Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[AntonToo]

Because that and the Crimea is where most of them live. Duh.

How about actually answering the question - why specifically in Donbass and nowhere else? Why specifically in Donbass cities taken over by seperatists and nowhere else?

Why were ethnic Russians not attacked in Sloviansk after Girkin's goons were knocked out of it?

The answer is obvious dum dum - it wasn't about the ethnicity, it's about the separatism.

 

[JoeB131]

What created that delusion in your mind. Were you honest, you never would have been a Republican since per you, the nation was far better off under Truman than Eisenhower. You are not talking to a child JoeB131. Taxes against the
Rich do not account for overall prosperity. Taxes had been so high thanks to the eagerness of FDR to wage global war.

I'm not talking to a child, I'm talking to a moron.

Actually, you miss the point. We had continuous progress from FDR to LBJ, because Ike was smart enough not to try to dismantle the New Deal. Republicans in the 1950s embraced it. (Although Ike did have THREE recessions on his watch.)

Where it all fell apart was when Ronnie Reagan cut taxes on the rich and started dismantling unions, and we've been in a steady decline ever since.

 

[Robert W]

NATO expansion. Discrimination and abuse of Russians. More than enough.

There is nothing wrong with NATO. Only Bill Clinton claims NATO bombed Kosovo when it was really the USA. But that had nothing to do with
Russia or with Ukraine. Russians claim Ukraine abused ethnic Russians inside of Ukraine, but the facts say differently.

Russia is massive. Ukraine is tiny compared to Russia. Russia sent in an army claiming it was a small mission and yet today Russia is losing oil fields and more to the Ukrainians.

 

[JoeB131]

WTF? Crimea is NOT IN DONBASS.

Crimea was taken over by Russian millitary in Feb 2014, BEFORE the armed conflict began in Donbass in April.


You are posting completely incoherent nonsense.

Sorry, should have been clearer... Most Ethnic Russians lived in Donbas and Crimea.

 

[JoeB131]

Which oddly is what you keep saying here to defend Putin who waged war against Ukraine and there is ample evidence.

Hardly defending Putin to not want to keep throwing good money after bad.

 

[Robert W]

Where it all fell apart was when Ronnie Reagan cut taxes on the rich and started dismantling unions, and we've been in a steady decline ever since.

Joe, again, were Democrats so glorious, no way you would ever have voted for any Republican, and you claim you were a loyal Republican.
Reagan cut taxes for everybody. Sure, since the rich pay about 90 percent of all income taxes, the cuts worked the same, percentage wise the same. Reagan told the
ATC union member not to strike. They are Government workers is why. They defied him and of course after ignoring his warning, they took off and got fired. I am a pilot and was at that time and saw the charade pulled by the ATC for what it was. One of the ATC unions members was my client and he refused to strike and retired well to do.

 

[AntonToo]

Nope. that would be silly. Do I think that the Russian Federation helped organize the separatists? Probably. But the reality is, when the Maidan Coup overthrew Yanukovych, they realized that they were never going to get a fair shake.

It doesn't matter what they "realized". Fact is Ukraine has laws and political process. If you don't like something you don't just get to take up arms and start putting foreign flags on government buildings.

If eastern Ukraine oblasts really wanted to succeed then they would have simply FOLLOWED THE SUCCESSION PROVISIONS IN THE LAW - which is to collect 100,000 signatures for Parlament to organize a Ukrane-wide refferendum to legally allow them to do it.

And btw, what the hell is "fair shake"? Donbass voted FOR EU integration, because thats what Yanukovich ran on, thats what they voted for.

I would say that if Hispanic Americans started feeling they were no longer getting a fair shake in this country, that would be a major ding on our government for failing to include them.

You are NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.

The issue is not someone feeling something, the issue is APROPREATE RESPONSE TO CRIMINAL SEPERATISM.

Federal and state millitary would come over, kill whoever doesn't put down their weapons in El Paso, take back the control and prosecute whoever was involved in this. OBVIOUSLY.

