Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Deadstick]

Well, not exactly. After the war started, Coca-Colo ceased to provide ingredients to their German plants, so the Germans, being Germans, got creative and created Fanta.

Some details.

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THE HISTORY OF COCA-COLA IN WW2​

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As the Second World War unfolded, the world was in chaos.
During this period, Coca-Cola was able to be the symbol of American values and provided aid to millions of soldiers on the frontlines. Over five billion bottles of Coca-Cola would be consumed by military personnel.
From President Franklin D. Roosevelt to the development of Fanta in Germany—the history of Coca-Cola during WW2 went from bright to dark at times.
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A PRESIDENTIAL DECREE FOR THE AMERICAN BEVERAGE​

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As America entered WWII, President Franklin D. Roosevelt was looking for a “Full Victory” according to one of his famous State of the Union Addresses. To do so he went looking for a morale booster for the troops. He and Coca-Cola’s then president Robert Woodruff collaborated. They made the joint decision to make Coca-Cola available to all American soldiers worldwide for just 5 cents.
Coca-Cola’s website chronicles that Woodruff mandated that every American soldier should have a bottle of Coke no matter their location.
This is how Coca-Cola would become a world soda giant.
It helped the company expand and establish bottling plants across the globe, including many remote locations where the company had never operated.
The initiative was crucial to the war effort and helped every American soldier have a connection with home.
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SUGAR RATIONING IN WW2​

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During the war many companies, including The Coca-Cola Company were in a lot of trouble due to sugar rationing.
There were laws passed and regulations passed by the US government in 1942 as part of the broader Food Rationing Program.
The NPS says the law limited households to about 8 ounces of sugar per week.
Many businesses would go bust.
However, President Roosevelt gave Coca-Cola special dispensation to import sugar so that they could continue manufacturing Coca-Cola for the troops. Many saw this as cronyism. But it helped Coca-Cola thrive where its competitors like Pepsi would go bankrupt.
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THE COCA-COLA COLONELS​

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Coca-Cola dispatched 148 “Coca-Cola Colonels” to establish portable bottling plants near the front lines.
With the help of General Dwight Eisenhower’s help in 1943, they built 64 bottling plants in combat zones across Europe and the Pacific.
These Coca-Cola employees were in charge of insane logistics that sourced ingredients across vast distances. They were also tasked with maintaining product quality and consistency in often challenging and dangerous circumstances.
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PRISONERS OF WAR​

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In WWII, America was operating POW camps with mainly German prisoners.
The US made a policy of giving prisoners a bottle of Coca-Cola with all of their rations.
It was a decision to show empathy and respect to every human being. And it was a way to spread American values, even in the darkest of places.
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FANTA’S NAZI ORIGINS​

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Not everything was rosy at Coca-Cola. Even though the company was in cahoots with the US government, they still managed to operate in Nazi Germany.
Coca-Cola’s German branch was led by a fellow named Max Keith.
The German division was in crisis.
Trade embargoes had cut off the Coca-Cola syrup used to make the cola from America.
The sources say that Keith and his team were tasked with making a drink with local German ingredients. They innovated by using apple pomace from cider presses, whey, and various fruit scraps.
The new beverage was called Fanta.
It was named by salesman Joe Knipp and was a popular soda in the countries controlled by the Axis powers.
Fanta also allowed Coca-Cola to continue operating in Nazi Germany. To this day, the company has not apologized for making money under such an unethical regime.[/COLOR]​

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[TruthSeeker112125]

No? So what's this???

On 27 February 2014, unidentified armed men seized the local parliament and local government buildings in Crimea, raising the Russian flag.

Among them appeared to be regular soldiers without military insignia, who were dubbed the "little green men".

Mr Putin subsequently admitted deploying troops on the peninsula to "stand behind Crimea's self-defence forces".

Putin reveals secrets of Russia's Crimea takeover plot

Vladimir Putin admits for the first time that Russia's annexation of Crimea began weeks before its disputed referendum on self-determination.

www.bbc.com

That's Crimea,.... Which has long been the "Warm Water Port" of Russia dating back to the time of the Tsars, if not longer.

Taking what already was largely a Russian Base, I don't consider the event that brought about The War.

