RWs, how do we fix our shitty healthcare system?

[thereisnospoon]

then respond to one point at a time..
I'm not doing the work for you.
My posts are entitlement free.

Good ideas, some of them. Add them to ACA.

These ideas are counter intuitive to ACA...
ACA is a abject failure. In fact the plan was set up for failure.
The Obama admin knew they could not enact a single payer system. The most supportive of democrats saw any attempt at this saw it as political suicide and they made that abundantly clear to Obama.
And that will always be the means by which a single payer system will never become law here. Too many of us don't want it and we can vote out of office anyone that tries to ram this down our throats.

YEAH! We want to pay 3x as much as the UK with worse outcomes! ACA will work but it will take the end of GOP/insurer sabotage and some time.

The UK? HUH? I thought socialized medicine was free?.....
Worse outcomes? For whom?

You pay taxes. THE PEOPLE.

We are over taxed now...After all the taxes we pay now, income, payroll SS, sales, property, excise, fees, etc the average American is relived of an average of 60% of their earnings...
And yet you lefties want more.
Who is greedy?

 

[francoHFW]

either you really are not smart enough to see that the ACA is causing rates to go up for some, but not others, or you are one of those with the subsidy that are sucking of the labors of others to be provided with your care.
Im not totally sure which one it is, might be that your not being bright enough is forcing you into a low paying job.

How do you not see the point of the article? Costs have gone up because demand has gone up. More people are insured. That is the problem with a for profit system.

Either way you still haven't explained on any level why our healthcare system was acceptable before ObamaCare. Christ how hard is it for you to answer that?

If more people have coverage, how the hell would demand for services make a difference. With more insureds, there should in theory be more dollars in the overall pool from which the insurer can draw to pay claims.
The problem lies with the basic concept of ACA. In it the White House and democrats LIED when they claimed it control the "cost" of healthcare. No. No it does NOT.. ACA is designed to control "price" There is a huge difference between the two.
The fact is that despite the increased number of those covered, far too many are paying just a fraction of the actual cost of their insurance, or they are paying nothing.
And THAT is the reason the costs to those insured under legitimate paying plans have seen their premiums and deductibles increase.....dramatically.....

I'm sick of debating ObamaCare. Why do you think our healthcare system before it was viable despite all the evidence of the contrary?

Viable for some, not for all. That was part of the problem.

The other part of the problem is that corruption means 30% or more of the money goes on corruption.

Drugs cost more in the US than anywhere else, why? Because they know they can charge Americans loads because of the system, but know they can't do the same in other countries.

And people defend this nonsense.

Drug prices in the US are 3 times what they are in Britain, 6 times what they are in most other European countries and 16 times the price in India. The why is easy to understand. Other countries allow generics to be sold in place of brand name drugs. In the US, brand names are protected by patents for 10 years and if the manufacturer makes improvements which can be just packaging, the patent protection can be extended another 5 years. We are depend on completion in the US to keep down the price of drugs and the FDA eliminates any completion. In effect we are subsidizing the world's cost of developing new drugs and providing drug companies most of their profits.

To add insult to injury, the drug company that is selling you their brand name drug at $300 a month is manufacturing the drug in India, Pakistan or various European countries for pennies. If the drug is to be sold in the US, it is packaged with the US brand name. If it's to be sold in other counters, it's packaged with a different name and sold at a 1/3 to 1/10 the US cost and considered a generic.

To put it very simply, the US consumer is getting screwed and we are paying the cost in higher premiums and co-pays.

ACA gives us tons of new info on hospital, doctor, and drug costs. Next we can start doing something about them.

 

[francoHFW]

Good ideas, some of them. Add them to ACA.

These ideas are counter intuitive to ACA...
ACA is a abject failure. In fact the plan was set up for failure.
The Obama admin knew they could not enact a single payer system. The most supportive of democrats saw any attempt at this saw it as political suicide and they made that abundantly clear to Obama.
And that will always be the means by which a single payer system will never become law here. Too many of us don't want it and we can vote out of office anyone that tries to ram this down our throats.

YEAH! We want to pay 3x as much as the UK with worse outcomes! ACA will work but it will take the end of GOP/insurer sabotage and some time.

The UK? HUH? I thought socialized medicine was free?.....
Worse outcomes? For whom?