Ukraine simply throwing up their hands and saying "oh yea Russians, since you've showed up with your guns just go ahead, have Ukranian territories" is an insane proposition. No country would do that.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Robert W]

Hardly defending Putin to not want to keep throwing good money after bad.

Freedom is not at all important on your list.
We could have let Russia take full charge of Ukraine. As I said earlier, similar to how Hitler did things in his era.

 

[Litwin]

Well maybe they should

sure, you defiantly can be trusted on this subject!!

Bad news for you:

Thread 'Yet another British MEP on putin´s payroll.'

Nov 28, 2025

And whats amazing is how cheaply the horde buys these Reform Party members - £5000-£6500 . A good step forward, but not enough — Great Britain would have hanged this dirty dog.

• Litwin

 

[Ringo]

November 27, 2013. Ukrainians really want to kill Russians (The crowd shouts, "Hang the russians!", "Whoever doesn't jump is russian!", "One country, one nation, one language!"). This is even before Crimea's return to Russia.
Donbas and Crimea left when these guys seized power. They couldn't stand being treated like that.

You know, most duels, that is, armed conflicts, were rarely motivated by money. Mostly, they were motivated by insults. This gives a rough idea of the attitude of the residents of Crimea and Donbas toward the coup in Kyiv.

Here's another example: neo-nazis came to power in New York City by armed reviolt and declared the swastika the city's official coat of arms and Adolf Hitler an honorary citizen. I think that alone would have been enough to set Brooklyn ablaze even without calls to hang the jews...

 

[Zavulon]

Russian military took over Crimea in Feb 2014.

At that time there was

No talk about NATO (it was unpopular and 2010 law ended Ukranian NATO aspirations)

Of course Ukrainians (most of them) didn't want to join NATO. It was NATO who wanted to take Ukraine and Georgia (and openly declared it in 2007). And that is why NATO countries hired Maidan Neo-Nazies to kill anti-NATO activists.

No descrimination and abuse of Russians. There were even a bunch of RF flags and activists at Maidan because it wasn't at all about ethnicity, it was about people's rights and DIGNITY:

This was from the Tree at Maidan - Love Russians, despise Putin:

Obviously stupid propaganda and lie. They lied and everyone knew it. Just UkroNazies types II and III.

 

[Zavulon]

There is nothing wrong with NATO.

It is anti-Russian military alliance, that support and defend Neo-Nazi regimes in Ukraine and Baltic states, cheered Odessa Massacre, mass-murders in Russian speaking regions, shelling of Donbass, and commited numerous acts of unprovoked aggressions.

Only Bill Clinton claims NATO bombed Kosovo when it was really the USA. But that had nothing to do with
Russia or with Ukraine.

Of course it has a lot to do with Russia. It was an act of illegal and unprovoked aggression in direct and demonstrative violation of post-WWII order and an act of changing borders in Europe by force. Because of it, Russia elected Putin.

Russians claim Ukraine abused ethnic Russians inside of Ukraine, but the facts say differently.

IF you think that the ban of usage of your language is not "abuse", that mass-murders is not abuse, that ban of Ukrainian Orthodox Church is not "abuse", if the stealing property is not abuse.... Ok, there were a lot of wars started for much lesser reasons.

Russia is massive. Ukraine is tiny compared to Russia.

Ukraine was a largest country in Europe before 2022 and even now it is just slightly lesser than France.

Russia sent in an army claiming it was a small mission and yet today Russia is losing oil fields and more to the Ukrainians.

Russia sent in an army, claiming that it was done because of NATO involvement. It would be stupid didn't expect that NATO can be involved. Russia is prepared even to much more serious escalation, like, say, losing up to 50% of population in a nuclear war.

 

[AntonToo]

Of course Ukrainians (most of them) didn't want to join NATO. It was NATO who wanted to take Ukraine and Georgia

Dummy thats not how it works.

