Save the planet, eat more meat.

[TheProgressivePatriot]

So, no rebuttal, just sarcasm?

see post 11

 

[Woodznutz]

Really?? Please explain

The land is being worked to death. Not good for the land, or us. Forests and grasslands are being plowed up to plant more vegetables and grains, all so people can continue to overeat.

 

[Woodznutz]

see post 11

See post 18.

 

[Woodznutz]

"Diet for a Small Planet," by Frances Moore Lappé, is a groundbreaking book advocating for a plant-based diet as a solution to global hunger and environmental problems. Published in 1971, it argues that the industrialized food system, particularly meat production, is wasteful, inefficient, and harmful to both human health and the planet. The book promotes the idea that a shift towards plant-centered eating, focusing on whole grains, vegetables, and legumes, can address food scarcity, reduce environmental impact, and promote social justice.

• Critique of the Meat-Heavy Diet:
  The book highlights the inefficiencies of meat production, showing how much land, water, and energy are required to raise livestock compared to growing crops for direct human consumption.
  
  
• Plant-Based Nutrition:
  Lappé demonstrates that a plant-based diet can provide all the necessary protein and nutrients for a healthy life, challenging the common belief that meat is essential
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• Environmental Impact:
  "Diet for a Small Planet" emphasizes the environmental consequences of industrial agriculture, including deforestation, water pollution from fertilizer runoff, and greenhouse gas emissions.

The solution for global hunger is to have fewer children in the developing world. Hard to develop when your people are starving.

 

[toobfreak]

lolol... (I'm laughing because I rarely start these threads, but I get paged to them....

And yet just like Pavlov's Dog, here you are chomping at the bit with your usual bullshit.

I'll never go back to eating the decaying corpses of abused, terrified, tortured animals.

Unless you hunted gazelle on the Serengeti with lions, you never did that. Animals hunted and killed in Africa are routinely tortured and terrified before killing, then left to decay (crocodiles prefer their meat that way), but otherwise, you've eaten no corpses, the meat was cut up into steaks by the time you saw it, none of it was decaying, because it was all kept well-refrigerated and fresh according to USDA standards, none of it was abused, a meaningless term you fail to define, farm animals lead a rather idyllic life, none of them was terrified, except maybe a little the last few seconds as it was being dispatched, and I seriously doubt any of the animals were tortured. But then, you probably count the ear tag they get as a form of torture and use some video made in the 1970s as your backing.

Bottom line, as usual, you dramatize and make shit up to justify your own food choices by putting down others with horsecrap.

 

[Woodznutz]

The biggest problem in agriculture and food production is the mismanagement of animal manures and the wanton use of chemical replacements.

 

[Woodznutz]

lolol... (I'm laughing because I rarely start these threads, but I get paged to them....which is pretty much the opposite of how a few folks on this site portray things.)

As for carnivorism....Nooope. I'll never go back to eating the decaying corpses of abused, terrified, tortured animals. Just the thought of it now is weird and gross to me.


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Everything including vegetables begin to decay once harvested. Also, there's actually more vegetable waste than animal waste in our food system. Animal skins are made into leather. Vegetable 'skins' go to landfills where they feed rats and produce methane.

 

[The Duke]

The problem with Burmese python meat is they've found high levels of mercury in the meat. Not sure how big the sample size is, it probably merits a larger study.

Could be it swallowed an old barometer or something.

 

[The Duke]

The biggest problem in agriculture and food production is the mismanagement of animal manures and the wanton use of chemical replacements.

Moar poop cannons!

 

[Woodznutz]

The biggest problem in agriculture and food production is the mismanagement of animal manures and the wanton use of chemical replacements.

India, a country that can ill afford bad ag practices, is a good example.

Killing the Soil: How Chemical Farming is Destroying India’s Fertile Lands​

Killing the Soil: How Chemical Farming is Destroying India’s Fertile Lands – Fresh Farmse

freshfarmse.com

 

[Woodznutz]

Moar poop cannons!

More mixed ag with animals doing their thing on the land.

 

[MarathonMike]

Could be it swallowed an old barometer or something.

Hopefully the study was more than one Python.

 

[The Duke]

Hopefully the study was more than one Python.

But that one's levels got added into the average.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

True. Vegetables produce more gas than meat.

All vegetables??? Really??

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The problem is that people eat too much meat; over 200 pounds per person per year. I eat meat nearly every day but only consume about 50 pounds per year. Recalculate the problem using my consumption figure.

Based on obesity rates people eat way too much food, which of course means more food production, which means more abuse of the land by plowing, chemicals, water needs, etc.

There's a right way to do things, but people just haven't discovered it yet.

You seem to be afflicted with a bad case of fuzzy thinking. You started this buy proclaiming that people should eat more meat. Then at some point you decided that people just eat too much. The fact is that some people do eat too much while others do not eat enough, and that is not by choice.

Another fact is that a tremendous amount of the foo that's produced is wasted, in part because because it is not distributed equitably or rationally .

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

As a "revolution" the book is an abysmal failure. We are overeating and our health is declining.

Really ?And what are you basing that on?. Offering an opinion without anything to back it up is nothing more that an appeal to ignorance logical fallacy

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Growing vegetables is destroying the planet.

You have yet to explain that, The fact is that growing vegetables and grains to feed to animal that we then eat is a grossly inefficient way to feed the planet, We can produce enough food and more to feed everyone but only if we make better use of the land. There is no way in hell that you can refute that,

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The solution for global hunger is to have fewer children in the developing world. Hard to develop when your people are starving.

Sure , over population is a problem in some regions, But what does that have to do with the premise of your thread.? "eat more meat?? or is is Eat less? Or is is it vegetables are killing the earth?

Lets recap , You started this mess my proclaiming that we can save the planet by eating more meat, Then you claimed that growing vegetables is killing the planet,

Then in post 17 you state that the problem is that people just eat too much meat ! Is there something wrong with you?

After that you decided that we just eat too much, without acknowledging the fact that some people do not get enough food. Now you’re pivoting to over population.

What the hell does "saving the planet " really mean to you and what would it look like? Does saving the planet mean saving the human species? Or does it mean preserving it as a viable life sustaining environment for all species and plant life,? (which in the absence of humans would be more probable)

It seems that you have no idea where you want to go with this. For all of your blathering, , you have never once presented what you believe to be a rational and sustainable land use policy or agricultural practice except some vague reference to grass lands and returning land to forests

At the same time you totally ignore the social, political and economic aspects of food production and distribution. Are you at all concerned about- or even aware of -the fact that there are people right here in this country who are hungry despite the abundance of food? Save the planet? How about save the hungry children?

You really do not seem to know what it is that you believe , Your thread started out as a idiotic mess and it still is. Your thread seems to be a bad joke without a punch line, except that hunger is not funny and you have no solution for it.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Based on obesity rates people eat way too much food,

People eat too much bad food,

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

We could return half of our croplands to grasslands and forests if we ate less food. This would even improve the weather/climate.

The real problem is how much we waist and how much food that we produce does not get to the people who need it because of politics ,economics and logistics. Producing less will not solve that and may actually exacerbate the problem.

We do not need to do away with crop lands. We have plenty of open space, We need to use the land more rationally and efficiently