Russia Reveals What Putin Asked of Biden

[Donald H]

I believe that Putin does not want the whole of Ukraine.
He wants everything east of the Dnieper River where most pro-Russian Ukrainians live while giving him enough of a defensive buffer against any future NATO aggressive aspirations.

Right that he doesn't want the whole Ukraine, and I would say that he doesn't even want a part of it.
He wants the security of the Ukraine being a non-Nato country that rests up against his border.

Are you aware that the Russians were doublecrossed by America's agreement on no further expansion toward Russia's borders by Nato?

It was verbal and so the US maintains that it can reneg because it wasn't in writing. That's only US making up rules for the game and Russia not accepting those rules. Russia/Putin are resolute that the rules apply to the verbal agreement.
It's just the facts!

 

[B. Kidd]

Maybe...we will see I guess....I'm sure that is what Biden and Obama thought in 2014 about the coast of Crimea....

They were playing checkers. Putin needed a warm water port.

 

[Rambunctious]

They were playing checkers. Putin needed a warm water port.

You've heard the old saying...give an inch and they will take a mile...

 

[Concerned American]

giving him enough of a defensive buffer against any future NATO aggressive aspirations.

Please refresh my memory--I don't recall ANY aggressive NATO actions. I can think of many coming from the other direction though.

 

[Concerned American]

They were playing checkers. Putin needed a warm water port.

BINGO, We have a winner. Too bad it can be bottled up at the Bosporus, and again at Gibralter or at the Suez Canal.

 

[Donald H]

Maybe...we will see I guess....I'm sure that is what Biden and Obama thought in 2014 about the coast of Crimea....

Understand that there was no way Russia/Putin could allow their loss of the Crimea. The US/Nato should have understood that by gambled a bridge too far. Hopefully everybody understands why Russia could never give up the Crimea?

And fwiw, it happened to look legit for Russia because of the choice of the people of the area. In real life, a far cry from US expansion and colonialism since ww2!

 

[B. Kidd]

You've heard the old saying...give an inch and they will take a mile...

All of my ancestors are from the east Ukraine!
What we say is leave no Cossack behind!!
We also say, "We take what we need"!!!

 

[Donald H]

You've heard the old saying...give an inch and they will take a mile...

That's stupid and it doesn't apply to the Crimea.

 

[B. Kidd]

Please refresh my memory--I don't recall ANY aggressive NATO actions. I can think of many coming from the other direction though.

May, 1999.
NATO bombing campaign in Yugoslavia.
U.N. Security Council did not give it approval!

Next question.

 

[Donald H]

Are you this retarded in person, too?

I think you could be a much better contribution to the rational side by not hooking into the far side's spamming. Check out how I've driven Concerned the pissant to mentald meltdown.
Just an idea! Keep on keeping on!

 

[budboomer]

I'm sure Putin had trouble keeping a straight face while he tries to talk to this cognitively challenged bag of oatmeal.

 

[Donald H]

I'm sure Putin had trouble keeping a straight face while he tries to talk to this cognitively challenged bag of oatmeal.

You should be pretty confident that very important foreign policy is above this president's pay grade. Same for the last one.

I highly suspect that any president from now on will be very aware of his/her chances of contracting lead poisoning if he/she appears to be on the edge of messing up big time.

Democracies don't elect the cream of the crop in intelligence for their leaders.

 

[Concerned American]

US expansion and colonialism since ww2!

Where is that duck? Please show me where the US has colonized anyone since WWII. We have bases on foreign soil--that we pay handsomely for. We have granted statehood for two US territories with their consent. Now get your fucked up Sino-Russian Canuck nose back on your face and out of OUR fucking business.

 

[Concerned American]

contracting lead poisoning

Is that a veiled threat of violence against the leader of the free world, duck? Better watch your ass, Trudeau may be watching.

 

[Seymour Flops]

My preferred response from Biden would have been, "NATO? Are we still in cahoots with those deadbeats? Protect Ukraine? Why, is there a kiddie porn shortage or something?"

No more U.S. lives and treasure need be spent saving the Europeans from themselves. Europeans are like farm animals. Usually, they chew their cud contentedly and happily live in their own feces. But once in a while they go feral.

Let France step up to the plate this time.

 

[Concerned American]

May, 1999.
NATO bombing campaign in Yugoslavia.
U.N. Security Council did not give it approval!

Next question.

I had forgotten about that, my apologies. I did not agree with that one either. It was more "one world order" expansionism. I also didn't agree with the aggression in Somalia either.

 

[Concerned American]

I think you could be a much better contribution to the rational side by not hooking into the far side's spamming. Check out how I've driven Concerned the pissant to mentald meltdown.
Just an idea! Keep on keeping on!

Yeah, you haven't driven me anywhere, duck. Keep on patting yourself on the back, hopefully you'll choke.

 

[Donald H]

My preferred response from Biden would have been, "NATO? Are we still in cahoots with those deadbeats? Protect Ukraine? Why, is there a kiddie porn shortage or something?"

No more U.S. lives and treasure need be spent saving the Europeans from themselves. Europeans are like farm animals. Usually, they chew their cud contentedly and happily live in their own feces. But once in a while they go feral.

Let France step up to the plate this time.

You're really missing all the right talking points Seemore. America is involved and will continue to involved throughout the world for the modern version of colonialism. America invaded, gains control of the victim country's resources, and then protects it's right to those resources with it's military. Didn't the Iraq story make it obvious. Who is so dense to still be believing in those missing WMD's?

Do you think Nato members share with the US in the spoils of war?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ukraine joining NATO at this point would be like buying insurance AFTER your accident.

Uh, not really,since Ukraine actually exists.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Putin is testing America's commitment to NATO and its commitment to opposing him. Putin does not fear invasion from NATO, because it is not a realistic thing to fear. Everyone on the planet understands his demand is a ruse. And Putin understands that the whole world knows this, outside of those whose minds are addled by his propaganda. Putin is asking for something that cannot and will not be done, as Putin will make SURE it cannot be done by building up offensive forces of his own on its western borders.

Putin makes this impossible farce of a demand at a summit now so that he can hide behind the narrative of the "western aggression", when he undertakes his own aggression.