Russian/ Ukraine Conflict Didn't Have To Happen

[Vel]

Putin will respond if America gets in his way, and it’s likely he’ll retaliate using cyber-attacks on our financial systems, our communication systems, on our basic infrastructure

Which is why people need to make sure they have basic supplies at home, gas in their vehicles and enough cash to get them through for a few days if our banking and internet systems get hit.

 

[Vel]

Do you extend the same criticism to Trump, who was the president recieving far higher level briefings for 4 years and had no plan?

Also, did you forget that Biden was put in charge of the US Ukraine policy while he was VP?

 

[Rigby5]

Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline

The Trump administration fears the Nord Stream 2 project will increase Russia's influence in Europe.

www.bbc.com

Trump imposes major sanctions on Russian oligarchs, officials, companies

The move marks one of the administration's most aggressive actions against Russia, including sanctions against several oligarchs with ties to Vladimir Putin.

www.nbcnews.com

Still no proof that Russia paid Taliban bounties for dead Americans

The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops.

www.nbcnews.com

I do find it interesting that Trump and Biden both used the same excuse when they each abandoned the people that had fought by our side. Campaign promises to excuse leaving people to die. If campaign promises are that important then you'd think Biden would keep this promise.

Political commentators, journalists dig up Biden's old warnings Putin 'doesn't want' him to be president

A 2020 tweet from Joe Biden on Russian President Vladimir Putin draws mockery, scorn.

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The only people we abandoned who had fought on our side was the Taliban.

 

[Lesh]

The only people we abandoned who had fought on our side was the Taliban.

Oh I get it.

You're batshit crazy as well as being a kremlin stooge

 

[AntonToo]

Also, did you forget that Biden was put in charge of the US Ukraine policy while he was VP?

What do you mean "also"?

Do you, or do you not extend the same criticim to Trump who was the president for for years?

 

[AntonToo]

Putin didn't invade anyone during Trump's tenure so Trump must have been doing something right .

No it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that at all.

It could just mean that Trump lost the election and wasn't in office long enough to watch Putin invade Ukraine in 2022.

 

[Mac-7]

Joe Biden spent 8 years receiving the highest level intel briefings on Vladimir Putin prior to being installed in the Whitehouse and never bothered to develop a strategy to deal with him. Even now, with bombs raining down in Ukraine, he doesn't have the guts to stop filling Putin's war coffers by saying no to Russian oil. U.S money is financing the destruction of Ukraine. Biden's sanctions are a joke as were his assurances to Ukraine. This clusterf#%k should have been avoided.

The West Could Have Prevented The Russo-Ukrainian War, But Didn't

President Biden and our European allies closed every off-ramp for Russia while misleading Ukraine into thinking we would defend it.

thefederalist.com

I dont agree with ukraine having to make territorial concessions in a negotiated settlement

but the West should have worked out a deal where ukraine would be a buffer state not part of russia but not a member of nato either

 

[bendog]

Putin's actions are Biden's fault, of course.

"You made me do it" -- the excuse of terrorists and rapists.

Those westernized women and their wanton ways.

 

[AntonToo]

Oh I get it.

You're batshit crazy as well as being a kremlin stooge

We have a winner. The guy is completely cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

 

[Vel]

The only people we abandoned who had fought on our side was the Taliban.

Bless your delusional little heart. If your ability to recognize reality is this compromised, you should probably seek some help. We left many interpreters who helped our troops as well as U.S citizens. In addition, we left a generation of young people who had grown up under U.S. protection to the mercies of the Taliban.

 

[bendog]

I dont agree with ukraine having to make territorial concessions in a negotiated settlement

but the West should have worked out a deal where ukraine would be a buffer state not part of russia but not a member of nato either

You assume that was an endpoint Putin was going to accept. I don't, and I disagree.

The model for an neutral Ukraine would be Austria in the Cold War.

Austrian Neutrality: A Model for Ukraine

In 1955, another country torn between Russia and the West managed to achieve independence. Austria's example deserves closer examination.

nationalinterest.org

The author assumes Putin will view through realpolitic that Ukraine will never choose to remain financially and militarily tied to Russia and its "Eurasian union." Biden spent months trying to get Putin to the table, but nyet. And frankly if Ukranians had to give up selling rights to Shell and Chevron .... they wouldn't go for it either.

 

[bendog]

Bless your delusional little heart. If your ability to recognize reality is this compromised, you should probably seek some help. We left many interpreters who helped our troops as well as U.S citizens. In addition, we left a generation of young people who had grown up under U.S. protection to the mercies of the Taliban.

Anyone who was alive for the fall of Saigon should not have been surprised.

 

[j-mac]

Do you extend the same criticism to Trump, who was the president recieving far higher level briefings for 4 years and had no plan?

Biden is rolling out new sanctions daily and is working with our allies to isolate Russia.