You pay taxes. THE PEOPLE.

We are over taxed now...After all the taxes we pay now, income, payroll SS, sales, property, excise, fees, etc the average American is relived of an average of 60% of their earnings...
And yet you lefties want more.
Who is greedy?

BS. Dems only want the richest and giant corps to pay more, dupe. BTW, if you count ALL taxes and fees, everyone pays between 20 and 30%. iT'S ALMOST A FLAT TAX SYSTEM, WITH ALL TTHE NEW (oops) wealth going to the richest. 60% my ass.

The GOP blocked extension of the payroll tax cut, dupe.

 

[TeaBagger]

Good ideas, some of them. Add them to ACA.

These ideas are counter intuitive to ACA...
ACA is a abject failure. In fact the plan was set up for failure.
The Obama admin knew they could not enact a single payer system. The most supportive of democrats saw any attempt at this saw it as political suicide and they made that abundantly clear to Obama.
And that will always be the means by which a single payer system will never become law here. Too many of us don't want it and we can vote out of office anyone that tries to ram this down our throats.

YEAH! We want to pay 3x as much as the UK with worse outcomes! ACA will work but it will take the end of GOP/insurer sabotage and some time.

The UK? HUH? I thought socialized medicine was free?.....
Worse outcomes? For whom?

You pay taxes. THE PEOPLE.

We are over taxed now...After all the taxes we pay now, income, payroll SS, sales, property, excise, fees, etc the average American is relived of an average of 60% of their earnings...
And yet you lefties want more.
Who is greedy?

If we had single payer like in the civilized world American would pay far less for health care. The cost per capita for an American is now over $9000 per year.

Healthcare fraud in the US exceeds all other countries. When a doctor or hospital gets caught all the have to do is may the money back. If we had single payer it would be a federal crime.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Good ideas, some of them. Add them to ACA.

These ideas are counter intuitive to ACA...
ACA is a abject failure. In fact the plan was set up for failure.
The Obama admin knew they could not enact a single payer system. The most supportive of democrats saw any attempt at this saw it as political suicide and they made that abundantly clear to Obama.
And that will always be the means by which a single payer system will never become law here. Too many of us don't want it and we can vote out of office anyone that tries to ram this down our throats.

YEAH! We want to pay 3x as much as the UK with worse outcomes! ACA will work but it will take the end of GOP/insurer sabotage and some time.

The UK? HUH? I thought socialized medicine was free?.....
Worse outcomes? For whom?

You pay taxes. THE PEOPLE.

We are over taxed now...After all the taxes we pay now, income, payroll SS, sales, property, excise, fees, etc the average American is relived of an average of 60% of their earnings...
And yet you lefties want more.
Who is greedy?

Imagine (hypothetically with just random figures to prove a point), you're in one country and 20% of your wages go in taxes, and 10% goes towards your healthcare.

Then you're in another country and 25% of your wages go to taxes and the healthcare is included with in this.

In one country you pay higher taxes, the govt is "stealing your hard earned money", but everyone gets healthcare.
In the other country you pay lower taxes, but a chance you'll get fucked over if you have a problem.

Which country are you better of in?

 

[TeaBagger]

These ideas are counter intuitive to ACA...
ACA is a abject failure. In fact the plan was set up for failure.
The Obama admin knew they could not enact a single payer system. The most supportive of democrats saw any attempt at this saw it as political suicide and they made that abundantly clear to Obama.
And that will always be the means by which a single payer system will never become law here. Too many of us don't want it and we can vote out of office anyone that tries to ram this down our throats.

YEAH! We want to pay 3x as much as the UK with worse outcomes! ACA will work but it will take the end of GOP/insurer sabotage and some time.

The UK? HUH? I thought socialized medicine was free?.....
Worse outcomes? For whom?

You pay taxes. THE PEOPLE.

We are over taxed now...After all the taxes we pay now, income, payroll SS, sales, property, excise, fees, etc the average American is relived of an average of 60% of their earnings...
And yet you lefties want more.
Who is greedy?

Imagine (hypothetically with just random figures to prove a point), you're in one country and 20% of your wages go in taxes, and 10% goes towards your healthcare.

Then you're in another country and 25% of your wages go to taxes and the healthcare is included with in this.

