trained in the ways of Critical Theory (Marx), and you'll note they allow those who are true believers to speak freely while they gang up on those who push back.

In a sense, they are correct. The Constitution guarantees us a "Republic," not a democracy.

Their beef with it is that they cannot move to corrupt and change it as fast as they want. This slow roll doesn't permit them to yank the wool down over the citizen's eyes in one fell swoop.

Too often, the citizens are smart enough to see through their game and stop them.

Sadly, that will change soon.

They already own the means of information dissemination.
They already own the means of education.
They already own the financing of the means of production.
Soon, they will own the means of production
Soon, they will own the Judiciary.

When that last institution falls, you, me, and the rest of the country will have no recourse but to obey.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

This is just more of the same. The people who work at CNN and report their skewed information have been trained in the ways of Critical Theory (Marx), and you'll note they allow those who are true believers to speak freely while they gang up on those who push back.

In a sense, they are correct. The Constitution guarantees us a "Republic," not a democracy.

Their beef with it is that they cannot move to corrupt and change it as fast as they want. This slow roll doesn't permit them to yank the wool down over the citizen's eyes in one fell swoop.

Too often, the citizens are smart enough to see through their game and stop them.

Sadly, that will change soon.

They already own the means of information dissemination.
They already own the means of education.
They already own the financing of the means of production.
Soon, they will own the means of production
Soon, they will own the Judiciary.

When that last institution falls, you, me, and the rest of the country will have no recourse but to obey.

or leave

 

[jackflash]

Democrats won't even have a Presidential debate within their own party as democracy is a threat to democracy it seems.

Paranoia + hive mentality + ignorance regarding the human condition(human nature) = a dangerous situation!

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

The Constitution is absolutely a threat to "their democracy," because "their democracy" is shit and not supported by the rule of law.

Smash "their democracy" to bits. Piss on the remains.

 

[Meister]

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‘Tyranny of the Minority’ warns Constitution is dangerously outdated​

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt urge institutional reforms, rejection of candidates who violate norms in ‘How Democracies Die’ follow-up​

The U.S. Constitution desperately needs updating, say Harvard government professors Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt.

“We have a very, very old constitution; in fact, the oldest written constitution in the world,” notes Ziblatt, the Eaton Professor of the Science of Government. “It was written in a pre-democratic era. It hasn’t been amended much compared to other democracies. As a result, we have these institutions in place that most other democracies got rid of over the course of the 20th century.”

In their new book “Tyranny of the Minority,” the comparative political scientists argue that these antiquated institutions, including the Electoral College, have protected and enabled an increasingly extremist GOP, which keeps moving farther to the right despite losing the popular vote in all but one of the last eight presidential elections. The scholars also survey governments worldwide for examples of democratizing reforms. And they draw from history in underscoring the dangers of our constitutional stasis.

Levitsky and Ziblatt’s 2018 bestseller, “How Democracies Die,” drew from global case studies to argue that Donald Trump represented a threat to core democratic principles, even flagging the possibility that he would refuse to cede power. Today, in light of the 2020 election — and the 147 Congressional Republicans who voted to overturn the results — the authors say it’s clear the threat is larger than Trump.

Much more at the link below...

Scholars warn of danger in an outdated Constitution

In "Tyranny of the Minority," Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt call for reforms in face of "radicalized" elements in GOP.

news.harvard.edu

I totally agree! What do you think?

That is something a communist would say.
That's what I think.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Trump rebuked for call to suspend Constitution over election​

AP News
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Dec 4, 2022 — Former President Donald Trump is facing rebuke from both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his ...

 

[LuckyDuck]

I agree with you. But on the right, Fascism also has the same qualities when it ends up a Dictatorship. We had a World War over that one. I've been in countries that call themselves Socialist and one that called itself Fascist and there wasn't a whole hell of a lot difference. Both border on a Dictatorship. You think that the degrees of both of these are linear when in reality, they go in a circle where the bottom is a mixture of both but on the top is a Dictatorship.

For the right wing Fascist Dictators, we fought a major World War to get rid of them. The last Fascist Government was Spain but it sat out the war and remained as long as Franco was alive. Franco died in the 70s. Not a lot of individual freedoms there.

Meanwhile, I spent some time in Poland in the early 70s when they were a Soviet Satellite. Not much individual freedoms there either although it was head and shoulders above Russia.

Fascist Governments are supported by and for the Corporations (Capitalists) where the Dictator is allowed to dictate as long as it doesn't cross the Capitalists.

Socialist Governments are where the Government replaces the Capitalists. You can have capitalism but it must pay homage to the Socialist Government.

