Save the planet, eat more meat.

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I include cereal grains as well which deplete the soil causing the use of more chemicals. Vast fields of grains can hardly be fertilized with animal manures, but if people ate more meat less acreage would be needed for grains and other vegetables. More land could be turned into pasture and hay land. The acreage used to produce ethanol is another environmental tragedy.

Ethanol's outsized place in the U.S. energy system

frontiergroup.org

Now we're back to eating more meat??? You flip f;op more that Trump

 

[Woodznutz]

It is hardly a ridiculous claim and your link does not refute it. In fact there is very little information about of that works

Good news travels slow.

 

[buttercup]

Billions of animals are killed growing and harvesting food and crops.​

What do you think the 92 billion land animals raised to be “food” eat? Crops. For example, almost 80% of soy produced on earth is fed to the farmed animals that people eat.

So if you truly cared about mice and other small animals being indirectly killed during crop harvesting (which I don't think you do, you're just trying to argue against plantbased eating ) then you wouldn't be a meat eater, because it requires many times more plants to be harvested to eat meat than it does to just eat the plantfoods ourselves.

 

[Woodznutz]

Seriously?? Can you document that please.

FAO predicts global shortage of protein-rich foods - Alliance for Science

A global shortage of protein-rich foods is expected this year due to COVID-19 and other factors, says a new report by the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO). The anticipated reduced availability of protein products is expected to result in decreased consumption worldwide, particularly...

allianceforscience.org

 

[Woodznutz]

Seriously?? Can you document that please.

Protein is an important part of a basic diet, but an estimated one billion people worldwide suffer from protein deficiency. The problem is most severe in Central Africa and South Asia, where about 30 percent of children consume too little protein. Protein deficiency causes various diseases, including kwashiorkor, which causes delayed growth and bloated bellies in children; edema, which causes swollen and puffy skin; fatty liver, which could result in liver failure; and skin, hair, nail and muscle problems. Lack of protein also causes poor wound healing, increased severity of infections, a weakened immune system, greater risk of bone fracture and stunted growth, which affects more than 160 million children annually. If left untreated, some of these conditions could lead to death.

FAO predicts global shortage of protein-rich foods - Alliance for Science

A global shortage of protein-rich foods is expected this year due to COVID-19 and other factors, says a new report by the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO). The anticipated reduced availability of protein products is expected to result in decreased consumption worldwide, particularly...

allianceforscience.org

 

[Woodznutz]

Now we're back to eating more meat??? You flip f;op more that Trump

The third world needs more protein in their diets, we don't.

 

[buttercup]

Protein is an important part of a basic diet, but an estimated one billion people worldwide suffer from protein deficiency. The problem is most severe in Central Africa and South Asia, where about 30 percent of children consume too little protein. Protein deficiency causes various diseases, including kwashiorkor, which causes delayed growth and bloated bellies in children; edema, which causes swollen and puffy skin; fatty liver, which could result in liver failure; and skin, hair, nail and muscle problems. Lack of protein also causes poor wound healing, increased severity of infections, a weakened immune system, greater risk of bone fracture and stunted growth, which affects more than 160 million children annually. If left untreated, some of these conditions could lead to death.

Come on, Woodnutz. You're smarter than this. Or at least I thought you were.

"Protein tho" is one of the most ignorant, easily disprovable "arguments" of all. And that's saying a lot. In fact, I'm amazed that in 2025 anyone would be ignorant enough to try to use that as an argument.

Where do you think the animals you eat get their protein from? PLANTS. Protein is in all sorts of plantfoods.

I've been vegan for 9 years, and I've never had a problem with protein. Not even close! And like I've mentioned before on other threads, in the last 9 years, every single time I've gotten my bloodwork done, it comes back near perfect. In other words, no deficiencies at all.

In fact, I kid you not... my PCP (who jokes around a lot) actually said to me "Your bloodwork is so good you could sell it on Ebay."

But you know what? We've had these same discussions SO many times, it is actually getting ridiculous and hilarious that you keep starting threads on this topic to keep having the same "arguments" over and over again. And frankly, I'm bored with it by now. At least with you. If new people come along, I might reply, but with you we've been through this at least 10,000 times.

Maybe Carl in Michigan will oblige you, but I don't want to spend my Sunday going through the same debates I've had with you 10,000 times. Sorry.

 

[Woodznutz]

What do you think the 92 billion land animals raised to be “food” eat? Crops. For example, almost 80% of soy produced on earth is fed to the farmed animals that people eat.

So if you truly cared about mice and other small animals being indirectly killed during crop harvesting (which I don't think you do, you're just trying to argue against plantbased eating ) then you wouldn't be a meat eater, because it requires many times more plants to be harvested to eat meat than it does to just eat the plantfoods ourselves.


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You don't get leather, or dozens of other useful byproducts unless an animal first eats those plants.

