Russia Planning Massive Military Offensive Against Ukraine Involving 175,000 Troops, U.S. Intelligence Warns

[skye]

Sorry. Ukraine ain't a NATO club member.
Russia, as a sovereign country to, has a right to protect their eastern flank which they are rightfully sensitive about since Operation Barbarossa in WWII.

Exactly right!

 

[lantern2814]

Your pathetic whataboutism won't help you. It doesn't erase facts about Trump.

And you forgot to post your suggestion for what Obama should have done. But you wouldnt be a dishonest little puke and not actually have one, after the above comments.

So, go ahead and state it. This should be good.

YOUR pathetic whataboutism doesn’t erase the disaster that Xiden orchestrated in Afghanistan resulting in 13 dead Americans. Which made Xiden check his watch. Now what should Xiden have done to prevent those deaths and get the thousands of Americans still there out safely? Go ahead Sparky. This should be good for a laugh....

 

[struth]

Your pathetic whataboutism won't help you. It doesn't erase facts about Trump.

And you forgot to post your suggestion for what Obama should have done. But you wouldnt be a dishonest little puke and not actually have one, after the above comments.

So, go ahead and state it. This should be good.

what facts about trump? you’ve stated none?

Russia is in eastern europe because obama and xiden were more flexible with putin

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Gallipoli was in World War I, dumbass! Go read a history book!

Winston Churchill was the brains behind Gallipoli, dumbass, YOU read a history book.

Winston Churchill’s World War Disaster | HISTORY

A quarter-century before boldly leading Britain in World War II, Winston Churchill spearheaded a World War I military debacle—Gallipoli.

www.history.com

He is best known for his role in WWII, But he was also involved in WWI and the Cold War, where he famously coined the term, "Iron Curtain".

 

[jknowgood]

He left the equipment for the Afghans and then did nothing to prevent the Taliban from overrunning the country in a matter of days.

He knew months in advance that the Taliban would take over. Still let it happen, even a 10 year old would know better. That goes back to what we are dealing with.

 

[Ivan88]

America and Europe are under Divine Judgement for their love of murdering babies, and for trying to murder their mother, Syria, the mother of Christianity, Western Civilization and the Syro Aryan European Christian Israel peoples.

That is not honoring their mother, and is causing them to have a shortened life.
Russia has been helping Syria, so Russia is not under the same Judgement, even though they have wrong things there too.
But they have been under nuclear blackmail from USA and it's idol, the Israelis who are not the real Israel, but are Edomites, Khazars etc.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He knew months in advance that the Taliban would take over. Still let it happen, even a 10 year old would know better. That goes back to what we are dealing with.

Agreed. That just wasn't the plan.

 

[Claudette]

Confederate Soldier
I agree. If not for the US, Europe would belong to Germany. The only time they like the US is if they need money or they need someone to shed blood for them.

They all have armies. Let them take care of their own. We Americans have shed more than enough blood for Europe. Fuck em.

 

[bendog]

Exactly right!

Germany's gonna attack

 

[bendog]

Putin is trying to re-establish the Soviet Union. He won't stop at the Ukraine.

Exactly. But Putin is a Russian nationalist (which is why Trump admired him). We Americans tend to egotistical and think everything is about us. And of course much touches upon us since, despite our efforts over the past 20 years or so, we are still the "greatest power."

But I wonder how much of this is about the twilight of Merkle and Germany and Western europe. Merkle had backbone, but detested military solutions. Now Western europe has no cohesive military, or maybe even economy. And of course Trump weakened our ability to influence Western europe. France, the Brexit UK and Germany are all focused internally on their own divisions ... as are we .. which was Putin's goal in supporting Brexit and Trump.

For Americans, we tend to view external events in europe beginning around 1916, excluding events that brought most of our ancestors here. But Russia's expansion began around 1400 and continued thought Peter the Great to around 1790, which is when Our Story began.

Map of Russia in Europe 1300-1796

www.emersonkent.com

We still focus on communism, and Russia is NOT a market economy. They are a gas station with nuclear arms (Merkle).

Russia's expansion ceased with market economies, and the rise of Bismarck and industrial Germany, and England's becoming the "master of the universe."

"After the fall of Communism in 1991, scholars and the general public in Russia and the West gave fresh attention to Peter and his role in Russian history. His reign is now seen as the decisive formative event in the Russian imperial past. Many new ideas have merged, such as whether he strengthened the autocratic state or whether the tsarist regime was not statist enough given its small bureaucracy.[53] Modernization models have become contested ground.[54] Historian Ia. Vodarsky said in 1993 that Peter, "did not lead the country on the path of accelerated economic, political and social development, did not force it to 'achieve a leap' through several stages.... On the contrary, these actions to the greatest degree put a brake on Russia's progress and created conditions for holding it back for one and a half centuries!" [55] The autocratic powers that Stalin admired appeared as a liability to Evgeny Anisimov, who complained that Peter was, "the creator of the administrative command system and the true ancestor of Stalin."[56]

While the cultural turn in historiography has downplayed diplomatic, economic and constitutional issues, new cultural roles have been found for Peter, for example in architecture and dress. James Cracraft argues:

The Petrine revolution in Russia—subsuming in this phrase the many military, naval, governmental, educational, architectural, linguistic, and other internal reforms enacted by Peter’s regime to promote Russia’s rise as a major European power—was essentially a cultural revolution, one that profoundly impacted both the basic constitution of the Russian Empire and, perforce, its subsequent development.[57]"

Peter the Great - Wikipedia (Legacy section)

A few years back, my church reading group was reading Master and Margareta, after the newly full version was published. Two Russian couples joined in for a few weeks, and I think they had difficulty expanding our horizons beyond communism and economics.