Besides that "The Maidan Square Massacre" occurred Feb 20-2014

 

[AntonToo]

If CNN was in a country that is in full blown war with another, then how do you think the government would treat it, otherwise if it were to become a threat to national security due to it being opposed to the let's call it a patriotic war, and therefore it began to undermine and use propaganda in hopes to allow ones enemies to get info or intel on everything from A-Z that could be devastating to one's own nation ??

Horseshit.

It's illegal to publicly call it war in Russia. It's just a "Special Operation" according to Kremlin propaganda, because according to their own law it's a criminal offsense to start an agressive war and if Putin's regime is ever out of power they will be feasably brought up on those cirminal charges.

There is no declaration of martial law in Russia, so there is no legal basis whatsoever to gag on media. It's now de-facto illegal to protest and post on social media, never mind saying something Putin doesn't happen to like on TV.

And even before the war Putin made sure to take full control of primetime TV and it was VERY dangerous to one's health and livelyhood to be in whatever small-time opposition media operations that were still allowed.

Ukraine does have declared martial law in effect and STILL IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO CONTRADICT GOV STATEMENTS or to criticize leadership including Zelensky on factual grounds. Coverage of the corruption scandals is extensive for example.

America was also in major wars, there has NEVER been these sort of freedom of speech represions.

 

[Zavulon]

It's illegal to publicly call it war in Russia. It's just a "Special Operation" according to Kremlin propaganda, because according to their own law it's a criminal offsense to start an agressive war and if Putin is ever out of power he will be feasably brought up on those cirminal charges.

There is no declaration of martial law, so there is no legal basis whatsoever to full blown gag on media.

Ukraine does have declared martial law in effect and STILL IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO CONTRADICT GOV STATEMENTS or to criticize leadership including Zelensky on factual grounds.

Sure. They just burn people alive just for peaceful demonstration in defence of basic human rights.

 

[AntonToo]

That's Crimea,.... Which has long been the "Warm Water Port" of Russia dating back to the time of the Tsars, if not longer.

Taking what already was largely a Russian Base, I don't consider the event that brought about The War.

Besides that "The Maidan Square Massacre" occurred Feb 20-2014

WTF? Sevastopol base is not the entirety of Crimea you ignoramus.

Russia had lease agreement on that port untill 2040s and fuly recognized and ratified border agreement with Ukraine in 2003.

Here is Putin clearly stating in 2008 that Russia has no claim to Crimea and it is undesputed Ukranian territory:

Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

www.rferl.org

Just as clearly, Russian millitary leaving that base, blocking Ukranian army and taking over Crimean parlament was an illicit invasion.

 

[AntonToo]

Sure. They just burn people alive just for peaceful demonstration in defence of basic human rights.

So what is this bullshit peddler?



All the protesting, zero represion, government responding with reforms.



And this is what protesting in Russia gets you:



This by the way WAS NOT DURING THE WAR. This was 8 years ago.


This is what Russian protesting it looks like since the start of the "operation":

 

[Deadstick]

Horseshit.

It's illegal to publicly call it war in Russia. It's just a "Special Operation" according to Kremlin propaganda, because according to their own law it's a criminal offsense to start an agressive war and if Putin's regime is ever out of power they will be feasably brought up on those cirminal charges.

There is no declaration of martial law in Russia, so there is no legal basis whatsoever to gag on media. It's now de-facto illegal to protest and post on social media, never mind saying something Putin doesn't happen to like on TV.

And even before the war Putin made sure to take full control of primetime TV and it was VERY dangerous to one's health and livelyhood to be in whatever small-time opposition media operations that were still allowed.

Ukraine does have declared martial law in effect and STILL IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO CONTRADICT GOV STATEMENTS or to criticize leadership including Zelensky on factual grounds. Coverage of the corruption scandals is extensive for example.

America was also in major wars, there has NEVER been these sort of freedom of speech represions.

Try telling Gonzalo Lira.

 

[AntonToo]

Try telling Gonzalo Lira.

We are not talking about "production and dissemination of materials justifying Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine" in a country being invaded, with declared martial law.

We are talking about people in Russia going to jail, beaten and fined for ANY protesting or public contradiction of official propaganda on factual basis.

ANYTHING that is seen as counter to regime's interest is getting squashed.

 

[Deadstick]

So what is this bullshit peddler?



All the protesting, zero represion, government responding with reforms.



