Save the planet, eat more meat.

[Concerned American]

In the USA, food stamp recipients will also spend their gift from the American Taxpayer on chips, soda pop,

LOL, chips are made from corn or potatoes fried in vegetable oil and soda pop is largely corn syrup. Beef is usually fed on grass, corn or grains---basically plant-based and it tastes much better.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What's funny is that the folks who go on and on about protein (which you correctly pointed out is NOT an issue for most people) seem oblivious to the fact that what most people actually ARE deficient in is fiber. Especially in the US.

This is from Grok:

United States Fiber Deficiency

In the U.S., the data is clearer and paints a stark picture. The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) and other studies consistently show that most Americans don’t get enough fiber:

• Only 5% of men and 9% of women meet the recommended daily fiber intake (25–30 grams for adults, varying by age and sex), meaning 91–95% of U.S. adults are fiber-deficient.
  
  
• Average intake is about 15 grams/day for adults, roughly half the recommended amount.
  
  
• NHANES data (2013–2018) shows women consume ~9.9 grams/1,000 kcal and men ~8.7 grams/1,000 kcal, far below the guideline of 14 grams/1,000 kcal.
  
  
• Fiber deficiency is worse among certain groups, like non-Hispanic Black adults (7 grams/1,000 kcal vs. 9.2 for Hispanics in 2017–18).

Why It Matters

Low fiber intake is linked to higher risks of heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and colorectal cancer, making it a public health priority. In the U.S., the gap is attributed to low consumption of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, plus reliance on processed foods.


But let's keep worrying about protein! ;p

Fiber is one thing I don't lack. Protein either, for that matter.

I have access to all the pumpkin seeds I want and I eat 4 oz a day. Superb protein source
I've never gotten more nutrition in my diet than when I went vegan, and especially the necessary micronutrients and enzymes l

 

[Carl in Michigan]

LOL, chips are made from corn or potatoes fried in vegetable oil and soda pop is largely corn syrup. Beef is usually fed on grass, corn or grains---basically plant-based and it tastes much better.

Do you even understand the point I made? Good grief!

Here it is for the simple minded

FOOD STAMP RECIPIENTS don't get adequate protein NOT because they aren't given the RESOURCES, but because of the food choices they make.

 

[Concerned American]

Do you even understand the point I made? Good grief!

Here it is for the simple minded

FOOD STAMP RECIPIENTS don't get adequate protein NOT because they aren't given the RESOURCES, but because of the food choices they make.

I get it. Lighten up. You're not going to make any of these carnivores into vegan and they likewise won't make you a carnivore. Who cares? The more you try to convince everyone that you've made the right choice, the less convinced YOU seem to be. SMH

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I get it. Lighten up. You're not going to make any of these carnivores into vegan and they likewise won't make you a carnivore. Who cares? The more you try to convince everyone that you've made the right choice, the less convinced YOU seem to be. SMH

This is a board where we voice our OPINIONS. Get used to it.

Third time...
Inadequate protein isn't caused by not enough slaughtered animals, but by culture, lack of education, and poor choices. Woodz it's argues, not to understand, but to simply argue. Most people have no interest in truth.

 

[Concerned American]

This is a board where we voice our OPINIONS. Get used to it.

Third time...
Inadequate protein isn't caused by not enough slaughtered animals, but by culture, lack of education, and poor choices. Woodz it's argues, not to understand, but to simply argue. Most people have no interest in truth.

Most people don't really care what you eat. I don't. The only thing worse for preaching than a reformed smoker is a vegan. That's my opinion. Get used to it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Most people don't really care what you eat. I don't. The only thing worse for preaching than a reformed smoker is a vegan. That's my opinion. Get used to it.

I honestly don't give a ****. Why are you responding in this thread if this discussion doesn't interest you.

I didn't start the thread. I'm responding to the stupidity.

GFY

BTW, I put you on ignore because you aren't dealing with the THREAD TOPIC

 

[Concerned American]

I'm responding to the stupidity.

As am I. Now run your triggered butt back under the rock you climbed out from under. You knew what the thread was about when you responded. Tsk tsk tsk. LMAO

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You bring NOTHING to the discussion

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Most people don't really care what you eat. I don't. The only thing worse for preaching than a reformed smoker is a vegan. That's my opinion. Get used to it.

And "YOUR OPINION" changes no opinions. But still you give it

 

[Concerned American]

You bring NOTHING to the discussion

About as much as you do.

 

[Concerned American]

And "YOUR OPINION" changes no opinions. But still you give it

Back at you. ^^^

 

[Concerned American]

The problem is that people eat too much meat; over 200 pounds per person per year. I eat meat nearly every day but only consume about 50 pounds per year. Recalculate the problem using my consumption figure.

Based on obesity rates people eat way too much food, which of course means more food production, which means more abuse of the land by plowing, chemicals, water needs, etc.

There's a right way to do things, but people just haven't discovered it yet.

I knock down maybe 180 lbs a year and I am not obese--25.1 BMI.

 

[buttercup]

Why are you responding in this thread if this discussion doesn't interest you.

Truest thing I've read all day.

It's not rocket science, just common sense. If you don't like the topic....don't click on the damn thread!

 

[Woodznutz]

WHAT?? I'm sorry but my reading comprehension is pretty good. Yet no where does this link support your assertion that millions of Vegans are dying, In fact is includes an extensive discussion about the importance of plant based protein. Vegans may need to pay attention to properly combining foods to get complete protein as defined by a balance of essential amino acids,,, but they are not dying from a lack of protien

I am actually trying to understand you and take you seriously, but you really have to stop making these rash and idiotic statements.

By the way, I am not a Vegan, or even a vegetarian. I eat dairy, eggs, fish and poultry. Just no mammals . Arbitrary? Perhaps . But after experimenting with a lot of different diets, it is what works for me in terms of how I feel physically ,and just as importantly, how I feel about what I eat

"It is primarily in the third World that protein energy malnutrition (PEM) affects 500 million people and kills 10 million every year."

Malnutrition in Third World Countries – Religion Online

 

[Woodznutz]

This is a board where we voice our OPINIONS. Get used to it.

Third time...
Inadequate protein isn't caused by not enough slaughtered animals, but by culture, lack of education, and poor choices. Woodz it's argues, not to understand, but to simply argue. Most people have no interest in truth.

The people dying of starvation and lack of protein are not able to be educated about vegetable protein. Getting domestic livestock into their culture is the only reasonable way forward.

Vegetable protein in the form of fortified 'peanut paste' is used to save starving infants, who grow up 'protein starved' and die anyway. Send more cows.

 

[Woodznutz]

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10 million deaths per year from lack of protein is acceptable to you?

"It is primarily in the third World that protein energy malnutrition (PEM) affects 500 million people and kills 10 million every year."

 

[Woodznutz]

I knock down maybe 180 lbs a year and I am not obese--25.1 BMI.

Been there, done that as well. BMI 20.5.

 

[Woodznutz]

Don't forget the Asian carp.

It does seem that we could feed the hungry of the world with these invasive species.

High protein species.

 

[Woodznutz]

You don't get leather, or dozens of other useful byproducts unless an animal first eats those plants.

Edit.
I don't recall ever seeing an honest evaluation of the overall economics of raising vegetables vs animals for food. In most of the west we have ample of all food varieties, so the comparison isn't very important for us. And if we are going to feed the rest of the world, I suggest teaching them how to fish instead of just giving them our fish.