Rural Oregon counties vote to discuss seceding from state to join ‘Greater Idaho’

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains


And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains


And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?

Uhm yeah because we are a constitutional republic, once again if we had mob rule gay marriage would be illegal


The mob rule of california said no to gay marriage as an example
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains


And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?

Uhm yeah because we are a constitutional republic, once again if we had mob rule gay marriage would be illegal


The mob rule of california said no to gay marriage as an example


So conservatives oppose democracy. Well, at least that's out in the open now.

And where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?


Just highlight the relevant passage.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

And they’d better run it all past you first!
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

Yes. But that was not what you initially stated. Don’t hurt yourself back pedaling. Why would Oregon want people who no longer want to be part of Oregon? Maybe Idaho doesn’t mind the extra tax revenue? Why not let it happen?
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

And they’d better run it all past you first!


There's zero indication that its happening.

This is just another variant of the conservative secession fantasy. Where they recognize that they have a shit ideology and unpersuasive message that can't convince the majority. So they want to create a safe space where the people that oppose them can't follow.

Alas, why would the rest of go along with that fantasy?
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

Yes. But that was not what you initially stated. Don’t hurt yourself back pedaling. Why would Oregon want people who no longer want to be part of Oregon? Maybe Idaho doesn’t mind the extra tax revenue? Why not let it happen?

If its such a popular idea.....why isn't it happening? Why there is zero indication of this imaginary border shift?

There's something you're missing.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

And they’d better run it all past you first!


There's zero indication that its happening.

This is just another variant of the conservative secession fantasy. Where they recognize that they have a shit ideology and unpersuasive message that can't convince the majority. So they want to create a safe space where the people that oppose them can't follow.

Alas, why would the rest of go along with that fantasy?

Why do you hate conservatives? They are people too.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

Yes. But that was not what you initially stated. Don’t hurt yourself back pedaling. Why would Oregon want people who no longer want to be part of Oregon? Maybe Idaho doesn’t mind the extra tax revenue? Why not let it happen?

If its such a popular idea.....why isn't it happening? Why there is zero indication of this imaginary border shift?

There's something you're missing.

It’s just a hypothetical. Why are you always so on edge? Need a safe space?
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

And they’d better run it all past you first!


There's zero indication that its happening.

This is just another variant of the conservative secession fantasy. Where they recognize that they have a shit ideology and unpersuasive message that can't convince the majority. So they want to create a safe space where the people that oppose them can't follow.

Alas, why would the rest of go along with that fantasy?

Why do you hate conservatives? They are people too.


Who says I hate conservatives? I just think they need better ideology. And as their huddling around session fantasies demonstrates......they clearly recognize that their idealogy is unpersuasive too.

Else, why try and flee? Why not persuade and convince?
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains


And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?

Uhm yeah because we are a constitutional republic, once again if we had mob rule gay marriage would be illegal


The mob rule of california said no to gay marriage as an example


So conservatives oppose democracy. Well, at least that's out in the open now.

And where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?


Just highlight the relevant passage.

God haven't you ever taken a history lesson?

Or are you so consume by the fact that 73 million people voted for Trump?

West virginia succeeded from Virginia for example way after the constitution was ratified.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

Yes. But that was not what you initially stated. Don’t hurt yourself back pedaling. Why would Oregon want people who no longer want to be part of Oregon? Maybe Idaho doesn’t mind the extra tax revenue? Why not let it happen?

If its such a popular idea.....why isn't it happening? Why there is zero indication of this imaginary border shift?

There's something you're missing.

It’s just a hypothetical. Why are you always so on edge? Need a safe space?

A ridiculously unlikely hypothetical......but one that conservatives are fiercely defensive about.

Why? Rather that concoct one variant of the secession fantasy after another.....wouldn't it be easier to just come up with a better ideology that was vibrant and persuasive?

That way you could convince people to join you rather than try to create some safe space where your ideology was 'protected' from the market place of ideas.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains


And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?

Uhm yeah because we are a constitutional republic, once again if we had mob rule gay marriage would be illegal


The mob rule of california said no to gay marriage as an example


So conservatives oppose democracy. Well, at least that's out in the open now.

And where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?


Just highlight the relevant passage.

God haven't you ever taken a history lesson?

Or are you so consume by the fact that 73 million people voted for Trump?

West virginia succeeded from Virginia for example way after the constitution was ratified.


West Virginia was a new state. And it was created with the consent of the several states

But that's not what we're talking about here, is it? Try again.

Show me in the constitution where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?

 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains


And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?

Uhm yeah because we are a constitutional republic, once again if we had mob rule gay marriage would be illegal


The mob rule of california said no to gay marriage as an example


So conservatives oppose democracy. Well, at least that's out in the open now.

And where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?


Just highlight the relevant passage.



On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
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What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.


You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

And they’d better run it all past you first!


There's zero indication that its happening.

This is just another variant of the conservative secession fantasy. Where they recognize that they have a shit ideology and unpersuasive message that can't convince the majority. So they want to create a safe space where the people that oppose them can't follow.

Alas, why would the rest of go along with that fantasy?

Why do you hate conservatives? They are people too.


Who says I hate conservatives? I just think they need better ideology. And as their huddling around session fantasies demonstrates......they clearly recognize that their idealogy is unpersuasive too.

Else, why try and flee? Why not persuade and convince?

They believe like you only that Leftist ideology is well....inferior.
 
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No
What's the difference? life goes on either way!




The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state


At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.


Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?


Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.


4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...


It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.


Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.


And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy


Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings


Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism


And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?


Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.



No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.



No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy


Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.



No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains


And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?

Uhm yeah because we are a constitutional republic, once again if we had mob rule gay marriage would be illegal


The mob rule of california said no to gay marriage as an example


So conservatives oppose democracy. Well, at least that's out in the open now.

And where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?


Just highlight the relevant passage.

God haven't you ever taken a history lesson?

Or are you so consume by the fact that 73 million people voted for Trump?

West virginia succeeded from Virginia for example way after the constitution was ratified.


West Virginia was a new state. And it was created with the consent of the several states

But that's not what we're talking about here, is it? Try again.

Show me in the constitution where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?



LMFAO, the western counties succeeded from Virginia, you really are bad at history.
 

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