Specifically cutting oil will instantly mean higher oil prices which actually BENEFITS Russians in short term, while raising our already high prices. Not that Biden will not get to this point, but this will not be a hard stop plan, but rather phased tapering off Russian energy exports over time.

Trump isn't President now.. Biden is, and looks, sounds, and acts weak.

But, yeah there us an answer, open up our own resources, restart Keystone, and sell to Europe to get Putins boot off their neck....

 

[bendog]

Trump isn't President now.. Biden is, and looks, sounds, and acts weak.

But, yeah there us an answer, open up our own resources, restart Keystone, and sell to Europe to get Putins boot off their neck....

I don't think Keystone is a significant source of natl gas. I'm leery of predictions that the pipeline could transport 800 MILLION barrels a day. If that was true, though, it might have an impact on the global price of oil. Regardless, it was a political issue between those on the left and gas guzzlers. ( or geezers)

17 Important Keystone Pipeline Pros and Cons

The Keystone XL pipeline is a delivery system that is designed to carry over 800,000

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The significant nalt gas reserves are in (mainly) N.Dakota and the Baken field. But even there the Dakota access line is potentially blocked by native americans in a tribal dispute over who gets the money. This week, the Sup Ct let stand a court decision finding the Corp of Engineers failed to vet the project. A bit late since the 1000 mile pipeline is pumping gas we use today, but who said law is logical.

 

[Mac-7]

You assume that was an endpoint Putin was going to accept. I don't, and I disagree.

The model for an neutral Ukraine would be Austria in the Cold War.

Austrian Neutrality: A Model for Ukraine

In 1955, another country torn between Russia and the West managed to achieve independence. Austria's example deserves closer examination.

nationalinterest.org

The author assumes Putin will view through realpolitic that Ukraine will never choose to remain financially and militarily tied to Russia and its "Eurasian union." Biden spent months trying to get Putin to the table, but nyet. And frankly if Ukranians had to give up selling rights to Shell and Chevron .... they wouldn't go for it either.

You cant say it wont work without even trying

 

[bendog]

You cant say it wont work without even trying

Biden's admin has been trying with Vlad for half a year.

Biden presented intelligence dating to October about Ukraine crisis

news.cgtn.com

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A delivery of military equipment including Javelin missiles from the United States arrives in Kyiv, Ukraine, Jan. 25, 2022. (Brendan Hoffman/The New York Times)
WASHINGTON — In a series of top-secret meetings in October, President Joe Biden’s national security team presented grim intelligence that would soon trigger a fierce effort to prevent what could become the largest armed conflict in Europe since World War II.
Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, was preparing to invade Ukraine, top intelligence and military officials told Biden. Gathering each morning in the Oval Office for the global threat assessment known as the President’s Daily Brief, they described satellite images of Russian forces methodically advancing toward Ukraine’s border.
Not only did the United States have images of troops moving into position, it also had the Russian military’s plans for a campaign against Ukraine — elements of which had already begun. At one of the morning meetings, Biden dispatched William J. Burns, the CIA director, to Moscow with a message for Putin:

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We know what you’re planning to do.
Stopping him would be a challenge. Many of America’s closest allies were skeptical that Putin — a master of disinformation — would actually invade. The use of U.S. military force against Russia was off the table, so the allies would have to threaten Putin with economic pain so severe it would also have consequences in Europe and the United States. And it was far from certain that Republicans in Congress would back whatever the administration did.
On Monday, after delivering a grievance-filled speech attacking Ukraine’s sovereignty, Putin ordered troops into two Russia-backed separatist regions in the country. But it remains unclear how far, or quickly, the Russian military will advance. And by day’s end, the United States and its allies imposed only limited sanctions, reserving the full might of their response for moves that Putin might yet make.
The White House acknowledged from the start that its campaign to stop Putin might not actually prevent Russia from invading Ukraine. But at the very least, White House officials say, Biden exposed Putin and his true intentions, which helped unite, at least for now, the at-times fractious NATO alliance.
Over the course of 3 1/2 months, Biden made three critical decisions about how to handle Russia’s provocations, according to interviews with more than a dozen senior administration officials and others who requested anonymity to discuss confidential meetings. Early on, the president approved a recommendation to share intelligence far more broadly with allies than was typical, officials said. The idea was to avoid disagreements about tough economic sanctions by ensuring that everyone knew what the United States knew about Putin’s actions.
Biden also gave the green light for an unprecedented public information campaign against Putin. With the support of his top intelligence officials — and with a promise to protect the intelligence agencies’ “sources and methods” — the president allowed a wave of public releases aimed at preventing Putin from employing his usual denials to divide his adversaries.
And when it became clear this year that Putin was continuing to build up forces at Ukraine’s border, the president approved sending Ukraine more weapons, including Javelin anti-tank missiles, and deploying more troops to other countries in Eastern Europe as a show of solidarity with Ukraine and to reassure nervous allies on NATO’s eastern flank.

