Russia threatens to attack new US base in Poland as ‘priority target’

[Mushroom]

Mostly because Black Sea is a pond that is totally controlled by the Russian land based anti-ship cruise missiles.

Gee, and how many ships has Russia lost in the Black Sea recently? Seems to me they have lost well over a dozen ships in the last two years. One of them the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva.

Care to tell us again how they "control the Black Sea"? Maybe if you count the number of ships of theirs that have been sunk as submarines.

 

[Ringo]

“We consider ourselves entitled to use our weapons against the military facilities of those countries that allow their weapons to be used against our facilities. We would also ask you to take into account that there is no counter to our most advanced hypersonic weapons in the world today” - Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN.

In short, We warned you, but you have made your choice....

 

[AlexanderPK]

If NATO was attacking Russia instead of offering Ukraine some fairly minimal support, You'd see the 82'nd Airborne and 101st Airmobile dropping into Sevastopol while the British 7th Armored Division, the US 1st Armored and 1st Cavalry divisions supported by the US 1st, 3rd, 4th and 7th Mechanized Infantry Divisions accompanied by about thirty French armored and armored infantry regiments crossing from Ukraine and the Polish 1st Legions Infantry division, the Polish 11th Armored Cavalry Division, the Polish 12th Mechanized Division, the Polish 16th Mechanized Division and the Polish 18th Mechanized Division supported by the US 10th Mountain Division coming out of Poland and various odds and sods from Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and the Baltics coming out of Sweden and Finland plus a bunch of odds and sods coming out of the Balkans. You'd be fighting a FOUR FRONT WAR against opponents with superior numbers, superior equipment and a coherent strategy. Not to mention the US Pacific Fleet attacking Vladivostok and landing US Marines there as occupiers.
Russia would fold like a wet Kleenex against that kind of force.

Saw the "SG-1" the other day. Americans won again as usual. You're right, Americans are awesome.

 

[AlexanderPK]

You finally said something true "they were forced once they can be forced again". That is the foreign policy that you support. Might makes right.

Isn't that the same policy you telling about in your si-fi dreams?

 

[JohnDB]

 

[gipper]

Gee, and how many ships has Russia lost in the Black Sea recently? Seems to me they have lost well over a dozen ships in the last two years. One of them the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva.

Care to tell us again how they "control the Black Sea"? Maybe if you count the number of ships of theirs that have been sunk as submarines.

Did you read his post? Surface ships aren’t the only weapons Russia possesses that can control the Black Sea. Missile bases and military aircraft exist. Surely you know this.

 

[Zavulon]

Gee, and how many ships has Russia lost in the Black Sea recently? Seems to me they have lost well over a dozen ships in the last two years. One of them the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva.

So what? Ukraine had lost all her ships.

Care to tell us again how they "control the Black Sea"? Maybe if you count the number of ships of theirs that have been sunk as submarines.

It's not XIX and nor even XX century. One doesnt need to abordage every single ship to control the sea. Russia has missiles, unmanned vehicles and airplanes to sink a lot of US ships of invasion fleet. And your inability to understand that the world is changing (as well as why it is changing and how it is changing) - is just another reason why you'll be defeated.

 

[Deadstick]

Yes, but it is Russia that is the one unable to let go. And repeatedly attacking other nations that they are pissed they can no longer order around.

What utter bollocks, at the end of the Soviet Union they didn't change the rules the West Did, that started with the illegal attack on Yugoslavia and NATO moving closer to Russia, the Russians have been too busy rebuilding the Country after that clown Yeltsin almost destroyed Russia,and what other nations have they attacked? it's NATO that has attacked other Countries.

 

[Deadstick]

And the Marines taking Novorossiysk.

Hell, you might even see Japan deciding enough is enough and retaking the Kuril Islands. Hell, the US occupation of Japan ended over 72 years ago, but Russia still occupies part of their country to this day.

That's what happens when you lose a War and the Japs lost, as far as i know there are still US bases in Japan.

 

[Deadstick]

There is a Russian proverb: It is difficult to pick up your knocked out teeth from the floor when you arms and spine are broken.

