Saudi religious cops tell women not to use swings

[irosie91]

Fortunately the religious police are few in number and banned from several cities. The Saudis consider them pests.

Really?? It seems that the government could stop them if they wanted to. It actually sounds like they are paid by the government. They do have some ridiculous ideas,

Morality police ban dog-walking | Toronto Star

I don't know what they are doing in Toronto but the Saudis have raised Salukis for a few thousand years`.. Lots of dogs and cats in Arabia.

The religious police don't have police powers.. and with a new appointment they have been called down or retrained from being so aggressive.

They will ultimately go the way of the Dodo. There is so much happening in KSA these days that new clerics are taking a fresh look at the Koran.

Up until about 60 years ago most were illiterate.. so what passes for Islam is sometimes tribal traditions.

You learned your propaganda lessons well. There is a "religious revival" going
on in the islamic world RIGHT NOW-----as there have been periodically for the past
1400 years. All have been just as bloody and barbaric as is the present one-----
wealth is keeping the big time filth out of saudi arabia------but there is no way of
predicting just how the sickness will affect that country in the near future. For
many centuries TUNISIA was an island of sanity in the islamic world ----it is
falling into the CESSPIT OF SHARIAH If Iran has its way-----there will by AYATOILETS
in Saudi arabia in the near future. Try not to use the "tribal tradition" excuse---
it is silly. especially since those "tribal traditions" seem to get carried WITH
islam wherever islam goes. WE got "TRIBAL TRADTION" right now in
the USA amongst people who never lived in middle eastern or subsaharan "tribes"

 

[Sally]

Really?? It seems that the government could stop them if they wanted to. It actually sounds like they are paid by the government. They do have some ridiculous ideas,

Morality police ban dog-walking | Toronto Star

I don't know what they are doing in Toronto but the Saudis have raised Salukis for a few thousand years`.. Lots of dogs and cats in Arabia.

The religious police don't have police powers.. and with a new appointment they have been called down or retrained from being so aggressive.

They will ultimately go the way of the Dodo. There is so much happening in KSA these days that new clerics are taking a fresh look at the Koran.

Up until about 60 years ago most were illiterate.. so what passes for Islam is sometimes tribal traditions.

You learned your propaganda lessons well. There is a "religious revival" going
on in the islamic world RIGHT NOW-----as there have been periodically for the past
1400 years. All have been just as bloody and barbaric as is the present one-----
wealth is keeping the big time filth out of saudi arabia------but there is no way of
predicting just how the sickness will affect that country in the near future. For
many centuries TUNISIA was an island of sanity in the islamic world ----it is
falling into the CESSPIT OF SHARIAH If Iran has its way-----there will by AYATOILETS
in Saudi arabia in the near future. Try not to use the "tribal tradition" excuse---
it is silly. especially since those "tribal traditions" seem to get carried WITH
islam wherever islam goes. WE got "TRIBAL TRADTION" right now in
the USA amongst people who never lived in middle eastern or subsaharan "tribes"

I don't believe anything she says. If the Saudis wanted to, they could very easily get rid of these Morality Police by starting to arrest some of them.

 

[Shaarona]

I don't know what they are doing in Toronto but the Saudis have raised Salukis for a few thousand years`.. Lots of dogs and cats in Arabia.

The religious police don't have police powers.. and with a new appointment they have been called down or retrained from being so aggressive.

They will ultimately go the way of the Dodo. There is so much happening in KSA these days that new clerics are taking a fresh look at the Koran.

Up until about 60 years ago most were illiterate.. so what passes for Islam is sometimes tribal traditions.

You learned your propaganda lessons well. There is a "religious revival" going
on in the islamic world RIGHT NOW-----as there have been periodically for the past
1400 years. All have been just as bloody and barbaric as is the present one-----
wealth is keeping the big time filth out of saudi arabia------but there is no way of
predicting just how the sickness will affect that country in the near future. For
many centuries TUNISIA was an island of sanity in the islamic world ----it is
falling into the CESSPIT OF SHARIAH If Iran has its way-----there will by AYATOILETS
in Saudi arabia in the near future. Try not to use the "tribal tradition" excuse---
it is silly. especially since those "tribal traditions" seem to get carried WITH
islam wherever islam goes. WE got "TRIBAL TRADTION" right now in
the USA amongst people who never lived in middle eastern or subsaharan "tribes"

I don't believe anything she says. If the Saudis wanted to, they could very easily get rid of these Morality Police by starting to arrest some of them.

