Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Litwin]

the only solution :

 

[Correll]

Is that what you think now that that one of them is one of yours?

I asked you about your thoughts on the matter. Yet somehow in your mind, that is me saying something about my thoughts on the matter...

wait, that kind of makes sense. Since your side, your "questions" are actually assertions and attacks, you have actually forgotten what a REAL QUESTION is, and failed to understand what was actually being said.

Hilarious.

Like I said, this is an unintended consequences of the Trump presidency. He is making you cons more liberal towards gays. I love it. Now it's established that not all homos are deviants and they should even be allowed to adopt kids.

This is all just in your head now. YOu are fantasizing and raving about it.

My you have come a long way since just last year. Don't forget Trump said Caitlyn Jenner can use any bathroom SHE wants in his establishments. Pretty liberal of him.

I've repeatedly explaind that I don't follow nor care about his day to day casual comments. You are welcome to let him live rent free in your head.

And by way of your vote, you too.

Whoa. That is interesting. YOu seem to be projecting YOUR way of thinking, ie that if you politically support a politician that that means you are on board with him on everything.

YOU might be a herd animal, like a sheep or a goat, not MAGA.

 

[Deadstick]

People were burned by fire.

You know what causes fire? Throwing Molotov cocktails off the roof of that building.

There were about 200 people in that building. Around 40 died from the fumes, the rest were helped out.





You got fucked int he head by Putin Vison, who's propaganda was using that incident for years to justify their aggression against Ukraine.

Admit it.

You complete Nazi asshole some people were burned to a crisp and others beaten to death who managed to get out, no point in talking to you because you are a Nazi who has no regrets about being one.

 

[AntonToo]

You complete Nazi asshole some people were burned to a crisp and others beaten to death who managed to get out, no point in talking to you because you are a Nazi who has no regrets about being one.

True or false -

1. Molotov cocktails were thrown off the roof of the building.

2. A lot of people were helped out of the building by make shift platforms and ladders.

Let's see if you are capable of honesty.

UKRAINE: Remember Odesa’s Tragedy on 2 May 2014 – 41 people lost their lives | Human Rights Without Frontiers

UKRAINE: State negligence in clashes between Anti- and Pro-Maidan supporters in Odesa in May 2014, the ECtHR rules “I was in Odesa to investigate the issue, two weeks after the tragedy which claimed over 40 lives” (Willy Fautré, director of Human Rights Without Frontiers). See our report on our...

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[sealybobo]

I asked you about your thoughts on the matter. Yet somehow in your mind, that is me saying something about my thoughts on the matter...

wait, that kind of makes sense. Since your side, your "questions" are actually assertions and attacks, you have actually forgotten what a REAL QUESTION is, and failed to understand what was actually being said.

Hilarious.





This is all just in your head now. YOu are fantasizing and raving about it.




I've repeatedly explaind that I don't follow nor care about his day to day casual comments. You are welcome to let him live rent free in your head.



Whoa. That is interesting. YOu seem to be projecting YOUR way of thinking, ie that if you politically support a politician that that means you are on board with him on everything.

YOU might be a herd animal, like a sheep or a goat, not MAGA.

Well if I vote for Kamala aren't I voting for trannies to be able to compete with girls in college swimming?

Don't you see what you are doing? You want it both ways.

You said "I thought you liberals were okay with guys like Scott Bessent..." We are. What I'm surprised at is how many of your kind seem to now be okay with pole smokers and butt munchers now that Trump has 6 in his administration.

Now suddenly you don't care about someone's sexuality. Yea I know. Because you can't use homophobia against us in this situation. Now I'm asking why suddenly you've got a gay who adopts kids in your administration. I've never had a problem with that. You guys did. Now you don't? Great. Glad Trump pulled you left on that social issue. Because like I said it's really a non issue.

Did you hear so far this year Trump has lost us over 1 million jobs? So Bill Clinton was right when he said since the cold war Democratic presidents 50 million jobs to Republicans 1 million jobs.

Now it's 50 million to negative jobs for Republicans.

You keep voting Republican dude. The economy is doing great for the middle class. Right? LOL

I don't believe the numbers but

Core inflation rate watched by Fed hit 2.8%​

Shouldn't inflation be going down? That is what Trump promised. Are you getting a raise in January? I am.

