Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[beagle9]

No. Equivalency is false.

Ukraine came from the same corrupt Russian world RF has - USSR. It's true that to this day there is still plenty of corruption in Ukraine, but they have been a more open, more democratic country and their joining of EU is CONDITIONED on cleaning up their act.

Ukraine has been slowly improving and is now ranked around 100 out of 180 countries on corruption index compared to Russia's ranking around 150.

2023 Corruption Perceptions Index - Explore Ukraine’s results

How does Ukraine measure up in the 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index?

www.transparency.org

Was there not recently a huge scandal or corruption involving billions of dollar's in Ukraine ???

Something about a big official having to also resign over it ? Wonder how deep that corruption went ?

What about the place being compatible to having an American president's son sitting on the board of Burisma, and his father openly calling for the firing of a Ukranian prosecutor that was investigating the corruption within that company ??? Funny how the Democrats were kissing the boots of Zelensky so hard back here in the USA. I hate corruption, and I can smell it like a bloodhound.

 

[Litwin]

you are calling it an armed separatist movement uprising,

Again RT propaganda. The US and NATO, and Ukraine itself, call it Moscow’s hybrid war against Ukraine. Have you watched the video I posted, or do you only watch RT and Iranian channels?



The best analysis of hybrid war. Dr. Phillip Karber is a world leading expert in this subject

 

[beagle9]

Again RT propaganda. The US and NATO, and Ukraine itself, call it Moscow’s hybrid war against Ukraine. Have you watched the video I posted, or do you only watch RT and Iranian channels?



The best analysis of hybrid war. Dr. Phillip Karber is a world leading expert in this subject

Why did you ignore the entirety of my post ? Now take it up with Anton dummy.

 

[AntonToo]

Was there not recently a huge scandal or corruption involving billions of dollar's in Ukraine ???

Something about a big official having to also resign over it ? Wonder how deep that corruption went ?

What about the place being compatible to having an American president's son sitting on the board of Burisma, and his father openly calling for the firing of a Ukranian prosecutor that was investigating the corruption within that company ??? Funny how the Democrats were kissing the boots of Zelensky so hard back here in the USA. I hate corruption, and I can smell it like a bloodhound.

No. it was about 100 million.

And no that does nothing to refute or constructively compare anything on macro-economic level.

You bringing in Hunter's salary as a board member just underscores how little persepective you have.


Let me also just say this, you hate corruption of opposition, when it comes to Republican corruption you are happy to rationalize and look the other way.

 

[beagle9]

No. it was about 100 million.

And no that does nothing to refute or constructively compare anything on macro-economic level.

You bringing in Hunter's salary as a board member just underscores how little persepective you have.


Let me also just say this, you hate corruption of opposition, when it comes to Republican corruption you are happy to rationalize and look the other way.

Now you want to lie because you are caught defending or playing down the corruption that you suggest only exist conveniently in other places, but it's only when it fits your narrative, otherwise when you are talking about your targeted hate towards another for political and/or for other biased reasoning.

 

[JoeB131]

You are telling a Russian native about Russia. Think about that.

Videos you watch are of Moscow or maybe St.Peter. Any two bit autocrat sitting on shitload of oil, diamonds and etc. can put togather a nice looking city for himself to live in. Doesn't mean regime is not corrupt, doesn't mean its not opressive, doesn't mean country overal is well developed.

Why do I say Russia is a corrupt, repressive country:

1. Regime's total control of media. Protesting regime is de-facto illegal. Publicly contradicting Kremlin's war propaganda risks jail time.
2. Regime's total control of judiciary (goes hand in hand in their corrupt disreguard for law and personal rights)
3. Regime's total control of parlament.
4. No real political oposition - regime either ran them out of the country, jailed or killed them off.
5. Corruption is deeply ingrained in Russia - misuse of public funds, bribery, extortion is far more common than in western countries. Russia ranks ~150th out of 180 countries on corruption indexes.

Ukraine ranks 105 on that same survey, and there's probably some polishing going on there.

The argument here isn't which country is more corrupt or repressive. they are both corrupt, they are both repressive.

The question is, does it make sense to keep throwing good money after bad? Ukraine is not going to turn this thing around. They are literally conscripting 50-year-olds to fight the war.

The Ukraine war has become a personification of the Sunk-Cost Fallacy.

 

[AntonToo]

Now you want to lie because you are caught defending or playing down the corruption that you suggest only exist conveniently in other places, but it's only when it fits your narrative, otherwise when you are talking about your targeted hate towards another for political and/or for other biased reasoning.

Nope. If I belive claims to be bullshit I say so.

But enough about that, we are not going to be settling this here.

Bottom line is that nothing you say refutes that Russia is one of the most corrupt developed countries, only slightly behind India. Nothing you say refutes that it's also a repressive country with no real political political opposition or freedom of speech protections.

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine ranks 105 on that same survey, and there's probably some polishing going on there.

The argument here isn't which country is more corrupt or repressive. they are both corrupt, they are both repressive.

And thats a false equivalency.

Ukraine is both less repressive and less corrupt. Unlike in Russia there is a real internalization of democratic principles in the country, real improvement over the years, even if there is still ways to go. They are litterally spilling their blood for it.

You are far removed from it and you don't understand the fundamental difference in the way Ukranians think vs Putin Vision mind-fucked Russians.