Setting aside Trump and his world view (assuming he has one beyond his own venal interests), Reagan and all US presidents from Wilson on viewed war as the result of social forces not allowing for free market expansion. And after WWII we imposed that view on western Europe and Asia. But Putin, imo, views territorial expansion as part of a cultural revolution. Whether people's material benefits or personal freedoms is immaterial.

Russia seeks to dominate socially and we seek to dominate economically. Reagan put it "we won, you lost." But Putin plays a longer game, imo. I'm not sure whether his motivation is the benefit of people and their freedom or simply the benefit of the East Slavic tribes or Rus people.

 

[theHawk]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

As tensions mount between Washington and Moscow over a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine, U.S. intelligence has found the Kremlin is planning a multi-front offensive as soon as early next year involving up to 175,000 troops, according to U.S. officials and an intelligence document obtained by The Washington Post.

The Kremlin has been moving troops toward the border with Ukraine while demanding Washington guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO and that the alliance will refrain from certain military activities in and around Ukrainian territory. The crisis has provoked fears of a renewed war on European soil and comes ahead of a planned virtual meeting next week between President Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“The Russian plans call for a military offensive against Ukraine as soon as early 2022 with a scale of forces twice what we saw this past spring during Russia’s snap exercise near Ukraine’s borders,” said an administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information. “The plans involve extensive movement of 100 battalion tactical groups with an estimated 175,000 personnel, along with armor, artillery and equipment.”

[snip]

While laying the groundwork for an invasion, the Russian government has also been waging a propaganda campaign, the U.S. administration official said.

“Additionally, in the past month, our information indicates Russian influence proxies and media outlets have started to increase content denigrating Ukraine and NATO, in part to pin the blame for a potential Russian military escalation on Ukraine,” the official said.
“Recent information also indicates that Russian officials proposed adjusting Russia’s information operations against Ukraine to emphasize the narrative that Ukrainian leaders had been installed by the West, harbored a hatred for the ‘Russian world,’ and were acting against the interests of the Ukrainian people.”

In his comments in Latvia, Blinken cautioned the Ukrainians not to give Russia a pretext for military action.
“We’re also urging Ukraine to continue to exercise restraint because, again, the Russian playbook is to claim provocation for something that they were planning to do all along,” he said.

Putin has demanded the United States and its allies provide signed assurances excluding any expansion of NATO to include Ukraine and Georgia and limiting military activity near Russia’s borders, most notably in and around Ukraine.

[snip]

White House press secretary Jen Psaki rejected out of hand the idea that Washington would provide a guarantee that Ukraine will not enter NATO.
“NATO member countries decide who is a member of NATO, not Russia,” Psaki told reporters during a White House briefing Friday.


Fuck Putin. In a head-to-head contest, we'd kick his ass.

In other words Biden is giving Russia the green light to invade if they want.

Biden needs this to keep the white Russia boogeyman alive. Publicly he and the MSM will denounce it and throw fits, but he clearly needs something to distract from his failed domestic and foreign policies for the coming elections.

 

[theHawk]

Putin relies on useful idiots like you to weaken the world's resolve to stand against him.

Putin needs idiots like Joe Biden in the White House to allow him to do whatever he wants. He didn’t do this stuff under President Trump, only during Obama and Biden.

 

[theHawk]

Putin is trying to re-establish the Soviet Union. He won't stop at the Ukraine.

If Putin was doing that, you communists would all be supporting him.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He left the equipment for the Afghans and then did nothing to prevent the Taliban from overrunning the country in a matter of days.

Per Trump's agreement. Did you not know this?

 

[Siberian]

lol, those alleged 175 000 occupy area in Russia bigger than medium European country

there are permanent Russian bases there, minimum a couple of hundreds km from Ukrainian border, but the US makes a fuss presenting it as some sudden concentration...

instead, Ukraine concentrates 120000 troops to attack Donbass and all this hysteria in Western press is aimed to prevent Russian response to Ukrainian agression.

 

[dudmuck]

If Putin was doing that, you communists would all be supporting him.

who's supporting Putin?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

lol, those alleged 175 000 occupy area in Russia bigger than medium European country

there are permanent Russian bases there, minimum a couple of hundreds km from Ukrainian border, but the US makes a fuss presenting it as some sudden concentration...

instead, Ukraine concentrates 120000 troops to attack Donbass and all this hysteria in Western press is aimed to prevent Russian response to Ukrainian agression.

Oh look, paid Russian troll

The troop build up is new.

Donbas is in Ukraine. Buy yourself a map.

 

[theHawk]

who's supporting Putin?

Supporting Putin? Just because we don’t want to get involved between Russia and Ukraine? Because we don’t want another stupid war?

 

[Circe]

That isn't fair with regards to Taiwan. Taiwan has proved to be a sustainable country, with stable political system and developed economy.

Naaaaaah, not with huge, gargantuan China ready at any moment to invade and take them over within ---- how long did the Germans take to conquer Denmark in WWII? Two hours. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Talk about a seriously non-viable situation.

Weak prez, highly vulnerable Taiwan and Ukraine: just give them up, they're gone.

I'm pleased that as of 12/8 the Biden gov. is disclaiming any intent of fighting for either country!! Just not in our national interests. And we'd lose, in both cases.

I suppose we'll trade that NATO won't keep picking away at Russia's border countries.

 

[Circe]

They may as well while there is no United States to stop them.

Yeah, that's what I think, too. Both China and Russia would be foolish to miss this opportunity to move on their long-time goals to take over Taiwan and Ukraine. Biden has already said U.S. troops are off the table, and we KNOW European troops are off the table because they depend on Russian oil ---------- and winter is here.

I guess Biden better skip all that and move on to helping Iran get nuked up so it can devastate Israel and hit where I live in Maryland.