Many of them have been canned and there weren't any around until the late 1970s... After the Iranian Revolution. .. everyone was trying to outdo each other as to who could be a stricter Muslim.

New converts often to that as well.

The GCC is nothing like Iran...

 

[Sunni Man]

I totally support the Matawa (religious police) and wish we had them here in the U.S. ...

 

[Shaarona]

I totally support the Matawa (religious police) and wish we had them here in the U.S. ...

They were thrown out of the International Book Fair in Jeddah a couple of years ago.

 

[aris2chat]

Silly-Sally is always soo concerned about what happens in the muslim world on the other side of the globe.

Yet here in the USA a woman is raped every 2 minutes 24/7/365

And every 5 minutes a woman is beaten or killed by boyfriend/husband.

Maybe she should concern herself to her own backyard. ...

If you want to talk about rape in the USA then go to that board.
Sally talks about what is happening on the other side of the world because that is what this board is labeled for.

On a middle east boar we talk about the middle east. If you want to talk about what is happening in the US go the US discussion boards on this site.

 

[aris2chat]

I totally support the Matawa (religious police) and wish we had them here in the U.S. ...

They were thrown out of the International Book Fair in Jeddah a couple of years ago.

Saudi Arabia: The Religious Police and the Riyadh Bookfair.
Posted on March 15, 2011 by American Bedu


The Riyadh book fair is a rare public occasion in Saudi; This year more than 700 publishing houses took part in the book fair with more than 300,000 books.

Every year more visitors attend the fair. It attracts more and more families too, there is a children’s corner, with seating and many books to read.
Besides bookseller the Haya, (religious police) not only zealously patrol the fair and impound books they deem haram and advise women to cover more, they also typically have a stand of their own. In this stand they display ”forbidden items”.

At last years bookfair there were rumors that the fair would be segregated. Luckily that did not turn out to be true. Actually it seems that more and more women are attending the book fair.
This year’s fair was unique in being supposed to be relatively free from censorship for the first time.
While the religious police were quite demure last year, at this year’s book fair things were different. This year they came to the fair in numbers! Five hundred muttawas started a row, objecting to women reporters without face veil, slamming poetry books and trying to start rows with the visitors on the grounds that they were engaging in ‘unethical’ practices.

Security forces had to interfere and arrested around 100 ”protesters”. The fair had to be closed early.

Saudi Arabia: The Religious Police and the Riyadh Bookfair. | American Bedu

 

[Sunni Man]

Silly-Sally is always soo concerned about what happens in the muslim world on the other side of the globe.

Yet here in the USA a woman is raped every 2 minutes 24/7/365

And every 5 minutes a woman is beaten or killed by boyfriend/husband.

Maybe she should concern herself to her own backyard. ...

If you want to talk about rape in the USA then go to that board.
Sally talks about what is happening on the other side of the world because that is what this board is labeled for.

On a middle east boar we talk about the middle east. If you want to talk about what is happening in the US go the US discussion boards on this site.

When you become a Mod let me know.

Otherwise buzz off........

 

[Shaarona]

I totally support the Matawa (religious police) and wish we had them here in the U.S. ...

They were thrown out of the International Book Fair in Jeddah a couple of years ago.

Saudi Arabia: The Religious Police and the Riyadh Bookfair.
Posted on March 15, 2011 by American Bedu


The Riyadh book fair is a rare public occasion in Saudi; This year more than 700 publishing houses took part in the book fair with more than 300,000 books.

Every year more visitors attend the fair. It attracts more and more families too, there is a children’s corner, with seating and many books to read.
Besides bookseller the Haya, (religious police) not only zealously patrol the fair and impound books they deem haram and advise women to cover more, they also typically have a stand of their own. In this stand they display ”forbidden items”.

