Russia threatens to attack new US base in Poland as ‘priority target’

[Mushroom]

50 000 of the french died under American bombs during their liberation from the Nazis.

In case you missed it, I am talking about 1939.

 

[Mushroom]

Yes. But, some people believe that Ukraine is a state

You mean like Russia?

Ukraine and the Russian Federation, hereinafter referred to as the “High Contracting Parties”, Guided by the historically close ties and relations of friendship and cooperation between the peoples of Ukraine and Russia, Noting that the Treaty between the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic of 19 November 1990 has contributed to the development of good-neighbourly relations between the two States,

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52240.pdf

You are aware that Ukraine was a former member and founder of the Commonwealth of Independent States, right? However, after the first Russian invasion they withdrew and no longer take part. So you are trying to claim it is not a state, when it was one of the founding members of the CIS?

 

[Ringo]

In case you missed it, I am talking about 1939.

You talking garbage.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I should start a “Ungrateful Pigs” section here.

A reminder of the role of the Red Army in the liberation of Warsaw has caused serious discontent among the Polish authorities. At the 4th round match of the group phase of the Conference League, in which Legia Warsaw defeated Omonia Nicosia 3-0, Cypriot fans unfurled a banner reading “The Red Army liberated Warsaw”.

Poland's Institute of National Remembrance (INR) reacted with a special statement on Friday. The document emphasizes that symbols of Soviet oppression are unacceptable in Poland's public space, and the propaganda of communist symbols is prohibited by law in the country.

600,000 Red Army soldiers died on Polish territory during its liberation from the german Nazis.

You should read history, the Red Army sat on its hands until the Nazi's killed off the Polish Freedom Army and the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. That's after promising to support both groups. The Red Army soldiers died CONQUERING Poland a second time in four years, not liberating it. Stalin reneged on his promise made at Teheran to have free and open elections in Poland and the other Eastern European countries after the defeat of Germany. He even imprisoned the Free Polish Government that had been fighting alongside the Allies when they went home after the war.

 

[Ringo]

You should read history, the Red Army sat on its hands until the Nazi's killed off the Polish Freedom Army and the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. That's after promising to support both groups. The Red Army soldiers died CONQUERING Poland a second time in four years, not liberating it. Stalin reneged on his promise made at Teheran to have free and open elections in Poland and the other Eastern European countries after the defeat of Germany. He even imprisoned the Free Polish Government that had been fighting alongside the Allies when they went home after the war.

You are so dumb on this subject that it costs too much effort to educate you. I can do it, but only for money. Just $50 will cost you a full coverage of the events of that time without the involvement of Dr. Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You are so dumb on this subject that it costs too much effort to educate you. I can do it, but only for money. Just $50 will cost you a full coverage of the events of that time without the involvement of Dr. Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda.

It's easy to tell when the standard issue troll handbook talking points have been exhausted ^^

 

[Mushroom]

You talking garbage.

What, the Soviet Union did not invade Poland in 1939? Is that what you are trying to say?

 

[Mushroom]

It's easy to tell when the standard issue troll handbook talking points have been exhausted ^^

That is actually rather typical of any kind of zealot. When they confront facts they can not dispute, they simply resort to personal attacks.

The Pro-Russian and Anti-Russian zealots are actually the same in this, which is why I laugh at both of them. Ringo and Snitwin are just two different sides of the same coin.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You are so dumb on this subject that it costs too much effort to educate you. I can do it, but only for money. Just $50 will cost you a full coverage of the events of that time without the involvement of Dr. Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda.

You are a paid propagandist for Putin. Hundreds of real history books tell the same story in every free country in the world. Only those in Russia tell your fictional account of events. Stalin broke every agreement that he made with the Western Allies (WAllies) with the exception of one or two that favored him like invading Manchuria and China AFTER we had dropped nukes and defeated Japan. Stalin demanded that the WAllies not accept the Japanese surrender until he had time to move his forces from Europe into China. He even kept his forces fighting the Japanese and conquering more territory for two weeks QFTER the surrender was signed, conquering millions of square miles of territory that he gave to Mao rather than the official Chinese government that was part of the Allies.

 

[Zavulon]

People like Russia's entire leadership, when they were signing treaties with Ukraine .

Signing the treaties with somebody doesn't necessarily means that those who sign them really believe that another side represents a government of a real state.

Treaties they broke, in invading Ukraine twice.

After American invasion in Serbia and Iraq and NATO's expansion.

Kinda takes the "shine" off the idea of Ukraine signing another treaty with Russia.

Yes. Nobody is going to sign a treaty with Ukraine. And all treaties with NATO about weapon-control in Europe are useless without actual withdrawal of American military infrastructure back to 1997 border.