 

[Correll]

Well if I vote for Kamala aren't I voting for trannies to be able to compete with girls in college swimming?

Don't you see what you are doing? You want it both ways.

Discussing the whole package that comes with supporting a side or a candidate is a valid point.

Trying to use that as a childish gotcha, is not.

And then to take another step and try to build shit on that weak ass foundation?

Pathetic.

You said "I thought you liberals were okay with guys like Scott Bessent..." We are. What I'm surprised at is how many of your kind seem to now be okay with pole smokers and butt munchers now that Trump has 6 in his administration.

That is because you are projecting YOUR views on identity politics onto us, and it doesn't fit.

We can be fine with some guy doing a job, that doesn't mean we support his sexual choices.

You are being... closeminded. YOu are unable to accept that people that disagree with you, think DIFFERENTLY than you.

Now suddenly you don't care about someone's sexuality. Yea I know. Because you can't use homophobia against us in this situation. Now I'm asking why suddenly you've got a gay who adopts kids in your administration. I've never had a problem with that. You guys did. Now you don't? Great. Glad Trump pulled you left on that social issue. Because like I said it's really a non issue.

See the reason you are confused here, is that you ignored EVERYTHING from before, and just lumped it under "homophobia" and then shut off your brain.

YOu are trying to understand our behavior, based on your, to be fair, completely retarded understanding of our position on the issue.

Did you hear so far this year Trump has lost us over 1 million jobs? So Bill Clinton was right when he said since the cold war Democratic presidents 50 million jobs to Republicans 1 million jobs.

Now it's 50 million to negative jobs for Republicans.

You keep voting Republican dude. The economy is doing great for the middle class. Right? LOL

I don't believe the numbers but

Core inflation rate watched by Fed hit 2.8%​

Shouldn't inflation be going down? That is what Trump promised. Are you getting a raise in January? I am.

More shit talk. Lets wait to see what impact the depotations have on wages. That to me is going to be the defining issue of this second trump term.

Assuming it doesn't get buried by impact from better trade policy.

 

[sealybobo]

Discussing the whole package that comes with supporting a side or a candidate is a valid point.

Trying to use that as a childish gotcha, is not.

And then to take another step and try to build shit on that weak ass foundation?

Pathetic.




That is because you are projecting YOUR views on identity politics onto us, and it doesn't fit.

We can be fine with some guy doing a job, that doesn't mean we support his sexual choices.

You are being... closeminded. YOu are unable to accept that people that disagree with you, think DIFFERENTLY than you.




See the reason you are confused here, is that you ignored EVERYTHING from before, and just lumped it under "homophobia" and then shut off your brain.

YOu are trying to understand our behavior, based on your, to be fair, completely retarded understanding of our position on the issue.





More shit talk. Lets wait to see what impact the depotations have on wages. That to me is going to be the defining issue of this second trump term.

Assuming it doesn't get buried by impact from better trade policy.

Quite Piggy! LOL.

 

[Correll]

Quite Piggy! LOL.

If wages rise, you going to admit it and celebrate it, or find a reason to try to ignore it and continue to be a member of the brain damaged herd?

 

[Deadstick]

True or false -

1. Molotov cocktails were thrown off the roof of the building.

2. A lot of people were helped out of the building by make shift platforms and ladders.

Let's see if you are capable of honesty.

UKRAINE: Remember Odesa’s Tragedy on 2 May 2014 – 41 people lost their lives | Human Rights Without Frontiers

UKRAINE: State negligence in clashes between Anti- and Pro-Maidan supporters in Odesa in May 2014, the ECtHR rules “I was in Odesa to investigate the issue, two weeks after the tragedy which claimed over 40 lives” (Willy Fautré, director of Human Rights Without Frontiers). See our report on our...

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This is more reality for you,Roses have Thorns the Odessa massacre, most of those victims were citizens of Odessa you Vlasov trash.

 

[AntonToo]

This is more reality for you,Roses have Thorns the Odessa massacre, most of those victims were citizens of Odessa you Vlasov trash.

See? you CAN'T honestly and directly answer.

Because those are the facts.

Pro-Russian protestors attacked Unified Ukraine march. Killed a man, shot at others with complicity from the police (who ran off to Russia rather than stand trial for it).

Once they were cornered into that building some of them did throw molotov cocktails from the roof.

Once the fire started a lot of people in the building were helped to escape with make shift platforms and ladders.

