Scholars Warn Outdated Constitution Has Put Democracy At Risk

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes.

Don't be shy, share with the thread.

 

[cnm]

When was the second?

1861-64, give or take.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I know. It's like showing a horseless carriage to a dude in a buggy whip factory. He'll never believe it.

More like using Social Justice claptrap in an to prove Einstein's theory of relativity.

 

[cnm]

I know. It's like showing a horseless carriage to a dude in a buggy whip factory. He'll never believe it.

More like using Social Justice claptrap in an to prove Einstein's theory of relativity.

See?
One can show a buggy whip maker proportional representation, independent electoral commissions and electoral boundaries drawn independently and he'll never believe it.

 

[PeterPilot]

The Constitution doesn't go out of date. The problem is all you loons who refuse to abide by it.

You have a point, but it seems the "loons who refuse to abide by it" are those in government, all 3 branches including SCOTUS.

The document itself has not failed, the humans who took an oath to protect and defend it have failed.

 

[miketx]

Electoral College has nothing to do with it, it's dysfunctional because the parties can't work together.

Because they are all thieving scum.

 

[miketx]

Flawed.

U.S. remains a 'flawed democracy' in annual rankings​

14 Feb 2022 For the past six years, Americans have lived in a "flawed democracy," one dragged down by high levels of polarization and events like the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, according to an annual study of global democracy.​

Liars all.

 

[toobfreak]

You have a point, but it seems the "loons who refuse to abide by it" are those in government, all 3 branches including SCOTUS.

SCOTUS has been doing a pretty good job these past couple of years.

 

[HikerGuy83]

See?
One can show a buggy whip maker proportional representation, independent electoral commissions and electoral boundaries drawn independently and he'll never believe it.

I don't believe in the tooth fairy either.

 

[PeterPilot]

SCOTUS has been doing a pretty good job these past couple of years.

A pretty good job of avoiding constitutional governance. A pretty good job of protecting the rotten status quo.

 

[Hector12]

I would like for the U.S. government to become more democratic. However, as long as the electorate is equally divided and polarized we should wait. There should not be a new constitution, or even major changes in the existing Constitution until there is a broad consensus about what kind of Constitution we should have, and what laws and institutions we should have.

 

[HeyNorm]

The U.S. Constitution is a dinosaur!

No, but you are.

 

[Libby von H]

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‘Tyranny of the Minority’ warns Constitution is dangerously outdated​

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt urge institutional reforms, rejection of candidates who violate norms in ‘How Democracies Die’ follow-up​

The U.S. Constitution desperately needs updating, say Harvard government professors Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt.

“We have a very, very old constitution; in fact, the oldest written constitution in the world,” notes Ziblatt, the Eaton Professor of the Science of Government. “It was written in a pre-democratic era. It hasn’t been amended much compared to other democracies. As a result, we have these institutions in place that most other democracies got rid of over the course of the 20th century.”

In their new book “Tyranny of the Minority,” the comparative political scientists argue that these antiquated institutions, including the Electoral College, have protected and enabled an increasingly extremist GOP, which keeps moving farther to the right despite losing the popular vote in all but one of the last eight presidential elections. The scholars also survey governments worldwide for examples of democratizing reforms. And they draw from history in underscoring the dangers of our constitutional stasis.

Levitsky and Ziblatt’s 2018 bestseller, “How Democracies Die,” drew from global case studies to argue that Donald Trump represented a threat to core democratic principles, even flagging the possibility that he would refuse to cede power. Today, in light of the 2020 election — and the 147 Congressional Republicans who voted to overturn the results — the authors say it’s clear the threat is larger than Trump.

Much more at the link below...


I totally agree! What do you think?

This is warmed up Progressive FDR nonsense.