At last years bookfair there were rumors that the fair would be segregated. Luckily that did not turn out to be true. Actually it seems that more and more women are attending the book fair.
This year’s fair was unique in being supposed to be relatively free from censorship for the first time.
While the religious police were quite demure last year, at this year’s book fair things were different. This year they came to the fair in numbers! Five hundred muttawas started a row, objecting to women reporters without face veil, slamming poetry books and trying to start rows with the visitors on the grounds that they were engaging in ‘unethical’ practices.

Security forces had to interfere and arrested around 100 ”protesters”. The fair had to be closed early.

Saudi Arabia: The Religious Police and the Riyadh Bookfair. | American Bedu

There are other public occasion in Arabia.

Here's a partial list.

Trade Shows in Jeddah,Trade Fairs in Jeddah,Jeddah Trade Events,Jeddah Exhibitions & Expositions,Saudi Arabia

 

[Phoenall]

There are probably many Saudi women who move to America, Canada and Europe who are happy to get away from these moral police.

Saudi religious cops tell women not to use swings




Also: Restaurants shut over gender-mixing
By
Staff
Published Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Saudi Arabia’s feared religious police entered a public park in the Gulf Kingdom and told women to stop using swings, an act that drew applause and criticism by viewers of a picture showing the men warning some women at the swings.
The picture went viral on social networks in Saudi Arabia before it was published by newspapers showing two men from the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice warning women against using the swings.

Continue reading at:

Saudi religious cops tell women not to use swings - Emirates 24/7

Fortunately the religious police are few in number and banned from several cities. The Saudis consider them pests.

The British consider them to be violent terrorist thugs, and will arrest them on sight. Does not stop them from being violent towards American tourists in London.

 

[Shaarona]

There are probably many Saudi women who move to America, Canada and Europe who are happy to get away from these moral police.

Saudi religious cops tell women not to use swings




Also: Restaurants shut over gender-mixing
By
Staff
Published Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Saudi Arabia’s feared religious police entered a public park in the Gulf Kingdom and told women to stop using swings, an act that drew applause and criticism by viewers of a picture showing the men warning some women at the swings.
The picture went viral on social networks in Saudi Arabia before it was published by newspapers showing two men from the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice warning women against using the swings.

Continue reading at:

Saudi religious cops tell women not to use swings - Emirates 24/7

Fortunately the religious police are few in number and banned from several cities. The Saudis consider them pests.

The British consider them to be violent terrorist thugs, and will arrest them on sight. Does not stop them from being violent towards American tourists in London.

There are Muttawa in London??

 

[HenryBHough]

keywords for your websearch:

King's Cross

London bus


those will work better is you include the word "bomb" with either.

 

[Sally]

Silly-Sally is always soo concerned about what happens in the muslim world on the other side of the globe.

Yet here in the USA a woman is raped every 2 minutes 24/7/365

And every 5 minutes a woman is beaten or killed by boyfriend/husband.

Maybe she should concern herself to her own backyard. ...

Naturally, Sunni Man, that good Muslim convert wants to overlook what his fellow Muslims are doing to women. No doubt he isn't interested in the fact that his Muslim brothers are not only raping and killing women in the Muslim world, but theat they are raping their way across Europe. Evidently he doesn't think that there are Muslims in the U.S. who have raped, beat up or killed their wives and girlfriends. And horrors or horrors, he probably doesn't even think his fellow Muslims have brought their habit of honor killings with them to Europe and the U.S. By the way, Mr. Cuckoo, this happens to be the Middle East forum and Saudi Arabia is in the Middle East. If you want to talk about what is happening to women by non-Muslims, I am sure with all the various forums available to you, you will find one that is apropos.

 

[Sunni Man]

If you want to talk about what is happening to women by non-Muslims, I am sure with all the various forums available to you, you will find one that is apropos.

Do tell ....