You can't refute that, so all you are down to is a stupid deflection about someone being or not being a resident of Odessa.

UKRAINE: Remember Odesa’s Tragedy on 2 May 2014 – 41 people lost their lives | Human Rights Without Frontiers

UKRAINE: State negligence in clashes between Anti- and Pro-Maidan supporters in Odesa in May 2014, the ECtHR rules “I was in Odesa to investigate the issue, two weeks after the tragedy which claimed over 40 lives” (Willy Fautré, director of Human Rights Without Frontiers). See our report on our...

hrwf.eu

I guess it takes certain amount of intelligence to feel shame about posting all the dishonest bullshit that you are.

 

[Deadstick]

See? you CAN'T honestly and directly answer.

Because those are the facts.

Pro-Russian protestors attacked Unified Ukraine march. Killed a man, shot at others with complicity from the police (who ran off to Russia rather than stand trial for it).

Once they were cornered into that building some of them did throw molotov cocktails from the roof.

Once the fire started a lot of people in the building were helped to escape with make shift platforms and ladders.

You can't refute that, so all you are down to is a stupid deflection about someone being or not being a resident of Odessa.

UKRAINE: Remember Odesa’s Tragedy on 2 May 2014 – 41 people lost their lives | Human Rights Without Frontiers

UKRAINE: State negligence in clashes between Anti- and Pro-Maidan supporters in Odesa in May 2014, the ECtHR rules “I was in Odesa to investigate the issue, two weeks after the tragedy which claimed over 40 lives” (Willy Fautré, director of Human Rights Without Frontiers). See our report on our...

hrwf.eu

I guess it takes certain amount of intelligence to feel shame about posting all the dishonest bullshit that you are.

You can't refute what is in my video, if you can be bothered to watch.

 

[AntonToo]

You can't refute what is in my video, if you can be bothered to watch.

Nothing in your video refutes the facts I've explained.

If you think it does, then see if you could put together whatever braincells you have left and rationally explain how.

 

[JoeB131]

And thats a false equivalency.

Ukraine is both less repressive and less corrupt. Unlike in Russia there is a real internalization of democratic principles in the country, real improvement over the years, even if there is still ways to go. They are litterally spilling their blood for it.

I would argue that the level of corruption is only by a few degrees. Zelenskyy has banned opposition political parties, closed down opposition press, and has even gone after the Russian Orthodox Church. And gee, his Chief of Staff was pocketing millions in energy spending while the Ukrainian people went cold at night.

You are far removed from it and you don't understand the fundamental difference in the way Ukranians think vs Putin Vision mind-fucked Russians.

You are right. I am far removed and this isn't my problem.

You mean ASIDE FROM KEEPING OUR DAMN WORD to back Ukraine if it got attacked after giving up it's nuclear weapons?

Did we promise to start World War III if Ukraine needlessly provoked Russia?

Aside from knowing right from wrong and backing the victim of a fascist invasion?

Right and wrong are subjective. Russia has valid concerns - the treatment of ethnic Russians, economic exploitation by the EU, and security concerns about NATO moving right up to their borders.

Aside from upholding international law and democratic priciples?

Okay, let's look at that. Russia and Ukraine entered into the Minsky Accords to resolve the Donbas Issue. Zelenskyy attempted to resolve it by subduing the LPR and DPR. He calculated that Putin wouldn't intervene. He was wrong.

Why don't you leave conscription matters for Ukraine to manage, let Ukranians decide what they can or can't win. Nobody has better understanding of sacrifice and costs of war than they do.

I'm happy to leave the whole thing for Ukraine to manage. Which means no more picking the pockets of the US taxpayer.

Harris and Biden's position was simple - do the right thing, BACK UKRAINE, let Putin run up the costs on continuing the war, strenghen Ukranian leverage in eventual settlement. DO NOT give Putin hope that Ukraine will be abandoned and he can roll them over, because all that does is extend the war.

Except Biden and Harris waited two years with that strategy, and it just brought untold misery to Ukraine.

Meanwhile on your part you can stop spreading Kremlin bullshit and get on the right side of history.

I would rather avoid WWIII and actually be able to have history to write.

 

[AntonToo]

I would argue that the level of corruption is only by a few degrees. Zelenskyy has banned opposition political parties, closed down opposition press, and has even gone after the Russian Orthodox Church. And gee, his Chief of Staff was pocketing millions in energy spending while the Ukrainian people went cold at night.

