Rx for the Democrats

[candycorn]

The President can't do anything about it.

Thank you. I don’t know if you ever watched “The West Wing” but there was an episode where the campagin manager for a candidate said the following:

JOSH
People think the campaign's about two competing answers to the same
question. They're not. They're a fight over the question itself.

So I guess you’re right about the concept. The Democrats should’t go anywhere near the topic that isn’t going to play well in Peoria.

But getting back to the quote...let me ask you a follow up.

And who is responsible for he question? The press. When the question was the age of the candidates, that didn’t go well for the Democrats. Suddenly, after Biden dropped out, age was no longer a factor.

I’m not sure what you want the Democrats to do with a topic that has nothing to do with the Presidency (the roster of a girl’s basketball team), and a Press that was more than willing to--except for David Muir on the debate stage--to completely ignore Trump’s unfitness for the job.

Politicians can't do anything about it.

Sure they can. Just not Presidents--concerning the school policies. District commissioners, school boards, etc... can form policies.

This is cultural. It's street level. It permeates our society from end to end. The only way it changes is if it's cultural. And I have no idea how that starts. But it has to start.

I’m Not sure what “it” is.

From a political standpoint the Democrats--as you said earlier--need to realize that the nation has changed. We used to take on big challenges and strive for exceptionalism. Today? America is now a big Wal-Mart, not a Dillards or Hugo Boss. Price is the only thing that matters. Economically the metaphor is easy.

Culturally, as you say, the metaphor is strained and the price being “paid” is in the currency of acceptance of people who have different ideas. Democrats were asking the voters (implicitly) to pay the price. Republicans were not.

 

[Lesh]

And once again, you just make stuff up. You create your reality and apply it to me.

Ok. Here’s a question.

I have many friends who are LGBTQ and some trans

Do we just abandon them?

 

[dblack]

Ok. Here’s a question.

I have many friends who are LGBTQ and some trans

Do we just abandon them?

Why would you do that?

 

[Lesh]

Why would you do that?

That seems to be what the OP is pushing

 

[P@triot]

When the question was the age of the candidates, that didn’t go well for the Democrats. Suddenly, after Biden dropped out, age was no longer a factor.

That’s because Biden’s age caused his mental faculties to be severely impaired and you know it. Damn shame you can’t just be honest about it.

Instead you have to pretend “the press” was against you, even though it is nothing more than the propaganda arm for the Democrat Party.

 

[dblack]

That seems to be what the OP is pushing

I don't know how you get "abandon my friends" from the OP. He was just saying - enough with the identity politics.

 

[Lesh]

I don't know how you get "abandon my friends" from the OP. He was just saying - enough with the identity politics.

Which would abandon those people when they are attacked and vilified

 

[Delldude]

Ok. Here’s a question.

I have many friends who are LGBTQ and some trans

Do we just abandon them?

Describe abandon......they can still do their thing......just won't happen on the taxpayer's dime anymore.

 

[Lesh]

Describe abandon......they can still do their thing......just won't happen on the taxpayer's dime anymore.

It has little to do with the taxpayer dime.

It has to do with respecting individuals and individual rights

 

[P@triot]

Politicians can't do anything about it.

You couldn’t be more wrong. The Democrat Party doesn’t have to embrace, support, and advance it. In fact, they should adamantly denounce it.

The Democrat Party’s problem is they think “yes” to every bat-shit crazy position means more supporters and more power. They refuse to learn from their mistakes. And your proof of that by claiming “politicians can’t do anything about it”, when they actually have a platform to tell people they completely reject it.

This is cultural. It's street level.

So is football. Have the Democrats ever implemented laws to advance football? Because Democrats have created a slew of laws mandating transgender bullshit, and other “political correctness” nonsense.

It permeates our society from end to end. The only way it changes is if it's cultural. And I have no idea how that starts. But it has to start.

It “starts” by Democrat leaders saying “fuck off with your class warfare and cultural warfare bullshit - we’re done with any of you who promote that”. It’s that simple.

 

[Delldude]

It has little to do with the taxpayer dime.

It has to do with respecting individuals and individual rights

Are their rights anymore important than the people murdered by illegals or the rights of someone wearing a MAGA hat and getting attacked???

 

[P@triot]

Ok. Here’s a question.

I have many friends who are LGBTQ and some trans

Do we just abandon them?

Yep. It’s a damn shame you didn’t do that to begin with. The first friend of mine who puts on “womanface” and attempts to dominate & humiliate the women in my life by invading their spaces, gets punched in the face.