The question is, does it make sense to keep throwing good money after bad? Ukraine is not going to turn this thing around. They are literally conscripting 50-year-olds to fight the war.

You mean ASIDE FROM KEEPING OUR DAMN WORD to back Ukraine if it got attacked after giving up it's nuclear weapons?

Aside from knowing right from wrong and backing the victim of a fascist invasion?

Aside from upholding international law and democratic priciples?

Why don't you leave conscription matters for Ukraine to manage, let Ukranians decide what they can or can't win. Nobody has better understanding of sacrifice and costs of war than they do.

Harris and Biden's position was simple - do the right thing, BACK UKRAINE, let Putin run up the costs on continuing the war, strenghen Ukranian leverage in eventual settlement. DO NOT give Putin hope that Ukraine will be abandoned and he can roll them over, because all that does is extend the war.

Meanwhile on your part you can stop spreading Kremlin bullshit and get on the right side of history.

 

[Deadstick]

Well, when you listen to crackpot idiots like that it's no wonder you post like one.

...but it's worse than that, even more incoherent, since you are posting about Odessa 2025 as a response to a post about events in 2014.

Just wow, what is going on in your head?

Reality is going on in my head unlike yours, events in 2014 like burning people alive in the trade Union building, when Odessa is liberated those Nazi pigs responsible had better start hiding because the Russians know who the leaders were.

 

[Deadstick]

Was there not recently a huge scandal or corruption involving billions of dollar's in Ukraine ???

Something about a big official having to also resign over it ? Wonder how deep that corruption went ?

What about the place being compatible to having an American president's son sitting on the board of Burisma, and his father openly calling for the firing of a Ukranian prosecutor that was investigating the corruption within that company ??? Funny how the Democrats were kissing the boots of Zelensky so hard back here in the USA. I hate corruption, and I can smell it like a bloodhound.

Billions in kickbacks to the Biden crime family.

 

[Correll]

Didn’t Scott bessent work for George soros?

Odd response. Was that over a century ago?

 

[Correll]

I just explained why majority of Russians supported the Reds, not Whites. Many of them saw Whites as foreign proxies (and they had all reasons to think so).

Yeah, how'd that communism thing work out for you? The State about to whither away soon?

 

[sealybobo]

Odd response. Was that over a century ago?

No Scott's only 62.

You know what an odd response is? One that would get you or I fired? If we heard someone at work was talking about us behind our backs and we threatened to kick their ass in front of everyone.

That's strike 3 on Scott Bessent. Not only is he a deviant, who worked for Soros around 25 years ago, he's also a violent man. Should his kids be taken away?

 

[sealybobo]

Odd response. Was that over a century ago?

Try 1 decade ago. Funny how you try to downplay it and even suggest it was 100 years ago when it was just 10 years ago that Scott worked for the devil.

 

[Correll]

No Scott's only 62.

You know what an odd response is? One that would get you or I fired? If we heard someone at work was talking about us behind our backs and we threatened to kick their ass in front of everyone.

That's strike 3 on Scott Bessent. Not only is he a deviant, who worked for Soros around 25 years ago, he's also a violent man. Should his kids be taken away?

Sorry, I'm not up on this news story you seem to be fired up about.

Deviant? Odd talk coming from a lib. I though all sexual identities were supposed to be respected or some such shit.

 

[Litwin]

Why did you ignore the entirety of my post ? Now take it up with Anton dummy.

Because your post is made of RT, anti‑Western propaganda and narratives. I asked you once: you sound very oriental — are you a Greek, a Moscow imperialist, an Arab, or a Somalian?

This is what our patriots think about the predatory Moscow empire:

 

[Correll]

Try 1 decade ago. Funny how you try to downplay it and even suggest it was 100 years ago when it was just 10 years ago that Scott worked for the devil.

The post you were "replying" to, was making a point about discussing shit from over century ago.


So, I was just trying to undertand the context or the path your thinking was taking, or really what the hell you were even trying to discuss.

 

[Litwin]

how'd that communism thing work out for you?

Not very well, but our always‑lying Mongoloid Ivan will tell you that the Bolshevik empire was the greatest place to be born.

 

[sealybobo]

Sorry, I'm not up on this news story you seem to be fired up about.

Deviant? Odd talk coming from a lib. I though all sexual identities were supposed to be respected or some such shit.

Is that what you think now that that one of them is one of yours?

Like I said, this is an unintended consequences of the Trump presidency. He is making you cons more liberal towards gays. I love it. Now it's established that not all homos are deviants and they should even be allowed to adopt kids. My you have come a long way since just last year. Don't forget Trump said Caitlyn Jenner can use any bathroom SHE wants in his establishments. Pretty liberal of him. And by way of your vote, you too.

 

[AntonToo]

Reality is going on in my head unlike yours, events in 2014 like burning people alive in the trade Union building, when Odessa is liberated those Nazi pigs responsible had better start hiding because the Russians know who the leaders were.

People died from the fumes (not directly from fire).

You know what causes fires? Throwing Molotov cocktails off the roof of that building.


There were about 200 people in that building. Around 40 died, the rest were helped out, by make shift erected platforms. Hmm those "Nazis" sure seem helpful.





You got fucked int he head by Putin Vison, who's propaganda was using that incident for years to justify their aggression against Ukraine.

Admit it.