We had only one President with a PhD and he was a moron (not as bad as Biden, but still a moron)
“Woodrow Wilson and the Rejection of the Founders’ Principles”
https://constitution.hillsdale.edu/document.doc?id=313

rejection of candidates who violate THEIR norms. that is what you mean and they mean

 

[Libby von H]

I would like for the U.S. government to become more democratic. However, as long as the electorate is equally divided and polarized we should wait. There should not be a new constitution, or even major changes in the existing Constitution until there is a broad consensus about what kind of Constitution we should have, and what laws and institutions we should have.

We had that conversation and it was nationwide and accepted by the great mass of ordinary simple interested common folk, as Jefferson boasted 50 years later . And readers, beware, beware, NO MENTION OF THE DECLARATION ,which the Founders up through John Quicny Adams, up to Lincoln and beyond agreed : These unalienable rights are the support of our entire system

"This was the object of the Declaration of Independence. Not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take. Neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, and to give to that expression the proper tone and spirit called for by the occasion. All its authority rests then on the harmonizing sentiments of the day, whether expressed in conversation, in letters, printed essays, or in the elementary books of public right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, etc..."
JEFFERSON

 

[Libby von H]

View attachment 830243

‘Tyranny of the Minority’ warns Constitution is dangerously outdated​

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt urge institutional reforms, rejection of candidates who violate norms in ‘How Democracies Die’ follow-up​

The U.S. Constitution desperately needs updating, say Harvard government professors Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt.

“We have a very, very old constitution; in fact, the oldest written constitution in the world,” notes Ziblatt, the Eaton Professor of the Science of Government. “It was written in a pre-democratic era. It hasn’t been amended much compared to other democracies. As a result, we have these institutions in place that most other democracies got rid of over the course of the 20th century.”

In their new book “Tyranny of the Minority,” the comparative political scientists argue that these antiquated institutions, including the Electoral College, have protected and enabled an increasingly extremist GOP, which keeps moving farther to the right despite losing the popular vote in all but one of the last eight presidential elections. The scholars also survey governments worldwide for examples of democratizing reforms. And they draw from history in underscoring the dangers of our constitutional stasis.

Levitsky and Ziblatt’s 2018 bestseller, “How Democracies Die,” drew from global case studies to argue that Donald Trump represented a threat to core democratic principles, even flagging the possibility that he would refuse to cede power. Today, in light of the 2020 election — and the 147 Congressional Republicans who voted to overturn the results — the authors say it’s clear the threat is larger than Trump.

Much more at the link below...

Scholars warn of danger in an outdated Constitution

In "Tyranny of the Minority," Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt call for reforms in face of "radicalized" elements in GOP.

news.harvard.edu

I totally agree! What do you think?

I think it is ludicrously ill-informed, poorly-reasoned, and barely disguises their Woodrow Wilson leanings.

Covid, the EV monstrosity, the utter waste of the Green spending, and don't forget the real goal of L & Z is the hated
“Disinformation Governance Board,”

This will greatly help democracy Biden said but

On May 18, the board and its working groups were "paused" pending review, after serious constitutional issues were raised. Board head Nina Jankowicz resigned as result of public backlash. On August 24, 2022, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas disbanded the board.

There's that pesky Constitution that stands in our way Unalienable rights that these political scientists want to make alienable. DSG died because it is Hitlerian and Stalinist as any history buff knows. Keep in mind that when Biden was saying the unvaccinated were the problem that 80% of those dying were fully vaccinated. Vaccine rates when I last checked are a little over 2%, they know liars when they see em

 

[Hector12]

The "Founding Fathers" are greatly over estimated. They were intelligent, and well educated for their time, but they did not have timeless insights into "The Absolute Truth."

They were also wealthy. Many owned slaves. This influenced their values and concerns. They were values and concerns we should not respect today.

Some of the "founding fathers" argued that democracies could not survive. Democracies are usually stable. That is because the majority of a country's population will not make major changes in their opinions.

In 1932 the electorate turned moderately to the left. Nevertheless, most of those who voted for Herbert Hoover in 1928 voted for him again in 1932.