 

[Woodznutz]

Come on, Woodnutz. You're smarter than this. Or at least I thought you were.

"Protein tho" is one of the most ignorant, easily disprovable "arguments" of all. And that's saying a lot. In fact, I'm amazed that in 2025 anyone would be ignorant enough to try to use that as an argument.

Where do you think the animals you eat get their protein from? PLANTS. Protein is in all sorts of plantfoods.

I've been vegan for 9 years, and I've never had a problem with protein. Not even close! And like I've mentioned before on other threads, in the last 9 years, every single time I've gotten my bloodwork done, it comes back near perfect. In other words, no deficiencies at all.

In fact, I kid you not... my PCP (who jokes around a lot) actually said to me "Your bloodwork is so good you could sell it on Ebay."

But you know what? We've had these same discussions SO many times, it is actually getting ridiculous and hilarious that you keep starting threads on this topic to keep having the same "arguments" over and over again. And frankly, I'm bored with it by now. At least with you. If new people come along, I might reply, but with you we've been through this at least 10,000 times.

Maybe Carl in Michigan will oblige you, but I don't want to spend my Sunday going through the same debates I've had with you 10,000 times. Sorry.

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The topic is with the billions of protein starved people in the third world who mainly eat plant foods. What little protein they get is poor quality.

Read how "Cows for Africa" has changed so many lives for the better.

How Devon farmer's send-a-cow-to-Africa charity has changed lives - Farmers Weekly

A Devon farmer’s idea to send cows to Uganda has grown into an organisation offering training in sustainable farming and business skills across rural east

www.fwi.co.uk

What is almost ironic is that although the destiny of farm animals is to be slaughtered for food their presence and care help to bring out the humanity in those who care for them.

 

[buttercup]

You don't get leather, or dozens of other useful byproducts unless an animal first eats those plants.

I don't buy leather anymore. Or other byproducts. I mean... I realize of course this is not a perfect world, so it's nearly impossible to avoid ALL things that come from animal cruelty. But it's not about perfection. It's about boycotting things that I know come from cruelty to animals. And it's not that hard, really. I mean, once one has the knowledge.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

FAO predicts global shortage of protein-rich foods - Alliance for Science

A global shortage of protein-rich foods is expected this year due to COVID-19 and other factors, says a new report by the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO). The anticipated reduced availability of protein products is expected to result in decreased consumption worldwide, particularly...

allianceforscience.org

WHAT?? I'm sorry but my reading comprehension is pretty good. Yet no where does this link support your assertion that millions of Vegans are dying, In fact is includes an extensive discussion about the importance of plant based protein. Vegans may need to pay attention to properly combining foods to get complete protein as defined by a balance of essential amino acids,,, but they are not dying from a lack of protien

I am actually trying to understand you and take you seriously, but you really have to stop making these rash and idiotic statements.

By the way, I am not a Vegan, or even a vegetarian. I eat dairy, eggs, fish and poultry. Just no mammals . Arbitrary? Perhaps . But after experimenting with a lot of different diets, it is what works for me in terms of how I feel physically ,and just as importantly, how I feel about what I eat

 

[DukeU]

What do you think the 92 billion land animals raised to be “food” eat? Crops. For example, almost 80% of soy produced on earth is fed to the farmed animals that people eat.

So if you truly cared about mice and other small animals being indirectly killed during crop harvesting (which I don't think you do, you're just trying to argue against plantbased eating ) then you wouldn't be a meat eater, because it requires many times more plants to be harvested to eat meat than it does to just eat the plantfoods ourselves.


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You're right I don't care.

I'm simply pointing out the fact that animals are being killed regardless.

"yea but my way kills less" is a stupid argument.

 

[DukeU]

I don't buy leather anymore. Or other byproducts. I mean... I realize of course this is not a perfect world, so it's nearly impossible to avoid ALL things that come from animal cruelty. But it's not about perfection. It's about boycotting things that I know come from cruelty to animals. And it's not that hard, really. I mean, once one has the knowledge.

I bet you have many things in your house right now with the purpose of killing animals/living things.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Protein is an important part of a basic diet, but an estimated one billion people worldwide suffer from protein deficiency. The problem is most severe in Central Africa and South Asia, where about 30 percent of children consume too little protein. Protein deficiency causes various diseases, including kwashiorkor, which causes delayed growth and bloated bellies in children; edema, which causes swollen and puffy skin; fatty liver, which could result in liver failure; and skin, hair, nail and muscle problems. Lack of protein also causes poor wound healing, increased severity of infections, a weakened immune system, greater risk of bone fracture and stunted growth, which affects more than 160 million children annually. If left untreated, some of these conditions could lead to death.