 

[Sally]

You learned your propaganda lessons well. There is a "religious revival" going
on in the islamic world RIGHT NOW-----as there have been periodically for the past
1400 years. All have been just as bloody and barbaric as is the present one-----
wealth is keeping the big time filth out of saudi arabia------but there is no way of
predicting just how the sickness will affect that country in the near future. For
many centuries TUNISIA was an island of sanity in the islamic world ----it is
falling into the CESSPIT OF SHARIAH If Iran has its way-----there will by AYATOILETS
in Saudi arabia in the near future. Try not to use the "tribal tradition" excuse---
it is silly. especially since those "tribal traditions" seem to get carried WITH
islam wherever islam goes. WE got "TRIBAL TRADTION" right now in
the USA amongst people who never lived in middle eastern or subsaharan "tribes"

I don't believe anything she says. If the Saudis wanted to, they could very easily get rid of these Morality Police by starting to arrest some of them.

Many of them have been canned and there weren't any around until the late 1970s... After the Iranian Revolution. .. everyone was trying to outdo each other as to who could be a stricter Muslim.

New converts often to that as well.

The GCC is nothing like Iran...

Why not get back to us when you can show us some articles about these Morality Police being punished by the Saudi Authorities. Meanwhile, it looks like they are free to carry on.

 

[Sally]

I totally support the Matawa (religious police) and wish we had them here in the U.S. ...

Oh, I am sure as a good Muslim convert you would love to have them here. This way if a businesswoman is meeting with a businessman in a restaurant to discuss something,
you will be right there point at them, yelling for the Morality Police to do their business. Anyhow, next time you go to the beach, blindfold yourself so you don't see any women in bikinis. We don't want you to have a heart attack from the excitement of seeing them.

 

[Shaarona]

I don't believe anything she says. If the Saudis wanted to, they could very easily get rid of these Morality Police by starting to arrest some of them.

Many of them have been canned and there weren't any around until the late 1970s... After the Iranian Revolution. .. everyone was trying to outdo each other as to who could be a stricter Muslim.

New converts often to that as well.

The GCC is nothing like Iran...

Why not get back to us when you can show us some articles about these Morality Police being punished by the Saudi Authorities. Meanwhile, it looks like they are free to carry on.

Read the Arab news.. or VOA

Saudi Religious Police Work to Improve Image

by Cecily Hilleary



In January 2012, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia dismissed the head of the powerful religious police and replaced him with a reported moderate — a move designed to appease growing complaints about abuses of power by a much-feared group known as the mutaween.

Since then, the new leader, Sheikh Abdul Latif Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, has restricted the mutaween’s powers. Even so, many Saudis, especially women, say the changes are not enough.

Hardly a week seems to go by that Saudi Arabia’s religious police don’t make the headlines — breaking up drug rings, arresting bootleggers, admonishing women for what they consider immodest dress. Sometimes the mutaween themselves become objects of ridicule — such as when they shut down a dinosaur exhibit in a shopping mall or banned cats and dogs as pets.

And sometimes, mutaween actions have tragic consequences, such as the Mecca school fire of March 2002, when the religious police obstructed efforts to rescue female students because they might not be properly dressed. At least 14 girls burned to death, generating outrage across the globe.

Historic roots
​​The religious police force is a relatively recent phenomenon in Saudi Arabia. The Islamic fundamentalist Wahhabis of the early 19th century were the first to use a religious police force to enforce religious laws they believed had been compromised under the Ottoman Empire. Scolding and coercing, the early mutaween ensured the public went to the mosques at prayer time, abstained from smoking, drinking, playing music or, in the case of women, dressing immodestly.

Saudi Princess Basmah bint Saud Al-Saud, who now lives in London, goes back much further in the region’s history of religious enforcement. She says that Islamic religious enforcer was actually a woman and tells the story of Shifa bint Abdullah bin Abd Shams.

During the Prophet Mohamed’s lifetime, Shifa worked as a nurse, a healer and a teacher. Later, according to Basmah and other historical sources, the second caliph, Omar bin al-Khattab, appointed Shifa as the market controller in Medina, responsible for supervising all trade to guard against cheating, fraud and other violations.

“She actually used to go to the market every morning with a big stick,” Basmah laughs, “telling men off when they were annoying the ladies or even annoying other customers.”

