Root Cause of Most Mass Shootings in America

[rightwinger]

And none of it makes much sense.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?
Those things would have cost much more than the $40 for the old WWI surplus rifle.
And Oswald did not even have a car, so how is he getting around with this rifle, to practive at a range, and to get it to the book depository?

Oswald bought his bolt action WWI rifle for $19.95 out of a magazine. It came with a scope. You would think that someone backed by the Soviets would have a decent sniper rifle.

Oswald could not afford a car and had $200 to his name. You would think someone backed by the Soviet’s would have a car to make his escape in. Oswald escaped on the bus.

Not much of a conspiracy

 

[Rigby5]

And none of it makes much sense.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?
Those things would have cost much more than the $40 for the old WWI surplus rifle.
And Oswald did not even have a car, so how is he getting around with this rifle, to practive at a range, and to get it to the book depository?

Oswald bought his bolt action WWI rifle for $19.95 out of a magazine. It came with a scope. You would think that someone backed by the Soviets would have a decent sniper rifle.

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Oswald could not afford a car and had $200 to his name. You would think someone backed by the Soviet’s would have a car to make his escape in. Oswald escaped on the bus.

Not much of a conspiracy

Exactly.
If it came already with a scope, then it was a WWI era scope, which was awful.
Very low power, like 3x, and very narrow field of vision, like 25 mm.
And it would need careful readjustment to repair it being banged around in shipping.
Modern scopes can be up to 18x and 70 mm width.
The odds of someone being able to hit anything with this are very low.

And the soviets would not have wanted Kennedy killed.
Kennedy was more liberal than the norm.
Certainly more liberal then Johnson.
For example, he ensured the Bay of Pigs operation not only failed due to lack of air support, but that they could not escape and conduct guerilla warfare.

 

[Unkotare]

The root cause is clearly a shortage of duck.

 

[rightwinger]

If it came already with a scope, then it was a WWI era scope, which was awful.
Very low power, like 3x, and very narrow field of vision, like 25 mm.
And it would need careful readjustment to repair it being banged around in shipping.

I agree with you

I think Oswald missed his first shot because he was trying to follow a moving target with that crappy scope.

I believe he may have abandoned the scope and used the rifle sights on the next two shots that killed the President

 

[Rigby5]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Huh..gotta admit..I never have once heard that JFK was a victim of Right-wing anything. I've always held the view that Oswald was acting as an agent of USSR...JFK had the Kremlin seriously worried that he was going to start..and win..a nuclear war. As we know now..the USSR was a paper tiger as regards its nuclear forces. JFK just wouldn't stop pushing.
So they had a mentally disturbed ex-marine defector with a Russian wife--who better to pull a trigger--Jack Ruby's killing Oswald clipped the loose end...and Ruby's death made it the perfect crime.

Anyone would have been better than someone with a Russian wife.
And Russia was not at all afraid of Kennedy.
Kennedy was much more leftist than the pentagon or the Dulles brothers.
Kennedy is the last person that Russia would have wanted dead.
Kennedy had given in to the Russians on the Cuban MIssile Crisis, and removed our nuclear ICBMs from Turkey.
Kennedy was the most pro-Russia president we ever had.

 

[justinacolmena]

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

The Gun Control Act of 1968.
Mental health as a prohibiting factor for firearms ownership.

 

[Rigby5]

If it came already with a scope, then it was a WWI era scope, which was awful.
Very low power, like 3x, and very narrow field of vision, like 25 mm.
And it would need careful readjustment to repair it being banged around in shipping.

I agree with you

I think Oswald missed his first shot because he was trying to follow a moving target with that crappy scope.

I believe he may have abandoned the scope and used the rifle sights on the next two shots that killed the President

Not impossible, but from behind he would only have seen or had a shot at Kennedy's head, which is a fairly small target for someone who never shot the rifle before and had not been at a range in over a decade.

 

[2aguy]

And none of it makes much sense.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?
Those things would have cost much more than the $40 for the old WWI surplus rifle.
And Oswald did not even have a car, so how is he getting around with this rifle, to practive at a range, and to get it to the book depository?

Oswald bought his bolt action WWI rifle for $19.95 out of a magazine. It came with a scope. You would think that someone backed by the Soviets would have a decent sniper rifle.

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Oswald could not afford a car and had $200 to his name. You would think someone backed by the Soviet’s would have a car to make his escape in. Oswald escaped on the bus.

Not much of a conspiracy

Who said he was backed by the soviets.......he was a lone actor.

 

[Rigby5]

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

The Gun Control Act of 1968.
Mental health as a prohibiting factor for firearms ownership.

The cause of an increase of psychotic shootings came from Reagan closing all the mental health facilities in 1981.

{...
The Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 (MHSA) was United States legislation signed by President Jimmy Carter which provided grants to community mental health centers. In 1981 President Ronald Reagan and the U.S. Congress repealed most of the law. The MHSA was considered landmark legislation in mental health care policy.
...}

This repeal did not just go back to what it was in 1980, but essentially ended all mental health facilities across the entire country, causing prisons to be the only option left for the mentally unbalanced.

 

[2aguy]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

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Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

Yes....they are simply nuts from the get go, there was no going nuts, they just are nuts. They burned, looted, beat and murdered Americans for the last 7 months.........they are insane and evil.

 

[justinacolmena]

Reagan closing all the mental health facilities in 1981.

Reagan was a man of God.

