Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Robert W]

Well, no, again, we didn't offer Hitler negotiation AFTER the fighting started.


So let's look at what Hilter was allowed to get away with.

He remilitarized the Rhineland. That was sovereign German territory, kind of hard to argue with that one.

He unified with Austria (Anschluss). Except most Austrians wanted that union. Austria wasn't really economically viable on its own. (It also wasn't a democracy, having its own form of fascism.)

Then there was Munich. Problem there was two-fold. The Allies didn't want a war. They didn't want Stalin playing a bigger role in Eastern Europe.

I would argue that where the Western Allies screwed up was telling the Polish Colonels to act tough. (Poland also wasn't a democracy at that point, go figure). Instead, Hitler cut a deal with Stalin. But the Allies didn't declare war on the USSR, for some reason. Did you ever wonder why?

I'm not sure if your Hitler Analogy even stands. The better Analogy would be Korea.

North Korea invades South Korea, the US and ROK beat them back, China intervenes, and by the end of a year or so, it locks down into a stalemate.

But it still took another two years to negotiate a ceasefire (Technically, it's still an active war zone).

Obviously, the US could have escalated in an attempt to drive back the Chinese and North Koreans. Reinstitute full conscription, start rationing, and send over thousands of troops instead of the mere Nine divisions we sent. Start strategically bombing China and encourage Chiang Kai-Shek to invade the mainland.

This probably would have brought the USSR into the war and possibly expanded it into Europe, but hey, sometimes those are the breaks. Oh, yeah, and exchanging nukes.

Instead, cooler heads prevailed, and we got a peace treaty that not everyone was happy with, but everyone could live with. The emphasis being on "LIVING".

You did not confuse me one bit Joe.
Putin invaded. Why do you defend him?

 

[Deadstick]

You did not confuse me one bit Joe.
Putin invaded. Why do you defend him?

This is one reason for the SMO the job isn't finished yet.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

WTF? Sevastopol base is not the entirety of Crimea you ignoramus.

Russia had lease agreement on that port untill 2040s and fuly recognized and ratified border agreement with Ukraine in 2003.

Here is Putin clearly stating in 2008 that Russia has no claim to Crimea and it is undesputed Ukranian territory:

Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

www.rferl.org

Just as clearly, Russian millitary leaving that base, blocking Ukranian army and taking over Crimean parlament was an illicit invasion.

Lets see here "Dipstick",...... How would Russia access it's base, as it had been doing previously doing before The Overthrow of the Popularly Elected President???? Would that be Overland, through Crimea, that in the majority of approx. 65%, has a population of "Russians"?

"Vladimir Putin isn't invading Crimea or trying to secure the land around which his warm-water fleet is based, no, no. He is protecting Russian speakers from brazen fascist aggression on the part of the Ukrainians. Truth is, protecting, uh, Russian speakers in Crimea has been a passion of Putin's for a long time.

And You need to verify, re-verify, & re-re-verify Your Data.

I Absolutely do not support Putin/Russia,.... Just The Truth, and,.... Russia Did Not Start this War.

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How long?
Publicly, since at least 2008. That year, at the April Russia-NATO summit in Bucharest, Putin made his desire to protect the Russian language known. Putin and his brass have long felt that NATO, especially an expanding one, to be one of the main threats to Russia. I can't blame him, frankly, but at that summit, he reportedly made clear that if NATO dared to take Ukraine into its fold, Putin will take...Crimea. You know, to protect the Russian speakers."

Putin's Been Wanting Crimea for a Long, Long Time

Vladimir Putin isn't invading Crimea or trying to secure the land around which his warm-water fleet is based, no, no. He is protecting Russian speakers from brazen fascist aggression on the part of the Ukrainians. Truth is, protecting, uh, Russian speakers in Crimea has been a passion of Putin's...

newrepublic.com

 

[Litwin]

This is one reason for the SMO the job isn't finished yet.
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Cheap (much like you ) Photoshop.


But this is a quality documentary Putin’s Secret Neo-Nazi Armies , Decade of Hate:

Post in thread 'Muscovite 🇷🇺 Nazi.'