It was Basmah’s grandfather, the modern Kingdom’s founder Abdulaziz Al Saud, who created the Committee for the Protection of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice — which locals call the Hai’a. She says the Committee was intended to curb illegal trade activity, just as Shifa had done — not enforce morality. She blames the influx of the Muslim Brotherhood from Egypt in the mid-1950s for bringing religious intolerance to Saudi Arabia. Under their influence, Basmah suggests, the mutaween, eventually began to write their own rules.

But aren’t they supervised by the monarchy? Basmah answers, “As time goes on, sometimes you lose a grip on things, like a father and a mother with their children. Every time a child goes to the father, he will tell them, ‘Go to your mother!’ And at the end of that day, that child would never even go to the father anymore, because he would know where the decision-making really is.”

Token reforms?

Ali AlYami, Executive Director of the Washington D.C.-based Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia, questions Basmah’s assertion that the Hai’a was intended only to enforce fair trade practices.

“Had her grandfather been solely interested in curbing cheating in markets, why not form non-religious institutions with legislative powers and pass laws to make it a crime to cheat and exploit people?” AlYami asks.

He says Wahhabis and the House of Saud formalized their alliance in 1744 with the goal of spreading their strict interpretation of Islam across Arabia. They have been allies ever since.

“The Hai’a is the most powerful means of sustaining the power of the Saudi ruling family. They need each other to survive,” AlYami said. “The ruling family says, ‘You guys, you be the bad guys in the name of God, and when people are in bad shape, they will come to us and we’ll make some adjustment and save them. So they will fear you and respect us.'”

AlYami is skeptical that the new leader of the Hai’a intends any but the most cosmetic reforms.

“Mr. Al-Sheikh, you have to understand, was chosen not because he is a reformer of any meaningful way. He’s close to the ruling family, because he is descended from the Wahhabi movement people. So he is there because he’s more trusted than the former guy to ensure the continuity of the Saudi ruling family, and that’s the bottom line here,” he said. “The Hai’a will be in power as long as the House of Saud rules.”

Ironically, Al-Sheikh believes that the very power the religious police seek to control is the power that could end up battering the Wahhabi-Ibn Saud alliance: Women.

“It is happening already,” AlYami said, citing the so-called “lingerie movement.”

“Women forced the system to hire only women to sell lingerie in stores. And that is creating thousands and thousands of jobs for women,” he said.

As for Princess Basmah, she also believes the solution to dealing with the religious police lies in women. Every woman in Saudi Arabia, she says, should simply take off her black abaya and put on something nice and sunny and comfortable “that allows her to walk down the street and be as free as she can.”

Saudi Religious Police Work to Improve Image

 

[Sally]

Silly-Sally is always soo concerned about what happens in the muslim world on the other side of the globe.

Yet here in the USA a woman is raped every 2 minutes 24/7/365

And every 5 minutes a woman is beaten or killed by boyfriend/husband.

Maybe she should concern herself to her own backyard. ...

If you want to talk about rape in the USA then go to that board.
Sally talks about what is happening on the other side of the world because that is what this board is labeled for.

On a middle east boar we talk about the middle east. If you want to talk about what is happening in the US go the US discussion boards on this site.

When you become a Mod let me know.

Otherwise buzz off........

Until you are ready to show everyone that you are not some nutcase troll, why don't you buzz off? By the way, since this is the Middle East forum, can you tell us what is happening in Bahrain, Oman, Yemen, etc. these days?

 

[Gracie]

Reading stuff like this makes me ever so thankful I was born in the USA.
With that said...I don't understand how a woman stays with a man that eventually cut off her fingers for getting an education, or another man that slices off an ear and a nose. They are in the USA now...so why do they stay with husbands that they must surely know will snap at any given time?

 

[Shaarona]

Saudi Arabia’s Moral Police: We Need to Stop Arresting Women for Driving Because That’s Not Really a Crime

September 24, 2013 By Lauren Lane 62 Comments


Saudi Arabia’s Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice have been warned by the Saudi Police to not “interpret cases or commit offenses related to the prosecution of women on charges of driving cars” as it is a social, not legal.


Saudi Arabia?s Moral Police: We Need to Stop Arresting Women for Driving Because That?s Not Really a Crime