You should be asking yourself why you are attracting people like that to begin with?

 

[P@triot]

It has little to do with the taxpayer dime.

It has to do with respecting individuals and individual rights

What you’re doing is exploiting their mental illness instead of getting them the help they desperately need.

 

[P@triot]

Which would abandon those people when they are attacked and vilified

Nobody “attacks” LGBT idiots

Nobody would even know they are LGBT if they would just keep their sexual deviance in the bedroom where it belongs. It’s their exhibitionism that causes all of the problem. They get off on bringing it to the public space, they get off on the shock and disgust, etc.

 

[dblack]

Which would abandon those people when they are attacked and vilified

Why? You can speak up for them. So would I. But I think people are entitled to their biases, their prejudices, their preferences.

I think liberals have jumped the shark on civil rights. What started as an utterly righteous demand for equal rights, has morphed into an effort to stamp out unpopular biases in society. Democrats are, essentially, trying to outlaw bigots. Which is approximately as ridiculous as trying to outlaw assholes.

 

[PredFan]

Come on. You won. Get serious.

I am serious. See my thread "I am of Two minds in this election." I'm totally serious and I believe the evidence suggests I'm right.

 

[P@triot]

Politicians can't do anything about it.

Sure they can. Just not Presidents--concerning the school policies. District commissioners, school boards, etc... can form policies.

Candycorn actually gets it. Damn shame Mac doesn’t. It doesn’t even have to be policies either. It should just simply be a clear message that the party will not embrace, promote, or even tolerate the political correctness bullshit.

 

[P@triot]

Why? You can speak up for them. So would I. But I think people are entitled to their biases, their prejudices, their preferences.

I think liberals have jumped the shark on civil rights. What started as an utterly righteous demand for equal rights, has morphed into an effort to stamp out unpopular biases in society. Democrats are, essentially, trying to outlaw bigots. Which is approximately as ridiculous as trying to outlaw assholes.

Well said…

 

[jotathought]

This is getting a little fucking silly. Now, everywhere I look, I see article titles like "Dems Searching for Answers After Electoral Catastrophe"

Really?

This should be very easy. Now that the party is lying in a steaming puddle of goo, it has nowhere to go but up. And all it will take is two (2) steps:

Step One
Drop the whole destructive Political Correctness/Identity Politics fiasco NOW. Stop dividing Americans into little pieces and pitting them against each other. Stop screaming and intimidating and punishing people for saying what they think. Stop ruining family businesses for refusing to bake a fucking CAKE. Stop deplatforming conservative voices on college campuses. Stop pretending there are 58 (or whatever the number is now) genders. Stop having flamboyant transsexuals read books to parents' young children in class. Apologize for terms like "Toxic Masculinity" and "Cultural Appropriation". You blew it. This was stupid from the start. Fucking DROP IT.

Step Two
Focus like a fucking laser beam on the Middle Class (assuming it isn't too late, and it may be). No, not the Black Middle Class or the Brown Middle Class or the Purple Middle Class or the Gay Middle Class. The AMERICAN MIddle Class. Drop the fucking hyphenations. Come up with some NEW IDEAS that fit a rapidly changing and more competitive global economy. Modify and streamline existing ideas like Unions, Vocational Schools and Retirement Plans. I swear it wouldn't be that difficult.

Anyone who was here before 2016 knows that I was considered evil by the LEFTIES here because I was screaming this every fucking day. I had "Political Correctness Derangement Syndrome". I was called every name in the book and squabbled with every lefty on the board over it. Turns out I was right.

Shell-Shocked Democrats Stumbling For Answers After Loss To Donald Trump

The finger-pointing among Democrats intensified Thursday, with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) accusing the party of abandoning the working class.

www.huffpost.com

Good observations and recommendations. The Democrats are the party of identity politics, and they've based many policy positions on a substantially small portion of the electorate -- the LGBT alphabet group. In response, they've pussified men, created a large group of easily offended young adults and the safe spaces for them to retreat to. It's created a culture of overly-sensitive adults who can't handle conflict, resist facts and reality, probably are taking some type of anti-depressant, and demonstrating their mental stability with the millions of meltdowns we continue to see on social media platforms.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Ok. Here’s a question.

I have many friends who are LGBTQ and some trans

Do we just abandon them?

/—-/ No one asks you to abandon your friends. We’re asking them to stop demanding that we accept them as normal. Stop demanding we use their stupid pronouns.