In 1980 the electorate turned moderately to the right. Nevertheless, most of us who voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 voted for him again in 1980.

Under a dictatorship a country can move from the Shah of Iran to the Ayatollah Khomeini in a few months.

Right now the oldest democracy is the government of Great Britain. The second oldest democracy is the government of the United States. The only threat to American democracy comes from Trump and his minions.

If we were more democratic Trump would not have been elected president in 2016. Hillary Clinton had more votes.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

In 1980 the electorate turned moderately to the right. Nevertheless, most of us who voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 voted for him again in 1980.

 

[Libby von H]

The "Founding Fathers" are greatly over estimated. They were intelligent, and well educated for their time, but they did not have timeless insights into "The Absolute Truth."

They were also wealthy. Many owned slaves. This influenced their values and concerns. They were values and concerns we should not respect today.

Some of the "founding fathers" argued that democracies could not survive. Democracies are usually stable. That is because the majority of a country's population will not make major changes in their opinions.

In 1932 the electorate turned moderately to the left. Nevertheless, most of those who voted for Herbert Hoover in 1928 voted for him again in 1932.

In 1980 the electorate turned moderately to the right. Nevertheless, most of us who voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 voted for him again in 1980.

Under a dictatorship a country can move from the Shah of Iran to the Ayatollah Khomeini in a few months.

Right now the oldest democracy is the government of Great Britain. The second oldest democracy is the government of the United States. The only threat to American democracy comes from Trump and his minions.

If we were more democratic Trump would not have been elected president in 2016. Hillary Clinton had more votes.

Well you need a logic course because

either all men are created equal OR THEY ARE NOT
we have unalienable rights OR WE HAVE NOT
Government exists to protect those rights OR IT DOES NOT

2+2= 4 OR IT DOES NOT

And how silly to say that you know you have the absolute transhistorical undeniable truth that there is no absolute truth.
Many philosopher have mocked your kind. But logic dispatches you well enough.


THERE IS NO TRUTH AND THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH....If I had said such a mindless thing I'd have drunk poison by now. '

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

View attachment 830243

‘Tyranny of the Minority’ warns Constitution is dangerously outdated​

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt urge institutional reforms, rejection of candidates who violate norms in ‘How Democracies Die’ follow-up​

The U.S. Constitution desperately needs updating, say Harvard government professors Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt.

“We have a very, very old constitution; in fact, the oldest written constitution in the world,” notes Ziblatt, the Eaton Professor of the Science of Government. “It was written in a pre-democratic era. It hasn’t been amended much compared to other democracies. As a result, we have these institutions in place that most other democracies got rid of over the course of the 20th century.”

In their new book “Tyranny of the Minority,” the comparative political scientists argue that these antiquated institutions, including the Electoral College, have protected and enabled an increasingly extremist GOP, which keeps moving farther to the right despite losing the popular vote in all but one of the last eight presidential elections. The scholars also survey governments worldwide for examples of democratizing reforms. And they draw from history in underscoring the dangers of our constitutional stasis.

Levitsky and Ziblatt’s 2018 bestseller, “How Democracies Die,” drew from global case studies to argue that Donald Trump represented a threat to core democratic principles, even flagging the possibility that he would refuse to cede power. Today, in light of the 2020 election — and the 147 Congressional Republicans who voted to overturn the results — the authors say it’s clear the threat is larger than Trump.

Much more at the link below...

Scholars warn of danger in an outdated Constitution

In "Tyranny of the Minority," Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt call for reforms in face of "radicalized" elements in GOP.

news.harvard.edu

I totally agree! What do you think?

The Constitution was always hostile to democracy by design.

This isn’t outdated, democracy is trash.

Repeal the 17th.

 

[Hector12]

The Constitution was always hostile to democracy by design.

This isn’t outdated, democracy is trash.

Repeal the 17th.

My candidates often lose elections. Nevertheless, I prefer the rule of the electorate to the rule of any minority, whether it be a minority of money or intellect.