In one country you pay higher taxes, the govt is "stealing your hard earned money", but everyone gets healthcare.
In the other country you pay lower taxes, but a chance you'll get fucked over if you have a problem.

Which country are you better of in?

In the US the government is owned by the corporations and as a result America is a kleptocracy. Before any system will work we need to rid America of the plutocrats like the French did in 1798.

Stopping fraud is simple. Prison, but because the plutocrats own the government criminal prosecutions never happen, It's up to the people to rid America of the criminal elite.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Cut and paste rant...you derailed your own stupid thread.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

These are people who are not smart enough to come out of the cold.

So...what they say matters....why ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Pre-Obamacare, there already were health care services for poor people through state assistance programs. The most efficient way to extend coverage to the 40 million or so of Americans without health care was to augment those State healthcare systems with more Federal money. Instead we got Obamacare shoved down our throat, we've spent over a billion f*kn taxpayer dollars on a website, We still have 30 million or so uncovered, And we have health care costs rising every month due to the inefficiencies caused by having to comply with Obamacare. As my kids used to say EPIC FAIL. Here is my 4 point plan to fix it. 1. Scrap Obamacare. 2. Pump up the State Health Care assistance programs. 3. Crack down on malpractice suits and penalize lawyers with BIG $$ penalties for frivolous suits. 4. Penalize drug companies who overcharge for drugs.

Where is the evidence that healthcare costs have increased because of ObamaCare? It doesn't exist. They have been increasing since before ObamaCare.

So....they are still increasing under Obamacare ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

you are correct, the time is coming that I wont be able to afford it. And that is because I am being forced to pay for someone elses insurance along with my own. Without the ACA f-ing up our premiums, we all could have kept affording it just as we have been since forever.
But the left wont be happy until those that have it now, buy it for those that dont have it.

There is nothing ACA has done to increase premiums. Nothing. That's just the nature of capitalism.

GARBAGE.....

Obamacare forced requirements on health care offerings and now Bronze plans are little more than VERY EXPENSIVE catastrophic plans.

You can't find a catastrophic plan for what you could before.

As CATO so apply put it....Obamacare made inexpensive insurance illegal.

Dick.

 

[frigidweirdo]

YEAH! We want to pay 3x as much as the UK with worse outcomes! ACA will work but it will take the end of GOP/insurer sabotage and some time.

The UK? HUH? I thought socialized medicine was free?.....
Worse outcomes? For whom?

You pay taxes. THE PEOPLE.

We are over taxed now...After all the taxes we pay now, income, payroll SS, sales, property, excise, fees, etc the average American is relived of an average of 60% of their earnings...
And yet you lefties want more.
Who is greedy?

Imagine (hypothetically with just random figures to prove a point), you're in one country and 20% of your wages go in taxes, and 10% goes towards your healthcare.

Then you're in another country and 25% of your wages go to taxes and the healthcare is included with in this.

In one country you pay higher taxes, the govt is "stealing your hard earned money", but everyone gets healthcare.
In the other country you pay lower taxes, but a chance you'll get fucked over if you have a problem.

Which country are you better of in?

In the US the government is owned by the corporations and as a result America is a kleptocracy. Before any system will work we need to rid America of the plutocrats like the French did in 1798.

Stopping fraud is simple. Prison, but because the plutocrats own the government criminal prosecutions never happen, It's up to the people to rid America of the criminal elite.

How?

There's only one way, vote third party.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I'm sick of debating ObamaCare. Why do you think our healthcare system before it was viable despite all the evidence of the contrary?

Our health care system is very good.

It's our insurance system that is a mess.

 

[Conservative65]

OBAMA said by the end of his first term. You kiss his ass no matter what. That's the sign of a functional moron. It's HIS words and you still cover for him. Pucker up.

Keep your fingers in your ears, dupe. He said that BEFORE the corrupt W WORLD DEPRESSION, dupe. Etc etc. Sorry about reality.

Really? So once again... Obama the Messiah who told us : "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
Obama's Nomination Victory Speech In St. Paul
was stymied by W's world depression? How can that be? He's the Messiah. You smell nothing wrong with him!
Here join these other Obama worshippers... Is Barack Obama the Messiah?
Just a note... where are your links????

Idiot. All proven many times. Change the channel.

Not by you or anyone else.

Keep your fingers in your ears then. It's the New BS GOP way...