 

[Zavulon]

Dummy thats not how it works.

It works exactly that way. No one asked Ukrainians if they want to be members of NATO or Shanghai Block. NATI just hired some Neo-Nazi thugs to overthrown legally elected government.

 

[Deadstick]

Dumbass, Azov didn't even exist until May 2014, a month after Girkin's armed squad started taking over cities in Donbas and putting Russian flags on gov buildings. Their engagement was with SEPARATISTS IN OCCUPIED CITIES, not with people all over Ukraine who simply happen to be of Russian ethnicity

Girkin himself explaned to you the cause of the war

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

You keep being completely unable to understand factual timeline and simple cause and effect.

The basis of your "doubt" is your stupid inability to help yourself to facts.

You are talking bollocks Vlasov boy, the Moscow Times.

 

[beagle9]

NATO expansion. Discrimination and abuse of Russians. More than enough.

One wonders if Putin thought Ukraine was a weak pushover when he went in, and if so that speaks terrible of his intel apparatus and/or fellow official's that should have already briefed him concerning every aspect of that theater before he made his final decision to go in. The adapting of Ukraines military under threat has been an amazing thing to witness over these past 4 years, but Russia's adapting to the battlefield has also been impressive in their learned or adapted responses.

Both sides are paying a heavy price learning the tactics and strategies of a new modern high tech/low tech battlefield, otherwise that has new weapons systems and tactics being deployed in both directions.

What's bad for everyone in the world however, is the education in war and war strategies that is taking place for which is being looked upon with eagle eyes by many, otherwise looking at tactics and strategies that are teaching other's about these very interesting thing's along with the new weapons systems and new strategies involved.

Now every nation is adapting and changing war strategies and weapons systems along with training, and this is because so many new developments and tactics are being studied courtesy of the on going war in Ukraine.

China is probably going to be the biggest studying nation of the war in Ukraine, and it's because China wants to be the biggest and baddest in the world someday, and it wants Taiwan back as well, so it is watching and learning all in hopes to protect and push its expansionism to whatever level it thinks that it needs to push it in order to be top dog in protecting the homeland and interest abroad.

The war in Ukraine could have been stopped by now, but I believe that nation's have lost their ability to be looked upon as respected top negotiators, and especially so when they are dealing with a complete inward cultural melt down caused by the tolerating of to much evil within the United so called Nation's that are grouped together in globalism that is trying not to recognize sovereign borders any longer.

Peacemaker nation's who hoped to be a bright light at the negotiating tables have become failures, and this is because nothing gets done due to infighting. There is the lack of respect and integrity involved in the negotiating process also, otherwise whenever nations attempt to give it a go at trying to deliever peace once again in the world.

Example - Biden and his administration used a "weapons arming" idea to help out Ukraine. Why ? Because it new that it had no negotiating cards to bring to a table in the form of getting respect by having a neutrality plan for peace that would be workable while having a back up plan just as well.

TRUMP on the other hand is trying to pick up the pieces in order to come at it again in hopes to convince the two sides to stop, but the rift between the UK, the leftist/wokies and Trump is undermining the possibilities before anything gets done sadly enough.

Nation's at war will probably have to work things out on their own it seems, because respect of persons is no where to be found anymore these days.

Send Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine.

For what ?... It's over for Ukraine at this point right (?)

Why ? Because if it takes Russia every last resource and manpower that it has in order to win this thing now, then Putin and Russia are probably willing to go for it at this point.

The nukes for tactical use is probably his back up plan if all else fails, so if one keeps stomping on the bears tail while it's trying to eat, then one might finally get the reaction they didn't think possible in that theater.

Just observations and opinions based upon what I watch on the news is all. I can be corrected anytime.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe, again, were Democrats so glorious, no way you would ever have voted for any Republican, and you claim you were a loyal Republican.

Well, here's the thing. My first three elections, I was associated with the miitary, and Reagan and Poppy Bush were good for the military.

