I have a question for a person who is Pro-Life

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No. But that has nothing to do with my position which apparently threatens you.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

so abortion isn't murder?

 

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so abortion isn't murder?

Technically it is. But my position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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Technically it is. But my position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

so a complex issue should become a misdemeanor. Murder is rarely simple. And child abuse is always complicated. Misdemeanors all around. I guess you don't want to punish all murderers. Just the simple cases.

 

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so a complex issue should become a misdemeanor.

Not always, no, but in this case, yes.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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Murder is rarely simple. And child abuse is always complicated. Misdemeanors all around. I guess you don't want to punish all murderers. Just the simple cases.

Good thing we have existing laws for these that no one is questioning, right?

But with regard to abortion... My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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The implication you made is that it's an either or proposition. Either allow abortions or don't allow abortions and every other thing that could harm the baby. That's quite a disingenuous argument. Each issue is it's own separate issue. It's not one thing.

If the whole point of being against abortion, is to protect the fetus, then why not protect the fetus?
What sense it is to insure the child will be born, but not insure they will be born undamaged by alcohol, drugs, smoking, malnutrition or lack of pre-natal care.

 

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Not always, no, but in this case, yes.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

who gets to decide that any law is so complex that it becomes a misdemeanor?

 

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If the whole point of being against abortion, is to protect the fetus, then why not protect the fetus?
What sense it is to insure the child will be born, but not insure they will be born undamaged by alcohol, drugs, smoking, malnutrition or lack of pre-natal care.

Sure. How do you propose regulating that beyond what existing laws do?

 

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who gets to decide that any law is so complex that it becomes a misdemeanor?

Right now that duty lies with states absent a federal law or amendment to the constitution.

I'm just providing my opinion. My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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so a complex issue should become a misdemeanor. Murder is rarely simple. And child abuse is always complicated. Misdemeanors all around. I guess you don't want to punish all murderers. Just the simple cases.

The problem is they want to take abortion seriously. But don't want to take abortion seriously.
Either protect the fetus will the full weight of the law, or don't ban abortion.

Consistency in protecting a fetus as human being from conception.

I'd imagine a law where you can't serve alcohol to a pregnant woman. Even those who don't know they're pregnant at the time.

 

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Right now that duty lies with states absent a federal law or amendment to the constitution.

I'm just providing my opinion. My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

and so you want the states to criminalize abortion but make it a misdemeanor?

 

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and so you want the states to criminalize abortion but make it a misdemeanor?

Can't really say it better than this...

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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Can't really say it better than this...

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

you keep posting that like it means something in terms of other questions. It doesn't. If you want murder to be a misdemeanor, then murder should be a misdemeanor.

 

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you keep posting that like it means something in terms of other questions. It doesn't. If you want murder to be a misdemeanor, then murder should be a misdemeanor.

It does mean something. That position bothers you more than making abortion procedures illegal to perform because it means you have to acknowledge abortion is wrong and a crime to get one. You don't believe abortion is a crime and you don't believe there is anything wrong with abortion. My position frightens you because reasonable people will see this as a reasonable compromise and ultimately reduce the number of abortions being performed which should be the goal.

So let me say this reasonable position one more time.... My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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It does mean something. That position bothers you more than making abortion procedures illegal to perform because it means you have to acknowledge abortion is wrong and a crime to get one. You don't believe abortion is a crime and you don't believe there is anything wrong with abortion. My position frightens you because reasonable people will see this as a reasonable compromise and ultimately reduce the number of abortions being performed.

telling me what I believe (and being wrong about it...again) does nothing to clarify your position. Your position is that abortion is murder, and murder is punished by a fine.

 

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Sure. How do you propose regulating that beyond what existing laws do?

That's the point. Banning abortion bring about a lot of hard choices. Such as not letting pregnant women undergo chemotherapy for cancer. And drug testing women, to insure they are properly nourished, and not ingesting substances harmful to the fetus.

Carrying that out, puts the devil in the details.

 

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telling me what I believe (and being wrong about it...again) does nothing to clarify your position. Your position is that abortion is murder, and murder is punished by a fine.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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That's the point. Banning abortion bring about a lot of hard choices. Such as not letting pregnant women undergo chemotherapy for cancer. And drug testing women, to insure they are properly nourished, and not ingesting substances harmful to the fetus.

Carrying that out, puts the devil in the details.

Sure, which is why I think my position is a reasonable compromise that will result in fewer abortions.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

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Sure, which is why I think my position is a reasonable compromise that will result in fewer abortions.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

One thing you left out. If everybody involved gets no jail time, how much of a deterrent is that?

 

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One thing you left out. If everybody involved gets no jail time, how much of a deterrent is that?

I think quite a lot. I think you would be surprised. Look at the end of the day it's her kid. If she doesn't want to raise the kid for any reason, that really is her call. At the same time we shouldn't have to say that's good or right or just. We should be saying that's wrong but if you need to do it, ok. That's on you. And anyone who questions why it's wrong only needs to look at one thing. It is a human being that exists and has never existed before and will never exist again. It's wrong to take that away.