Keep your head up your ass. It will continue the same old Democrat way. You should come out for oxygen more often. The lack of it has destroyed what little brain you had.

 

[Conservative65]

OBAMA said by the end of his first term. You kiss his ass no matter what. That's the sign of a functional moron. It's HIS words and you still cover for him. Pucker up.

Keep your fingers in your ears, dupe. He said that BEFORE the corrupt W WORLD DEPRESSION, dupe. Etc etc. Sorry about reality.

Just another example of an unqualified black man in a government job. If he's as smart as you claim, wouldn't he have seen it coming. If he didn't, tells me he isn't that smart.

He also said the $887 billion stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%. He did that after becoming President. We both know how that worked out. We both know you'll cover for him.

Unqualified black man. You're up to 90% chance racist lol. Yup, everyone saw that total meltdown coming lol...great job, corrupt Boooshies and ignoramus dupes...your brains seem to only be able to understand bumper sticker bs, and that's the way you like it.

Loss of GDP was estimated at 3-4% when Obama said 8%- turned out to be 9%. But don't worry about reality- go with the bs bumper sticker, fool. Keep voting against yourself, family and friends. At least you're in the White Party, right?

That's it? That's your explanation for the Messiah NOT keeping his pledge?
My goodness I don't understand how you can have any faith left in Obama after he has broken so many promises!
What happened to the simple pledge when he told us..."This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
and a little old thing like the GDP being less stops the Messiah???
Oh ye of little faith! Sounds like Bush had more power then the Messiah!

The middle of ANOTHER Pub Great Depression is not the time for immediate reform. The GW reform IS beginning, just like he said duh. Not stopped at all.

YOUR use of messiah shows only YOU to be a true believer, in your case of total RW BS...

How do you have so much time to post here when you need to be bowing down to your BOY'S ass and kissing it. It's the only thing you seem to be good at doing.

 

[Conservative65]

Fixing our "shitty" health care system entails undoing the damage done to health care by FDR. Wage controls and tax policy made health coverage a tax free compensation item. That started the ball rolling toward the utter government dominance and inefficiency we have today. Here is how to fix it:

- Get rid of Obamacare, STAT.
- Decouple catastrophic care insurance from prepaid services (i.e., the check up and routine test co-pays).
- Make health insurance a personal tax deduction instead of a corporate.
- Get rid of state barriers to competition.
- Unlimited health savings accounts for paying for routing services and medication - get rid of the insurance middle man.
- Tort reform to stop scum sucking lawyers from bleeding out doctors (John Edwards got rich by driving OB/GYNs out of business...).
- Reforms which enable routine care clinics in retail environment - such as a drugstore, Walmart etc.
- Get rid of Federal involvement in health care; return the money to states and taxpayer to take care of their own health care.
- Credits for veterans and retired people to purchase their own health care (graduallly unwwind the latter as younger people are able to save more in HSAs).

All of which can be added to ACA. Duh.

No, they can't. The ACA is a Centralized Planning Obamanation. One can't use Totalitarian Control to order people to be free.

ACA is only a framework, to be added to and tinkered with forever, dupe.

It's a waste of money.

 

[healthmyths]

I'm sick of debating ObamaCare. Why do you think our healthcare system before it was viable despite all the evidence of the contrary?

Our health care system is very good.

It's our insurance system that is a mess.

The insurance companies pay claims.
Do you guys understand that all they do is pay claims.
FROM the Government!!!
FACTS. 80% of Premiums MUST BE PAID for CLAIMS
The 80/20 rule requires insurance companies to reveal how much of premium dollars they actually spend on health care and how much on profits and administrative costs such as salaries and marketing. Now, with the implementation of the 80/20 rule, consumers can see how insurance companies spend their premium dollars and make more informed decisions when purchasing health insurance. The 80/20 rule will become even more important beginning in 2014, when consumers and small employers will have access to state-based competitive Health Insurance Marketplaces (also known as Exchanges) where individuals and small businesses can use the 80/20 information to compare the value of health insurance plans.
https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Files/Downloads/mlr-report-02-15-2013.pdf

Do you idiots understand then Insurance companies MUST PAY out of every dollar in premium 80% to a doctor, or hospital for any claims submitted.