Nov 4, 2025

Removal Of Plaques Marking Katyn Massacre, Critics See Moscow Campaign To Rewrite History

In Removal Of Plaques Marking Katyn Massacre, Critics See Russian Campaign To Rewrite History

Authorities in the Russian city of Tver have ordered the removal of commemorative plaques affixed to a building where thousands of Polish officers were shot by Soviet secret police in 1940. Critics tie the initiative to what they charge is a growing government effort to rewrite history ahead of...

www.rferl.org

The founder of Nazi-Rusich gang , Milchakov, literally calls himself a nazi. They've been fighting in Ukraine since 2014. Isn't it just like despot Putin to claim the other side is doing exactly what he himself is doing.
Putin’s Secret Neo-Nazi Armies , Decade of Hate

• Litwin

 

[JoeB131]

I believe you are wrong.

When did anyone offer to negotiate with Hitler after the war started?

Thanks.

 

[JoeB131]

You appear to be far to educated to be a Democrat. Forget your hate for Mormons, you used to be on the right side.
Too bad a smart guy like you picked to leap into the hateful arms of Democrats.

Actually, I've never liked Mormons, even when I was more conservative, but that's neither here nor there.

Here's what changed me. In 2007, after six years of loyal service to a company, I got sidelined into a role that derailed my career. When I objected, my boss replied, "This is why I'm glad i don't have to deal with a union."

I recognized the basic truth most Republicans don't get. I'm not rich enough to vote Republicans, and neither are you. They trick you into thinking they care about you by playing on your racial, religious, and sexual fears, but at the end of the day, Democrats are on the side of the workers and consumers, Republicans are on the side of the Investors and Corporations. Period.

 

[JoeB131]

You did not confuse me one bit Joe.
Putin invaded. Why do you defend him?

Putin invaded after he was rightfully provoked.

The US has invaded countries with a LOT less just cause than Putin had - Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Libya, Serbia. So let's get off our high horse and try to find a solution, M'kay.

 

[Robert W]

Putin invaded after he was rightfully provoked.

You can't tell me why he was provoked and why it caused him to invade Ukraine. The rest of your excuses is not why he invaded Ukraine. Next you will deny Russia forces are inside Ukraine, so eager to defend Putin you are. He invaded under Biden so connect Biden to his invasion.

 

[Litwin]

the horde attacked 19 countries. None attacked the horde.
EU resolution: demands binding security guarantees for Ukraine — modeled on NATO Article 5 & EU mutual defense clause — vows never to recognize occupied territories as the

horde, and upholds inviolable borders under international law.

 

[Robert W]

I recognized the basic truth most Republicans don't get. I'm not rich enough to vote Republicans, and neither are you. They trick you into thinking they care about you by playing on your racial, religious, and sexual fears, but at the end of the day, Democrats are on the side of the workers and consumers, Republicans are on the side of the Investors and Corporations. Period.

Republicans like service for all American citizens JoeB131. Democrats pretend to be for a class. you call them workers. The Rich hire workers. Get rid of the rich and workers have no jobs.

 

[Robert W]

When did anyone offer to negotiate with Hitler after the war started?

Thanks.

That was a fake question to start with, but Hitler did offer to negotiate after he invaded Poland.

 

[AntonToo]

This is what protesting in the UK gets you and France. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...est-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/

Idiot, did you read your own link?

British lawmakers banned Palestine Action under anti-terrorism legislation in July after some of its members broke into a Royal Air Force base and damaged planes as part of a series of protests.

Maybe gov over-reached and there are independent courts to settle that (unlike in Russia) but generally protests in Britain are common and well tollerated.

List of protests in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Here is the list of specifically Gaza war related protests:

Gaza war protests in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You have to be straight ******* stupid to think that Russian repressions are somehow comparable here.

 

[AntonToo]

That's payed "pro-European" protesters. Just reminder for Zelenskiy to stay in line

When was the last time Putin allowed to be reminded?

Serious opposition or criticism for Putin is non-existant in Russia, stop posting horseshit.

 

[AntonToo]

Tell me something, you claim to be Russian, when the Ukrainian fascists were killing ethnic Russians in Donbass for 8 years and burning others alive in the Odessa trade union building were you ok with that?

What you are posting is retarded Kremlin propaganda. When are you going to start using you damn head?

1. How the hell do you tell an "ethnic Russian" in Donbass when most people speak Russian? Everyone's passport simply reads: citizen of UKRANE.

2. Nobody was getting "killed by fascists" untill Girkin and his armed goon squad started taking over Donbas cities in April 2014 and putting RF flags on Ukranian gov buildings.

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

And somehow killings stopped as soon as those separatists got knocked the **** out of cities like Sloviansk and Krematorsk.

3. Enthnic Russians are all over Ukraine, Kiev is 20% ethnic Russian yet somehow "fascists killing Russians" only happened where RFers were supposedly "defending" someone?