And this is what protesting in Russia gets you:



This by the way WAS NOT DURING THE WAR. This was 8 years ago.


This is what Russian protesting it looks like since the start of the "operation":

This is what protesting in the UK gets you and France. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...est-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/

 

[Deadstick]

We are not talking about "production and dissemination of materials justifying Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine" in a country being invaded, with declared martial law.

We are talking about people in Russia going to jail, beaten and fined for ANY protesting or public contradiction of official propaganda on factual basis.

ANYTHING that is seen as counter to regime's interest is getting squashed.

Tell me something, you claim to be Russian, when the Ukrainian fascists were killing ethnic Russians in Donbass for 8 years and burning others alive in the Odessa trade union building were you ok with that?

 

[beagle9]

Horseshit.

It's illegal to publicly call it war in Russia. It's just a "Special Operation" according to Kremlin propaganda, because according to their own law it's a criminal offsense to start an agressive war and if Putin's regime is ever out of power they will be feasably brought up on those cirminal charges.

There is no declaration of martial law in Russia, so there is no legal basis whatsoever to gag on media. It's now de-facto illegal to protest and post on social media, never mind saying something Putin doesn't happen to like on TV.

And even before the war Putin made sure to take full control of primetime TV and it was VERY dangerous to one's health and livelyhood to be in whatever small-time opposition media operations that were still allowed.

Ukraine does have declared martial law in effect and STILL IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO CONTRADICT GOV STATEMENTS or to criticize leadership including Zelensky on factual grounds. Coverage of the corruption scandals is extensive for example.

America was also in major wars, there has NEVER been these sort of freedom of speech represions.

Different times calls for different measures, and who are we to try and convince another nation to ignore national security threats that might come from within ??

Many might see it differently in media circles, otherwise who see it as they have to get that story out regardless of the damage it could cause to the nation's national security during a hot war. Part of security measures during a hot war (that could have enemies also lurking within), is to regulate the media on what it can report on for national security reasons during the war.

 

[Robert W]

I don't think that was a Hitler principle.

The Allies should have stopped Hitler when he rearmed the Rhineland. They didn't because they were hoping he'd take care of Stalin for them.

It wasn't until he turned on them that they started to notice.

This, of course, has nothing to do with two Slavic dictators arguing over where the border between their countries should be.

That was the Hitler Principle for war JoeB131

Should of would of, he used the principle you approved for Putin.

 

[Zavulon]

So what is this bullshit peddler?



All the protesting, zero represion, government responding with reforms.

That's payed "pro-European" protesters. Just reminder for Zelenskiy to stay in line.

When the Russian people try to defend their basic human rights taken by the new Kievan regime, really ugly things like Odessa Massacre happened.

And this is what doing similar in Russia gets you:

If you are violating public order in Russia, (or in any other more or less civilised country) you can be arrested by police (and, if necessary, even beaten during process of arrest), but not murdered by the neo-nazi groups (with total support of regime).

That's one of the difference between civilised countries and lawless sh-tholes.

 

[JoeB131]

That was the Hitler Principle for war JoeB131

Should of would of, he used the principle you approved for Putin.

Well, no, again, we didn't offer Hitler negotiation AFTER the fighting started.


So let's look at what Hilter was allowed to get away with.

He remilitarized the Rhineland. That was sovereign German territory, kind of hard to argue with that one.

He unified with Austria (Anschluss). Except most Austrians wanted that union. Austria wasn't really economically viable on its own. (It also wasn't a democracy, having its own form of fascism.)

Then there was Munich. Problem there was two-fold. The Allies didn't want a war. They didn't want Stalin playing a bigger role in Eastern Europe.

I would argue that where the Western Allies screwed up was telling the Polish Colonels to act tough. (Poland also wasn't a democracy at that point, go figure). Instead, Hitler cut a deal with Stalin. But the Allies didn't declare war on the USSR, for some reason. Did you ever wonder why?

I'm not sure if your Hitler Analogy even stands. The better Analogy would be Korea.

North Korea invades South Korea, the US and ROK beat them back, China intervenes, and by the end of a year or so, it locks down into a stalemate.

But it still took another two years to negotiate a ceasefire (Technically, it's still an active war zone).

Obviously, the US could have escalated in an attempt to drive back the Chinese and North Koreans. Reinstitute full conscription, start rationing, and send over thousands of troops instead of the mere Nine divisions we sent. Start strategically bombing China and encourage Chiang Kai-Shek to invade the mainland.

