Satan in the animal kingdom.

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There is a theory, that plants already existed, but animals not yet, when Satan took control over Earth. Satan is a lot of suffering to humans, but might be an even bigger suffering to animals.

For example, let's consider caterpillars. They are susceptible to fly attacks, where the fly injects its eggs into the caterpillar, then the larvae of the fly eat the caterpillar from the inside whilst the caterpillar is alive and feels every bite of it.

Can humans invent anything more satanic than what the animal kingdom doesn't already produce?
 

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I think you're attributing mythological personality to simple evolution. People have difficulty understanding the extroardinary power of the evolutionary process, not least because our concept of time is severly compromised by the brevity of our existance. We can get our puny minds around generational time-spans, but, when evolution has been tweaking the biosphere for more than 4 billion years, we lose all sense of the scale of the process. And for about half that time, it was working, not on animals and plants, because there were none, but on lowly bacteria.
We invent these concepts of 'higher' beings, to explain in more familiar terms, the confusion of aeons .
 
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I think you're attributing mythological personality to simple evolution. People have difficulty understanding the extroardinary power of the evolutionary process, not least because our concept of time is severly compromised by the brevity of our existance. We can get our puny minds around generational time-spans, but, when evolution has been tweaking the biosphere for more than 4 billion years, we lose all sense of the scale of the process. And for about half that time, it was working, not on animals and plants, because there were none, but on lowly bacteria.
We invent these concepts of 'higher' beings, to explain in more familiar terms, the confusion of aeons .
So are you saying that time and pain are a subjective correlation, and these animals don't feel it?
 

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There is a theory, that plants already existed, but animals not yet, when Satan took control over Earth. Satan is a lot of suffering to humans, but might be an even bigger suffering to animals.

For example, let's consider caterpillars. They are susceptible to fly attacks, where the fly injects its eggs into the caterpillar, then the larvae of the fly eat the caterpillar from the inside whilst the caterpillar is alive and feels every bite of it.

Can humans invent anything more satanic than what the animal kingdom doesn't already produce?

Satan was still a beloved advisory to god in the time of Job
Obviously not yet fallen

2350 BC and before 1750 BC
 

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I think you're attributing mythological personality to simple evolution. People have difficulty understanding the extroardinary power of the evolutionary process, not least because our concept of time is severly compromised by the brevity of our existance. We can get our puny minds around generational time-spans, but, when evolution has been tweaking the biosphere for more than 4 billion years, we lose all sense of the scale of the process. And for about half that time, it was working, not on animals and plants, because there were none, but on lowly bacteria.
We invent these concepts of 'higher' beings, to explain in more familiar terms, the confusion of aeons .
So are you saying that time and pain are a subjective correlation, and these animals don't feel it?
Not at all. Of course animals feel pain, and probably plants, too. But Satan is a mythological construct, and is totally irrelevant to the question.
 

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And, before you poh-pooh the idea of plants having feelings, you should know that communities of plants are connected by an extensive network of symbiotic underground fungi, and communicate information, and resources via this system. Grazing animals typically work upwind, because the plants also communicate via air-born chemicals, and produce chemicals which deter the grazers in response to messages from others who are being cropped.
There's many aspects of the natural world yet to be uncovered, and plants' feelings are very likely to be documented in the near future.
Vegetarians are fast running out of options!
 
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And, before you poh-pooh the idea of plants having feelings, you should know that communities of plants are connected by an extensive network of symbiotic underground fungi, and communicate information, and resources via this system. Grazing animals typically work upwind, because the plants also communicate via air-born chemicals, and produce chemicals which deter the grazers in response to messages from others who are being cropped.
There's many aspects of the natural world yet to be uncovered, and plants' feelings are very likely to be documented in the near future.
Vegetarians are fast running out of options!
Yes. Plant biology is one of the most interesting biologies.
 

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