FAO predicts global shortage of protein-rich foods - Alliance for Science

A global shortage of protein-rich foods is expected this year due to COVID-19 and other factors, says a new report by the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO). The anticipated reduced availability of protein products is expected to result in decreased consumption worldwide, particularly...

allianceforscience.org

 

[Carl in Michigan]

When I as

ked WHY they don't get adequate protein.....

ChatGPT

You said:​

What is the main reason the poor dont get adequate protein

ChatGPT said:​

The main reason poor populations don't get adequate protein is economic and food insecurity — they simply can't afford or access enough protein-rich foods.

Here’s a breakdown of the key contributing factors:

1. Cost of Protein Sources: Animal-based proteins like meat, eggs, and dairy are often too expensive. Even plant-based proteins like beans, lentils, or nuts can be costly or unavailable in certain regions.
2. Limited Access to Diverse Diets: In many low-income areas, people rely heavily on staple foods like rice, maize, or cassava that are calorie-dense but protein-poor.
3. Agricultural and Infrastructure Barriers: Poor regions may lack the agricultural systems, refrigeration, transportation, and markets needed to distribute protein-rich foods effectively.
4. Conflict and Displacement: War, political instability, and displacement reduce access to regular meals and nutritious food, including protein.
5. Education and Awareness: Some communities lack knowledge about affordable protein sources or proper nutrition, leading to imbalanced diets.
6. Climate Change and Environmental Stress: Droughts, floods, and crop failures reduce food production, often hitting high-protein crops or livestock hardest.

In short: protein deficiency among the poor is mostly a poverty and access issue, not a lack of global supply.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I don't buy leather anymore. Or other byproducts. I mean... I realize of course this is not a perfect world, so it's nearly impossible to avoid ALL things that come from animal cruelty. But it's not about perfection. It's about boycotting things that I know come from cruelty to animals. And it's not that hard, really. I mean, once one has the knowledge.

Yes. I'm not a "perfect" vegan either,but if everyone did as I do, there would be no market for this continued Holocaust. It would end yesterday

 

[buttercup]

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What's funny is that the folks who go on and on about protein (which you correctly pointed out is NOT an issue for most people) seem oblivious to the fact that what most people actually ARE deficient in is fiber. Especially in the US.

This is from Grok:

United States Fiber Deficiency

In the U.S., the data is clearer and paints a stark picture. The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) and other studies consistently show that most Americans don’t get enough fiber:

• Only 5% of men and 9% of women meet the recommended daily fiber intake (25–30 grams for adults, varying by age and sex), meaning 91–95% of U.S. adults are fiber-deficient.
  
  
• Average intake is about 15 grams/day for adults, roughly half the recommended amount.
  
  
• NHANES data (2013–2018) shows women consume ~9.9 grams/1,000 kcal and men ~8.7 grams/1,000 kcal, far below the guideline of 14 grams/1,000 kcal.
  
  
• Fiber deficiency is worse among certain groups, like non-Hispanic Black adults (7 grams/1,000 kcal vs. 9.2 for Hispanics in 2017–18).

Why It Matters

Low fiber intake is linked to higher risks of heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and colorectal cancer, making it a public health priority. In the U.S., the gap is attributed to low consumption of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, plus reliance on processed foods.


But let's keep worrying about protein! ;p

 

[Concerned American]

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There ya go! You eat your beans and I'll eat a big juicy filet mignon. We're both happy and I'll get more meat for less $$$.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What's funny is that the folks who go on and on about protein (which you correctly pointed out is NOT an issue for most people) seem oblivious to the fact that what most people actually ARE deficient in is fiber. Especially in the US.

This is from Grok:

United States Fiber Deficiency

In the U.S., the data is clearer and paints a stark picture. The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) and other studies consistently show that most Americans don’t get enough fiber:

• Only 5% of men and 9% of women meet the recommended daily fiber intake (25–30 grams for adults, varying by age and sex), meaning 91–95% of U.S. adults are fiber-deficient.
  
  
• Average intake is about 15 grams/day for adults, roughly half the recommended amount.
  
  
• NHANES data (2013–2018) shows women consume ~9.9 grams/1,000 kcal and men ~8.7 grams/1,000 kcal, far below the guideline of 14 grams/1,000 kcal.
  
  
• Fiber deficiency is worse among certain groups, like non-Hispanic Black adults (7 grams/1,000 kcal vs. 9.2 for Hispanics in 2017–18).

Why It Matters

Low fiber intake is linked to higher risks of heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and colorectal cancer, making it a public health priority. In the U.S., the gap is attributed to low consumption of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, plus reliance on processed foods.


But let's keep worrying about protein! ;p

Yes, and these "protein deficiencies" are primarily caused by corrupt government and lack of education.

In the USA, food stamp recipients will also spend their gift from the American Taxpayer on chips, soda pop, and other junk food instead of beans, lentils, or other economical protein sources.