You won't be able to send all those forces in Russia when most of your ports and aibases are already nuked.

I like that proverb

 

[Deadstick]

And the Marines taking Novorossiysk.

Hell, you might even see Japan deciding enough is enough and retaking the Kuril Islands. Hell, the US occupation of Japan ended over 72 years ago, but Russia still occupies part of their country to this day.

You sound like the kind of deluded nutter that wants another Barbarossa, well Napoleon had his balls frozen in Moscow and Hitler tried it and it didn't end well, you are not just deluded you sound totally unhinged.

 

[Deadstick]

Bla-bla-bla. In the real war most of your B-52 and B-2A will be destroyed on their bases, before they even try to take off.

They didn't do very well against Vietnamese, B-52 wreckage was all over Vietnam and it was just old S-200 missiles that brought them down.

 

[Ringo]

The next war in Europe will be a war between Russia and fascism, only this fascism the western world will call democracy. (c) Fidel Castro.

 

[Deadstick]

The next war in Europe will be a war between Russia and fascism, only this fascism the western world will call democracy. (c) Fidel Castro.

He was so right because they have totally corrupted and abused the word democracy.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Bla-bla-bla. In the real war most of your B-52 and B-2A will be destroyed on their bases, before they even try to take off.

Missiles have to fly to their targets, they don't teleport. American aircraft and missiles will have plenty of time to launch before the pitiful remnant of any Russian strike nears our airspace.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Isn't that the same policy you telling about in your si-fi dreams?

Nope, the USA hasn't forced anyone to join NATO. All the Eastern European and ex-SSRs have come begging to NATO for protection from YOU.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They didn't do very well against Vietnamese, B-52 wreckage was all over Vietnam and it was just old S-200 missiles that brought them down.

The S-200s were state of the art at the time and it took dozens of them to kill each of the B-52s that were dropping gravity bombs. B-52s now stay hundreds of miles away from hostile airspace and are far more deadly. They don't even come into range of Russian fighters to kill targets. Oh and since you brought it up, those missiles were Russian and being operated by Russian crews. By the standards you are claiming here that gave the USA the right to attack Russia.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Missiles have to fly to their targets, they don't teleport. American aircraft and missiles will have plenty of time to launch before the pitiful remnant of any Russian strike sears out airspace.

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[Mushroom]

it was just old S-200 missiles that brought them down.

"Old"? You are aware that was a brand new state of the art system at that time, right? Oh, and it was not in Vietnam, the Soviets at that time were not exporting that system.

However, once again you simply prove you do not actually know what you are talking about, and simply making crap up in the hopes that somebody will believe your coprolite without checking it. Because the system used in Vietnam was not the S-200, but the SA-2. And it was a highly capable system, being the same one that shot down a U-2 in 1960.

You know, you really need to stop simply making things up. Because that really reinforces the fact that you do not have a clue about what you are talking about.

 

[Mushroom]

The S-200s were state of the art at the time and it took dozens of them to kill each of the B-52s that were dropping gravity bombs. B-52s now stay hundreds of miles away from hostile airspace and are far more deadly. They don't even come into range of Russian fighters to kill targets. Oh and since you brought it up, those missiles were Russian and being operated by Russian crews. By the standards you are claiming here that gave the USA the right to attack Russia.

The funny thing is, North Vietnam and later Vietnam never used the S-200 system. In fact, it was only in the last few decades that any nations outside of the Warsaw Pact even had them. It was the state of the art system of the Soviets and Russia, and as such they were very reluctant to export that system. Which is actually not unusual, as the US also often holds back their best equipment for domestic use only.

But the very fact he could not even bothered to do a lick of research and say it was the S-200 and not the SA-2 GUIDELINE shows how he is mostly just making things up as he goes along.

And the SA-2 is still a rather potent air defense system even today. Over a dozen nations still use it as it is exceptionally fast and has a long range (it was the missile that shot down the U-2 in 1960). And some nations like Iran and China have adapted them into actual ballistic missiles to attack land targets.