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Rove "Proud" US Tortured Detainees

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Karl Rove “Proud” U.S. Tortured Detainees | The Moderate Voice

Posted by MICHAEL STICKINGS, Assistant Editor in Politics, War.
Mar 12th, 2010 | View Comments

Karl Rove says he is “proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists… Yes, I’m proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They’re appropriate, they’re in conformity with our international requirements and with US law.”

Of course, the U.S. did a lot of nasty things to its detainees, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, and a lot of what it did amounted to torture as defined by any decent human being.

What Rove was specifically focusing on, though, was waterboarding, which he does not consider torture. This is how they get around it. Bush repeatedly said the U.S. doesn’t torture, but it only doesn’t torture if you don’t consider waterboarding torture. It’s just a form of “enhanced interrogation,” a horrible euphemism.

But it is simply incorrect to assert that what the U.S. did conforms with “international requirements” (under the Geneva Conventions) and American law. Unless, of course, in this case, you define waterboarding down — that is, unless you lie about what waterboarding is.

Well, a lot has been written about waterboarding, including by some who have experienced it, but Mark Benjamin’s recent “Waterboarding for dummies” piece at Salon graphically exposed the brutal truth about waterboarding and the use thereof by U.S. interrogators. It’s a must-read, though a deeply disturbing one.

It’s hardly the harmless “dunk in the water” Cheney said it was:
 

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You have to understand

Torture is OK if you think the victim deserves it
 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEtFMj6ZiHM]YouTube - Shepherd Smith drops F-bomb during Freedom Watch: We do not F%$&ing torture!!![/ame]
 

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Torture is never okay.

You know who DOES think it's okay however? Church people. Thank Torquemada and the Puritans (remember Salem?) for injecting the torture is okay mentality all across the human spectrum.

And the fucked up thing? Once it's connected to "pure" religion, people tend to think it's okay.

Remember.........Bush Jr. had Bible verses on his Pentagon briefing papers for the war in Iraq.

Remember when he said God wanted him to be president?
 

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Torture is never okay.

You know who DOES think it's okay however? Church people. Thank Torquemada and the Puritans (remember Salem?) for injecting the torture is okay mentality all across the human spectrum.

And the fucked up thing? Once it's connected to "pure" religion, people tend to think it's okay.

Remember.........Bush Jr. had Bible verses on his Pentagon briefing papers for the war in Iraq.

Remember when he said God wanted him to be president?

Jesus loved the waterboard
 

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You have to understand

Torture is OK if you think the victim deserves it

You liberoidal guys are such fucking compulsive liars.

The thread headline is false.

Your post is false, too, of course, LeftWinger.

No accident, either.

Mr. Rove did not say that he was proud that the US tortured anybody. He didn't use the term "torture" at all: and the reason you lying libs guys engage in your deliberate efforts at deception is because YOU choose to believe (or claim) that waterboarding "is" torture.

It still isn't.
 

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You have to understand

Torture is OK if you think the victim deserves it

wow...they are victims now? which is your favorite flavor koolaid? Apparently, you've had a chance to taste every flavor out there...
 

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There was some torture at ABU Grahib, and those who supposedly were responsible were tried and punished. I still ask, where the hell was their Sergeant? But water boarding 3 prime terrorists? Not torture.
 

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Torture is never okay.

You know who DOES think it's okay however? Church people. Thank Torquemada and the Puritans (remember Salem?) for injecting the torture is okay mentality all across the human spectrum.

And the fucked up thing? Once it's connected to "pure" religion, people tend to think it's okay.

Remember.........Bush Jr. had Bible verses on his Pentagon briefing papers for the war in Iraq.

Remember when he said God wanted him to be president?

Christ, they ALL say God wanted him to be President. Remember when every black preacher out there was saying the same thing about Obama?
 

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You have to understand

Torture is OK if you think the victim deserves it

You liberoidal guys are such fucking compulsive liars.

The thread headline is false.

Your post is false, too, of course, LeftWinger.

No accident, either.

Mr. Rove did not say that he was proud that the US tortured anybody. He didn't use the term "torture" at all: and the reason you lying libs guys engage in your deliberate efforts at deception is because YOU choose to believe (or claim) that waterboarding "is" torture.

It still isn't.

I'm sorry..

I forgot. Waterboarding is not torture if we do it. Its "enhanced interrogation"

When it was used against US soldiers in WWII we prosecuted the japanese for war crimes. Maybe the Japanese should have called it "enhanced interrogation"
 

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Hmmmm...they chop the heads off of civilians.

We waterboard them to find out who they are planning to kill next.

The two are not morally equalivent.
 

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You have to understand

Torture is OK if you think the victim deserves it

You liberoidal guys are such fucking compulsive liars.

The thread headline is false.

Your post is false, too, of course, LeftWinger.

No accident, either.

Mr. Rove did not say that he was proud that the US tortured anybody. He didn't use the term "torture" at all: and the reason you lying libs guys engage in your deliberate efforts at deception is because YOU choose to believe (or claim) that waterboarding "is" torture.

It still isn't.

I'm sorry..

I forgot. Waterboarding is not torture if we do it. Its "enhanced interrogation"

When it was used against US soldiers in WWII we prosecuted the japanese for war crimes. Maybe the Japanese should have called it "enhanced interrogation"
Maybe you ought to do some actual research into what japanese water torture was actually all about, instead of repeating loony left wing talking points.
 
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Waterboarding is not torture. Sorry. It just scares the fuck out of the jihadi's and they spill their guts.
According to the Geneva Conventions, water boarding is torture.
The US prosecuted Japanese for using water boarding.
 

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besides, why are they so afraid to die??? they've all got 72 virgins waiting for them at Allah's crib.
 

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Waterboarding IS torture.

Know who started the trend? Torquemada, during the Spanish Inquisition.
 

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Japanese Water torture included forcing water into ones stomach then jumping on them or smacking the full stomach with a board. No comparison.
 

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