You are arguing from silly ignorance.


Zelenskyy has banned INVADER'S PROPAGANDA DURING THE WAR FOR THE VERY SURVIVAL OF UKRAINE. Which is a no brainer for anyone who actually grasps situation Ukraine is in.

Otherwise opposition and protesting is alive and well in Ukraine - see recent anti-corruption protests. You know what Russians are de-facto allowed to protest? NOTHING.

Russian Orthodox Church is Putin's proganda machine ran by an ex-KGB agent named Kirill. ROC spends it's time convincing Vankyas to go die in Ukraine for Putin. This is the chuch you expect Zelenskyy to keep operating in Ukraine?

 

[AntonToo]

I would rather avoid WWIII and actually be able to have history to write.

Silly nonsense - Russia has no means to wage WW3, they can't even get a handle on Ukraine.

All they could do is make a big nuclear wasteland out of Moscow. Nothing about Ukraine would will ever make Putin reach for that self-destruct button.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Silly nonsense - Russia has no means to wage WW3, they can't even get a handle on Ukraine.

All they could do is make a big nuclear wasteland out of Moscow. Nothing about Ukraine would will ever make Putin reach for that self-destruct button.

That's the kind of stellar inaccuracy regarding Russian capabilities that just completely wiped out Ukraine as a functional nation in 3 years

 

[AntonToo]

That's the kind of stellar inaccuracy regarding Russian capabilities that just completely wiped out Ukraine as a functional nation in 3 years

Hey Moscow Bob, newsfalsh for you: Russians shit themselves in Ukraine.

The guage "on Russian capabilities" at the start of the full scale invasion was 1-2 weeks to Kiev. Instead it's been retreat for a year and slow grind with inability to capture even one major city for 3 more.

 

[Zavulon]

....Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in February 2014 and you are asking how come there was a straigned relationship?

If Mexico annexes Texas you figure there might be some friction between United States and Mexico?

Come on.

When United States annexed Texas there were some friction between Mexico and United States. One might even call it a "war". But Mexico was defeated, lost 2/3 of "their" territory and now it is a territory of the United States and Mexico more or less accepted new reality by signing a peace treaty.

 

[Zavulon]

And thats a false equivalency.

Ukraine is both less repressive and less corrupt. Unlike in Russia there is a real internalization of democratic principles in the country, real improvement over the years, even if there is still ways to go. They are litterally spilling their blood for it.

Bla-bla-bla. They are spilling their blood literally because of corruption. Because corrupted Kievan regime sell them as cannon fodder. That's all. Defund Ukraine. Open borders of Ukraine. And absolute majority of still survived Ukrainians won't fight.

You are far removed from it and you don't understand the fundamental difference in the way Ukranians think vs Putin Vision mind-fucked Russians.

Ukrainians are just Russians who (some of them) think they are not Russians. That's all. There is no real difference especially if we are talking about high-rank Russian-speaking Ukrainians (and all high-rank Ukrainians are Russian-speaking).

You mean ASIDE FROM KEEPING OUR DAMN WORD to back Ukraine if it got attacked after giving up it's nuclear weapons?

It were not "their" nuclear weapons. It were Soviet/Russian nuclear weapons. Same way, as there is no Montana's or South Dacota's nuclear weapons.

Aside from knowing right from wrong and backing the victim of a fascist invasion?

Aside from upholding international law and democratic priciples?

Why don't you leave conscription matters for Ukraine to manage, let Ukranians decide what they can or can't win. Nobody has better understanding of sacrifice and costs of war than they do.

Till you pay money for the Kievan regime - they will continue to sell you cannon fodder.

The questions are: a) What result do you want to achieve by buying that cannon pork, given that strategic defeat of Russia is impossible? b) Do you really want to destroy America, raising at the ladder of escalation (or allowing Russians to escalate at the time and by the matter they choose)?

 

[Zavulon]

Yeah, how'd that communism thing work out for you? The State about to whither away soon?

It worked quite well in time. At least we won the next war with United Europe. It wouldn't be possible with White government in 1920-30s. What do I think about Perestroika and The New Thinking? Many people believe that it was a bad choice, and thermonuclear war in 1985 would be better. I'm not sure, details are important. And most of those details are still classified.