 

[Zavulon]

What, the Soviet Union did not invade Poland in 1939?

Yes. First - Russia liberated and protected Western Ukraine and Western Belarus when Polish stayed cheased its existence. Second - Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact was cancelled by Poland when they attacked Czechoslovakia.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Signing the treaties with somebody doesn't necessarily means that those who sign them really believe that another side represents a government of a real state.

That's precisely what it meant, with the treaty of which we speak.

In fact, it was explicitly stated in the treaty that Russia recognize Ukraine as a State and respect its borders and sovereignty.

You don't know what you are talking about. Everything you say is an ad hoc response that derives not from any facts or reasoned argument, but from reflexive, mindless contrarianism.

Your behavior is what being both dead wrong and abjectly ignorant looks like.

 

[Zavulon]

You mean like Russia?

No. In most of Slavic languages Borderlands (Ukraine) is not a state, its a territory.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52240.pdf

You are aware that Ukraine was a former member and founder of the Commonwealth of Independent States, right? However, after the first Russian invasion they withdrew and no longer take part. So you are trying to claim it is not a state, when it was one of the founding members of the CIS?

Yes. There was an attempt to build that state. But, as a human being can live without, say, a leg (and Russia can survive without Ukraine), the leg can't live without the body. It will die and rotten pretty soon. In 2014 there was an attempt to cut off Ukraine from Russia. Almost successful attempt. But only "almost".

 

[Mushroom]

Second - Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact was cancelled by Poland when they attacked Czechoslovakia.

No, it did not. Gee, historical facts are so hard for you all, just as hard as research is.

The pact was signed in 1932. It was for three years, but then in 1934 extended until 1945. It was never cancelled by either side, and was in full effect when the Soviets invaded in 1939.

And that makes even less sense when one knows that the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Poland was back in 1919.

So what exactly are you saying, that Poland cancelled the treaty 15 years before it was even made?

 

[Mushroom]

No. In most of Slavic languages Borderlands (Ukraine) is not a state, its a territory.


Yes. There was an attempt to build that state. But, as a human being can live without, say, a leg (and Russia can survive without Ukraine), the leg can't live without the body. It will die and rotten pretty soon. In 2014 there was an attempt to cut off Ukraine from Russia. Almost successful attempt. But only "almost".

Russia declared it was a state in 1992. Anything else is simply coprolite and nonsensical propaganda.

 

[Zavulon]

That's precisely what it meant, with the treaty of which we speak.

There are political declarations and there are real understanding. You may say that you recognise existence of 48 genders or that you recognise independence of Kosovo.
But even your politicians do understand that there are only two biological genders and the Kosovo is nothing but a NATO-controlled terroristic enclave.

In fact, it was explicitly stated in the treaty that Russia recognize Ukraine as a State and respect its borders and sovereignty

Yes. And if we are talking about the letter of the laws and treaties Russia followed them. Russia recognised independence of Ukraine in 1991, in 2014 Russia recognised independence of Crimean Republic, in 2022 Russia recognised independence of DPR and LPR and later of Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts.
We respect will of those people.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Everything you say is an ad hoc response that derives not from any facts or reasoned argument, but from reflexive, mindless contrarianism.

Your behavior is what being both dead wrong and abjectly ignorant looks like.

Of course I know much more about the subject of our discussion than you do. My mirroring is just a way to keep our small-talk in plain, mutually acceptable and understandable way. I just show how both wrong and ignorat you are.

 

[Zavulon]

No, it did not. Gee, historical facts are so hard for you all, just as hard as research is.

The pact was signed in 1932. It was for three years, but then in 1934 extended until 1945. It was never cancelled by either side, and was in full effect when the Soviets invaded in 1939.

Of course no. Poland cancelled that treaty by their invasion in Czechoslovakia. Not by saying words or writing notes but by the very fact if the said invasion.

And that makes even less sense when one knows that the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Poland was back in 1919.

So what exactly are you saying, that Poland cancelled the treaty 15 years before it was even made?

No. Poland cancelled that treaty in 1938.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia declared it was a state in 1992.

Russia recognised independence of Ukraine in 1991. And then Russia recognised independence of Crimea and other Russian regions.

 

[Mushroom]

Poland cancelled that treaty by their invasion in Czechoslovakia.

They did? Please give us a reference where that was done. And how an attack on one nation decades before the treaty was even signed affects that one.

You are aware you are doing what is known as "talking out your arse", right? The invasion you are talking about happened over a decade before that treaty was even signed.

 

[Mushroom]

Russia recognised independence of Ukraine in 1991. And then Russia recognised independence of Crimea and other Russian regions.

But wait, did you not just say they are not really an independent nation at all?

Once again, talking out both sides of your arse.