Wooing Allies, Publicizing Putin's Plans: Inside Biden's Race to Prevent War

WASHINGTON — In a series of top-secret meetings in October, President Joe Biden’s national security team presented grim intelligence that would soon trigger a fierce effort to prevent what could become the largest armed conflict in Europe since World War II. Vladimir Putin, the Russian...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Mac-7]

Biden's admin has been trying with Vlad for half a year.

Biden presented intelligence dating to October about Ukraine crisis

news.cgtn.com

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A delivery of military equipment including Javelin missiles from the United States arrives in Kyiv, Ukraine, Jan. 25, 2022. (Brendan Hoffman/The New York Times)
WASHINGTON — In a series of top-secret meetings in October, President Joe Biden’s national security team presented grim intelligence that would soon trigger a fierce effort to prevent what could become the largest armed conflict in Europe since World War II.
Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, was preparing to invade Ukraine, top intelligence and military officials told Biden. Gathering each morning in the Oval Office for the global threat assessment known as the President’s Daily Brief, they described satellite images of Russian forces methodically advancing toward Ukraine’s border.
Not only did the United States have images of troops moving into position, it also had the Russian military’s plans for a campaign against Ukraine — elements of which had already begun. At one of the morning meetings, Biden dispatched William J. Burns, the CIA director, to Moscow with a message for Putin:

Sign up for The Morning newsletter from the New York Times
We know what you’re planning to do.
Stopping him would be a challenge. Many of America’s closest allies were skeptical that Putin — a master of disinformation — would actually invade. The use of U.S. military force against Russia was off the table, so the allies would have to threaten Putin with economic pain so severe it would also have consequences in Europe and the United States. And it was far from certain that Republicans in Congress would back whatever the administration did.
On Monday, after delivering a grievance-filled speech attacking Ukraine’s sovereignty, Putin ordered troops into two Russia-backed separatist regions in the country. But it remains unclear how far, or quickly, the Russian military will advance. And by day’s end, the United States and its allies imposed only limited sanctions, reserving the full might of their response for moves that Putin might yet make.
The White House acknowledged from the start that its campaign to stop Putin might not actually prevent Russia from invading Ukraine. But at the very least, White House officials say, Biden exposed Putin and his true intentions, which helped unite, at least for now, the at-times fractious NATO alliance.
Over the course of 3 1/2 months, Biden made three critical decisions about how to handle Russia’s provocations, according to interviews with more than a dozen senior administration officials and others who requested anonymity to discuss confidential meetings. Early on, the president approved a recommendation to share intelligence far more broadly with allies than was typical, officials said. The idea was to avoid disagreements about tough economic sanctions by ensuring that everyone knew what the United States knew about Putin’s actions.
Biden also gave the green light for an unprecedented public information campaign against Putin. With the support of his top intelligence officials — and with a promise to protect the intelligence agencies’ “sources and methods” — the president allowed a wave of public releases aimed at preventing Putin from employing his usual denials to divide his adversaries.
And when it became clear this year that Putin was continuing to build up forces at Ukraine’s border, the president approved sending Ukraine more weapons, including Javelin anti-tank missiles, and deploying more troops to other countries in Eastern Europe as a show of solidarity with Ukraine and to reassure nervous allies on NATO’s eastern flank.

Wooing Allies, Publicizing Putin's Plans: Inside Biden's Race to Prevent War

WASHINGTON — In a series of top-secret meetings in October, President Joe Biden’s national security team presented grim intelligence that would soon trigger a fierce effort to prevent what could become the largest armed conflict in Europe since World War II. Vladimir Putin, the Russian...

www.yahoo.com

Biden’s response has been weak

we are not cutting russia out of the world banking system, or boycotting russian oil

nor has biden restarted the canadian pipeline or ended the ban on oil production in ANWR

so biden is mostly just postering

 

[bendog]

Biden’s response has been weak

we are not cutting rissia our of the world banking system, or boycotting russian oil

nor has biden restarted the canadian pipeline or ended the ban on oil production in ANWR

so biden is mostly just postering

Biden is not going to get ahead of nato. That's why NS2 was only killed when the Germans agreed it was necessary.

 

[maybelooking]

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that guys been snorting too much meth off his boyfriends ass.

and no one has to "go on about how dear leader would keep Putin out of Ukraine"

we can go on about how HE DID KEEP PUTIN OUT OF UKRAINE. Unless this shit happened 6 years ago and we all missed it.

 

[Mac-7]

Biden is not going to get ahead of nato. That's why NS2 was only killed when the Germans agreed it was necessary.

I know the spineless and greedy euros can be difficult to move along

but sending troops to bordering NATO members is a useless gesture

putin has no intention of invading poland during this round of neo-soviet expansion