The answer is very simple - the conflict is not with ethnic Russians, it is specifically with CRIMINAL SEPERATISTS, no matter what ethnicity they are.


Before Putin's invasion the conflict was basicaly frozen, with annual casualties since 2019 that could be counted on your hands and those were primarily from people stepping on mines.

TOTAL death toll in 8 years, mostly soldiers and militants from both sides was about 14,000. You can compare that to well over a million since Putin ordered the full scale invasion.

So nobody has been killing Russians in Ukraine like Putin is. People that truely love Russians don't want to see them killed by the thousands every ******* month for years on end so Putin can steal a piece of land. True Russian patriots are those that want to see RF as an open, prosperous country that respects borders, gets along with it's neighbors, produces and trades with other countries, spends it's vast resources for the benefit of it's citizens.

 

[AntonToo]

"No freedom to the enemies of freedom"? Sounds like bigotry to me. And the fact is that Russian "invasion" was absolutely justful and Ukrainian "law" just declared that the truth is illegal.

Really? Looks like you never read Russian segment of telegram or any analytical resources.

TELEGRAM? This is your claim to freedom of speech in Russia? Someone still being able to say something behind a screen name on an app called Telegram, that had to hand over encryption keys to Russian gov to only be partially banned?

It's hard to belive you can be this ******* dumb....but here you are.

I speak to my relative in Russia through telegram and although I know he is against whats going on, he is straight up too scared to say something explicitly over the phone. That is the granular level of repression and thought control Russia lives in now. If you don't happen to agree with government, you better stfu or else.

It's only to brainwashed sheep like you that don't get it, since you are too incapacitated to have critical thoughts about Dear Leader Putin and insane shit he does.

 

[AntonToo]

Lets see here "Dipstick",...... How would Russia access it's base, as it had been doing previously doing before The Overthrow of the Popularly Elected President????

Nobody was restricting Russia from using it's base.

Maidan, Yanukovich running off, assignment of acting president - NONE of that had to do with Russia's lease of Sevastopol until 2040's and Russia's full access to it in accordance with the agreement.

Stop making up stupid bullshit.

 

[Zavulon]

When was the last time Putin allowed to be reminded?

Putin doesn't have foreign masters, unlike Zelenskiy. But really public reminder was in 2023 by Wagner's mutiny.
Less public, was, say, few days ago.

Serious opposition or criticism for Putin is non-existant in Russia, stop posting horseshit.

Do you have any serious opposition to Colonel Sanders in KFC? Nowadays Putin is just a brand. I'm not sure if he can control tea or coffee he'll have for breakfast. He is 73 years old, and barely have a clue about what is actually happening around him.

 

[beagle9]

Actually, I've never liked Mormons, even when I was more conservative, but that's neither here nor there.

Here's what changed me. In 2007, after six years of loyal service to a company, I got sidelined into a role that derailed my career. When I objected, my boss replied, "This is why I'm glad i don't have to deal with a union."

I recognized the basic truth most Republicans don't get. I'm not rich enough to vote Republicans, and neither are you. They trick you into thinking they care about you by playing on your racial, religious, and sexual fears, but at the end of the day, Democrats are on the side of the workers and consumers, Republicans are on the side of the Investors and Corporations. Period.

So now we know that you are just a bitter old fart whining all the time on these forums because you ran into some bad luck in life, and you're spoiled rotten ace couldn't take it. Yeah you finally said it..

 

[Ringo]

 

[Zavulon]

TELEGRAM? This is your claim to freedom of speech in Russia? Someone still being able to say something behind a screen name on an app called Telegram, that had to hand over encryption keys to Russian gov to only be partially banned?

There are a lot of other apps and discussion places.

It's hard to belive you can be this ******* dumb....but here you are.

I speak to my relative in Russia through telegram and although I know he is against whats going on, he is straight up too scared to say something explicitly over the phone.

Or, he just doesn't want to frustrate you. I also speak this tone with my cousin in Israel.

That is the granular level of repression and thought control Russia lives in now. If you don't happen to agree with government, you better stfu or else.

It depends on how exactly you are disagree and with whom exactly you are disagree. If you have constructive ideas - the government might hear you.

It's only to brainwashed sheep like you that don't get it, since you are too incapacitated to have critical thoughts about Dear Leader Putin and insane shit he does.

I don't like Putin's personality (or brand they promote). I have some critical ideas about some issues in Russia. And some of those ideas even saved some lives on the front, because decision-makers asked and heard me.