This probably would have brought the USSR into the war and possibly expanded it into Europe, but hey, sometimes those are the breaks. Oh, yeah, and exchanging nukes.

Instead, cooler heads prevailed, and we got a peace treaty that not everyone was happy with, but everyone could live with. The emphasis being on "LIVING".

 

[Zavulon]

Tell me something, you claim to be Russian, when the Ukrainian fascists were killing ethnic Russians in Donbass for 8 years and burning others alive in the Odessa trade union building were you ok with that?

He is not a Russian. He commited "Tarassition" ("Tarasoperehod" in Russian) from "Taras" (stereotypical Ukrainain name) and Transition (changing ones gender), and now he is just Vyrus. And Vyrus often hates Russians.

 

[Deadstick]

He is not a Russian. He commited "Tarassition" ("Tarasoperehod" in Russian) from "Taras" (stereotypical Ukrainain name) and Transition (changing ones gender), and now he is just Vyrus. And Vyrus often hates Russians.

He said he was born in Russia.

 

[Robert W]

Well, no, again, we didn't offer Hitler negotiation AFTER the fighting started.

I believe you are wrong.

 

[Zavulon]

We are not talking about "production and dissemination of materials justifying Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine" in a country being invaded, with declared martial law.

"No freedom to the enemies of freedom"? Sounds like bigotry to me. And the fact is that Russian "invasion" was absolutely justful and Ukrainian "law" just declared that the truth is illegal.

We are talking about people in Russia going to jail, beaten and fined for ANY protesting or public contradiction of official propaganda on factual basis.

Really? Looks like you never read Russian segment of telegram or any analytical resources. They are full of criticism. Actually, it is the best way to collect donates from your subscribers. You show a real problem, you suggest a real way to solve this problem (usually it's buying some goods). You ask your subscribers to send you money to solve this problem, and then you take up to 20% of totally collected money to yourself and show results of your work.

ANYTHING that is seen as counter to regime's interest is getting squashed.

"The regime" itself is too stupid to have any self-defense ideas or even motivations. It is just a system (and not very complex). Human beings as individuals have their motivations. And one of the main motivation of human beings is self-preservation.

 

[Robert W]

Well, no, again, we didn't offer Hitler negotiation AFTER the fighting started.


So let's look at what Hilter was allowed to get away with.

He remilitarized the Rhineland. That was sovereign German territory, kind of hard to argue with that one.

He unified with Austria (Anschluss). Except most Austrians wanted that union. Austria wasn't really economically viable on its own. (It also wasn't a democracy, having its own form of fascism.)

Then there was Munich. Problem there was two-fold. The Allies didn't want a war. They didn't want Stalin playing a bigger role in Eastern Europe.

I would argue that where the Western Allies screwed up was telling the Polish Colonels to act tough. (Poland also wasn't a democracy at that point, go figure). Instead, Hitler cut a deal with Stalin. But the Allies didn't declare war on the USSR, for some reason. Did you ever wonder why?

I'm not sure if your Hitler Analogy even stands. The better Analogy would be Korea.

North Korea invades South Korea, the US and ROK beat them back, China intervenes, and by the end of a year or so, it locks down into a stalemate.

But it still took another two years to negotiate a ceasefire (Technically, it's still an active war zone).

Obviously, the US could have escalated in an attempt to drive back the Chinese and North Koreans. Reinstitute full conscription, start rationing, and send over thousands of troops instead of the mere Nine divisions we sent. Start strategically bombing China and encourage Chiang Kai-Shek to invade the mainland.

This probably would have brought the USSR into the war and possibly expanded it into Europe, but hey, sometimes those are the breaks. Oh, yeah, and exchanging nukes.

Instead, cooler heads prevailed, and we got a peace treaty that not everyone was happy with, but everyone could live with. The emphasis being on "LIVING".

You appear to be far to educated to be a Democrat. Forget your hate for Mormons, you used to be on the right side.
Too bad a smart guy like you picked to leap into the hateful arms of Democrats.

 

[Zavulon]

He said he was born in Russia.

And some "women" were born as men. But, as a man with amputated penis isn't real woman, but a crippled man, so a Vyrus is a crippled Russian.