Socialism and Fascism (the left and the right) really can't operate on large scales although both have tried. It takes severe military power to keep everyone in the selected space. Fear.

Your facts on Fascism are a bit skewed. Under Mussolini's Fascism (he created it), business leaders were allowed to "own" their companies, HOWEVER, Mussolini made it clear that the "government" was ultimately in charge of those companies decisions and productions. In short, large overreaching government control.
The NAZI (National SOCIALIST German Workers Party) was, despite a leftist professor declaring it as "right-wing" and submitting his definition for inclusion in the dictionary as such, a leftist government with total control over manufacturing, production and peoples lives. In short, it was a Socialist nation. The throwing on of uniforms didn't change that fact.
As for republicans, there are a good number of them that actually want a smaller government with less overreach. Less government is what should be preferred.

 

[marvin martian]

I'm not looking to go back to college yet again, and if I was, a university as prestigious as Harvard is supposed to be would surely be out of my budget; but I do have to say that if Harvard is now hiring idiots such as these as professors, then that speaks very poorly of them as an educational institution, and of the quality of “education” that anyone should expect to get there.

Harvard is no longer prestigious. They've been recently exposed for racism, plagiarism, admissions fraud, sexual assaults, and anti-civil rights policies, among other things.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Harvard is no longer prestigious. They've been recently exposed for racism, plagiarism, admissions fraud, sexual assaults, and anti-civil rights policies, among other things.

And now, this—hiring extraordinarily-ignorant professors who would teach the sort of bullshit covered in the OP.

 

[Vrenn]

Your facts on Fascism are a bit skewed. Under Mussolini's Fascism (he created it), business leaders were allowed to "own" their companies, HOWEVER, Mussolini made it clear that the "government" was ultimately in charge of those companies decisions and productions. In short, large overreaching government control.
The NAZI (National SOCIALIST German Workers Party) was, despite a leftist professor declaring it as "right-wing" and submitting his definition for inclusion in the dictionary as such, a leftist government with total control over manufacturing, production and peoples lives. In short, it was a Socialist nation. The throwing on of uniforms didn't change that fact.
As for republicans, there are a good number of them that actually want a smaller government with less overreach. Less government is what should be preferred.

For Fascism to exist, the Capitalists MUST own the corporations. Fascism is the enemy of socialism because it really doesn't give a shit about the little guy, only that he works. But that is just part of Fascism. Fascism depends on 14 points of control. Unlike the Socialists, the Fascists will slowly take over and control the legislators and judicial. They don't need to do away with them, only own them by 60% It also requires taking over the police and military. At one point, it's done "for the good of" but in the end, it's done by fear alone.

 

[LuckyDuck]

For Fascism to exist, the Capitalists MUST own the corporations. Fascism is the enemy of socialism because it really doesn't give a shit about the little guy, only that he works. But that is just part of Fascism. Fascism depends on 14 points of control. Unlike the Socialists, the Fascists will slowly take over and control the legislators and judicial. They don't need to do away with them, only own them by 60% It also requires taking over the police and military. At one point, it's done "for the good of" but in the end, it's done by fear alone.

Wrong! I already said that the Capitalist owner, "owns" the company, BUT....the Fascist government had overall say on what it could do. Do some actual research.

 

[Vrenn]

Wrong! I already said that the Capitalist owner, "owns" the company, BUT....the Fascist government had overall say on what it could do. Do some actual research.

Yes, they do own the company. Hitler didn't take ownership of Messersmith or any other Corporation. But he did control them. Unlike Socialism, Fascism doesn't have the time to run any company itself. And the NAZIs learned from Mussolini as did Franco.

Tell you what, I'll list the 14 points of fascism once again just for you. Rump was almost totally successful. But he lost it because the Military would not do his personal bidding.

Fourteen Points of Fascism​

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism​ Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights​ Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of \u201cneed.\u201d The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause​ The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military​ Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism​ The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. 6. Controlled Mass Media​ Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security​ Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined​ Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected​ The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed​ Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts​ Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free _expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment​ Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption​ Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections​ Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The U.S. Constitution is a dinosaur!

Nothing wrong with that.

It's still relevant and the intellectual class can't stand that it keeps them from pushing agendas they think we need even though they don't bother to ask us.

It's not hard to see the two authors in the OP for what they are.....out of touch.

We have far to many "scholars" who think they know something but have never lived in the real world trying to tell us what we need.

What we don't need is them. Or the OP.

 

[cnm]

Nothing wrong with that.

Apart from all the dysfunction.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Apart from all the dysfunction.

Writing a new constitution won't fix that.