THEY MUST!
Do you all understand that as a result .... LISTEN READ!!! Insurance companies don't care!
They simply show that the spend 80% and if that means RAISING premiums
they do!
So that being said why don't we all agree that as the doctors have told us READ again... Doctors tell us they send to insurance companies claims for services that
are WASTED! WHY??? Because these claims are for duplicate testings, for 2nd opinions, on everything... removing a splinter for example the family physician might
because of fear of lawsuit send the patient to a specialist! Again all because they FEAR LAWSUITS.
PLEASE read the study that proves that doctors think they send between $600 Billion to $850 Billion a year in wasted claims to insurance companies.

READ THIS STUDY!! http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the
1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "
-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were they? Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"??? 1946 Tort reform!

TAX lawyers 10% of their $270 Billion and use that and pay the annual premium for the 4 million that truly need health insurance.
As a result if the $850 Billion defensive medicine claims goes down, the tax goes down! Simple as that!

Then as the insurance companies have to show state regulators they are spending 80% of their premiums BUT because if even $200 Billion in wasted defensive
medicine claims go down THAT percentage goes down. As a result INSURANCE STATE REGULATORS WILL FORCE LOWER PREMIUMS!
THAT SIMPLE!

 

[healthmyths]

So what do you think is happening to insurance premiums with $850 Billion in wasted defensive medicine spending continues to climb??
That premium of this example of $2,700 will go up and it is perfectly legal as long as the company spends 80% or more on claims!

 

[easyt65]

It was shitty before.

What we had before need adjusting.
What Obama and Liberals did was:
- Completely destroying the previous system
- Forcing a Program so bad that the majority of Americans did not want it down their throats...
- They did so in the wee hours of the morning so Americans wouldn't know it was happening
- To sell it to begin with they had to lie their asses off...and it was still rejected by the majority
- It was so bad they had to impose a 'FINE' to force people to buy it / participate
- ...Then it was so bad those who passed it exempted themselves from it
- They basically caused everyone's policies to go away because they designed/imposed a new minimum coverage for everyone
- It caused people to lose coverage, lose jobs, have their hours cut
- They declared to Americans 'You have no right to know what's in it until the 'edict' is passed
- They spent billions on a WEB SITE, that still sucks and is a Identity Theft Nightmare

Know the fastest way to get it repealed / replaced? FORCE your Congressman to participate! (It is UN-Constitutional for them to exempt themselves any way!)

 

[CowboyTed]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

The GOP guys here know how to fix the health system.

Insult a Democrat...

 

[TooTall]

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I thought the health care system was fixed back in 2009 when the progressives signed the ACA without having to read it and now you're saying it isn't so and you want those of us who were told to sit in the back of the bus to offer some sort of advice?........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ A little late don't you think?......

*****CHUCKLE*****

These lefties never gave a single thought to the details of ACA. All they cared about was "the win".....Well now since the thing is an abject failure, they are

"Insurers say they want to hike rates because enrollees are going to the doctor, getting lab work and filling prescriptions more than they had originally anticipated.

"We've seen a great pent-up demand for services," said Aaron Billger, spokesman for Highmark, a Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee offering plans in Pennsylvania, Delaware and West Virginia. Enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans use more healthcare than those in job-based policies, he noted."
From the linked article. since I was kind enough to break this part out for you, can you understand it now or do you still require remedial reading classes.

Yeah from an increase in DEMAND from more people being insured. The hikes aren't because of things in the law, the hikes are because more people are seeking services. That, is the problem, with have a for profit healthcare system.

Now the rate hikes ARE a direct result of ACA.....Our plan changed before the law too effect.
Now, if insurance companies were not for profit, they would not be able to stay in business. Period.

Except in some European countries they have not for profit insurance companies and they are able to stay in business.

ok...I'm curious....Which ones?
BTW why are we mentioning insurance companies in countries where the government insures its citizen's health?.....

Switzerland, for example

Healthcare in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Swiss are required to purchase basic health insurance,"

"Insurers are required to offer this basic insurance to everyone, regardless of age or medical condition. They are not allowed to make a profit off this basic insurance, but can on supplemental plans."

I didn't read the link, but the requirement for everyone to buy basic health insurance was interesting. When thousands of people in Flint, Michigan won't even pay their water bill, what makes you think they would pay for anything? Of course the loss of FREE Medicaid would cause a few million heart attacks.