1992, I was done with service and really didn't care for Poppy Bush at that point, but Clinton was a sleaze and Perot was nuts.

It wasn't until 2008 I realized how fucked up the GOP was.

The final straw for me was when the GOP nominated Romney. Which is ironic, since they all hate Romney now.

Reagan cut taxes for everybody. Sure, since the rich pay about 90 percent of all income taxes, the cuts worked the same, percentage wise the same. Reagan told the

Um, you missed what happened. Reagan cut taxes on the rich and then jack them up on the Middle Class with his Social Security and Tax reform in the mid-80s.

That warm stuff you feel isn't trickling down.

Reagan told the
ATC union member not to strike. They are Government workers is why. They defied him and of course after ignoring his warning, they took off and got fired. I am a pilot and was at that time and saw the charade pulled by the ATC for what it was. One of the ATC unions members was my client and he refused to strike and retired well to do.

So your friend was a scab? That's nothing to be proud of. Reagan gave the signal that

Freedom is not at all important on your list.
We could have let Russia take full charge of Ukraine. As I said earlier, similar to how Hitler did things in his era.

Um, Ukraine isn't a free country. The Comedian is a petty dictator doing the bidding of the EU. They cancelled elections, deposed officials who disagree with the government, closed down oppossition press, parties and even churches.

 

[JoeB131]

It doesn't matter what they "realized". Fact is Ukraine has laws and political process. If you don't like something you don't just get to take up arms and start putting foreign flags on government buildings.

Where in the law and political process does it say, "Overthrow the President if he doesn't agree to be the EU's *****"?

If eastern Ukraine oblasts really wanted to succeed then they would have simply FOLLOWED THE SUCCESSION PROVISIONS IN THE LAW - which is to collect 100,000 signatures for Parlament to organize a Ukrane-wide refferendum to legally allow them to do it.

And btw, what the hell is "fair shake"? Donbass voted FOR EU integration, because thats what Yanukovich ran on, thats what they voted for.

They voted for a guy would be a tough negotiator. The EU, being the EU, said they wouldn't step up to provide assistance, but they would DEMAND Ukraine let them run their economy. Because, hey, look how well that turned out for Greece!

When Yanukovych got a better deal from Russia, the EU and Obama started instigating revolt.

You are NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.

The issue is not someone feeling something, the issue is APROPREATE RESPONSE TO CRIMINAL SEPERATISM.

Federal and state millitary would come over, kill whoever doesn't put down their weapons in El Paso, take back the control and prosecute whoever was involved in this. OBVIOUSLY.

Ukraine simply throwing up their hands and saying "oh yea Russians, since you've showed up with your guns just go ahead, have Ukranian territories" is an insane proposition. No country would do that.

Given we are probably 10 years from a second civil war in this country, we'll see.

So the Comedian did what you said, and then acted all surprised when Putin did what he said he would do if he tried it.

 

[Robert W]

It is anti-Russian military alliance, that support and defend Neo-Nazi regimes in Ukraine and Baltic states, cheered Odessa Massacre, mass-murders in Russian speaking regions, shelling of Donbass, and commited numerous acts of unprovoked aggressions.


Of course it has a lot to do with Russia. It was an act of illegal and unprovoked aggression in direct and demonstrative violation of post-WWII order and an act of changing borders in Europe by force. Because of it, Russia elected Putin.


IF you think that the ban of usage of your language is not "abuse", that mass-murders is not abuse, that ban of Ukrainian Orthodox Church is not "abuse", if the stealing property is not abuse.... Ok, there were a lot of wars started for much lesser reasons.


Ukraine was a largest country in Europe before 2022 and even now it is just slightly lesser than France.


Russia sent in an army, claiming that it was done because of NATO involvement. It would be stupid didn't expect that NATO can be involved. Russia is prepared even to much more serious escalation, like, say, losing up to 50% of population in a nuclear war.

Nato membership is a right had by Ukraine I am sick of this excuse favoring Putin.