 

[2aguy]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

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Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

 

[Rigby5]

And none of it makes much sense.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?
Those things would have cost much more than the $40 for the old WWI surplus rifle.
And Oswald did not even have a car, so how is he getting around with this rifle, to practive at a range, and to get it to the book depository?

Oswald bought his bolt action WWI rifle for $19.95 out of a magazine. It came with a scope. You would think that someone backed by the Soviets would have a decent sniper rifle.

View attachment 420380

Oswald could not afford a car and had $200 to his name. You would think someone backed by the Soviet’s would have a car to make his escape in. Oswald escaped on the bus.

Not much of a conspiracy

Who said he was backed by the soviets.......he was a lone actor.

But since Kennedy had given the Soviets everything they wanted on the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was not the Soviets that would want Kennedy dead, it would have been the Pentagon who did.
And a lone actor still would not have likely been able to get that rifle to a range and been able to ensure it worked, much less practice with it.

 

[22lcidw]

If it came already with a scope, then it was a WWI era scope, which was awful.
Very low power, like 3x, and very narrow field of vision, like 25 mm.
And it would need careful readjustment to repair it being banged around in shipping.

I agree with you

I think Oswald missed his first shot because he was trying to follow a moving target with that crappy scope.

I believe he may have abandoned the scope and used the rifle sights on the next two shots that killed the President

What makes the conspiracy part believable was that Oswald was killed. That is some whacked security for a major police department.

 

[2aguy]

And none of it makes much sense.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?
Those things would have cost much more than the $40 for the old WWI surplus rifle.
And Oswald did not even have a car, so how is he getting around with this rifle, to practive at a range, and to get it to the book depository?

Oswald bought his bolt action WWI rifle for $19.95 out of a magazine. It came with a scope. You would think that someone backed by the Soviets would have a decent sniper rifle.

View attachment 420380

Oswald could not afford a car and had $200 to his name. You would think someone backed by the Soviet’s would have a car to make his escape in. Oswald escaped on the bus.

Not much of a conspiracy

Who said he was backed by the soviets.......he was a lone actor.

But since Kennedy had given the Soviets everything they wanted on the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was not the Soviets that would want Kennedy dead, it would have been the Pentagon who did.
And a lone actor still would not have likely been able to get that rifle to a range and been able to ensure it worked, much less practice with it.

Why wouldn't he have been able to get that rifle to a range.....if he even needed to with the easy shot he took at Kennedy?

This was back in the 60s he could have gone to an empty field and shot the rifle...

 

[Rigby5]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

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Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

Of course Stalinism is extremely right wing.
It is profit motivated for a wealthy elite.
Can't get any more right wing than that.
Russia, China, Cambodia, etc., were not at all even remotely socialist, because socialism requires a cooperative and collaborative democratic republic.
When you have a central dictatorship favoring the elite, that is right wing capitalism.

 

[Mac-7]

More people--more violence...mass shootings roughly follow the population curve. Also, the desensitization of the populace to violence and the covert advocacy of violence to solve issues. Movies, video games and the media all play their parts. School shootings have become the "thing" for whack jobs...they find a certain affirmation in the media coverage that makes them an attractive option.We get hung up on gun violence..but we are, and have always been, a violent culture. Mass murders, genocides and the like are part of the human gestalt.

Your point seems to be the Religion inhibits violence. History would disagree with your position..in general. In America/ I dunno..I went to school in the 50's and 60's--in a small town. We were taught that men fought..and that church was something you went to on Sundays. I was never told in school anything about religion, God or being special.

Actually there were more guns in the hands of children in previous generations

kids used to bring guns to school and go hunting after classes

now liberal culture demonizes kids who like guns

violence with guns is increasing because of our insane liberal culture

 

[justinacolmena]

the easy shot he took at Kennedy?

The Kennedys made too many enemies out of good people.
Rosemary should not have had part of her brain cut out for the pleasure of her mother, father, or brother.
The Kennedys have not denied those vicious and totaliatarian mental health policies to this day.

 

[2aguy]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

View attachment 260547
View attachment 260546

Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

Of course Stalinism is extremely right wing.
It is profit motivated for a wealthy elite.
Can't get any more right wing than that.
Russia, China, Cambodia, etc., were not at all even remotely socialist, because socialism requires a cooperative and collaborative democratic republic.
When you have a central dictatorship favoring the elite, that is right wing capitalism.

Wow...you are dumb...

 

[Rigby5]

And none of it makes much sense.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?
Those things would have cost much more than the $40 for the old WWI surplus rifle.
And Oswald did not even have a car, so how is he getting around with this rifle, to practive at a range, and to get it to the book depository?

Oswald bought his bolt action WWI rifle for $19.95 out of a magazine. It came with a scope. You would think that someone backed by the Soviets would have a decent sniper rifle.

View attachment 420380

Oswald could not afford a car and had $200 to his name. You would think someone backed by the Soviet’s would have a car to make his escape in. Oswald escaped on the bus.

Not much of a conspiracy

Who said he was backed by the soviets.......he was a lone actor.

But since Kennedy had given the Soviets everything they wanted on the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was not the Soviets that would want Kennedy dead, it would have been the Pentagon who did.
And a lone actor still would not have likely been able to get that rifle to a range and been able to ensure it worked, much less practice with it.

Why wouldn't he have been able to get that rifle to a range.....if he even needed to with the easy shot he took at Kennedy?

This was back in the 60s he could have gone to an empty field and shot the rifle...

Not in Dallas where Oswald lived.
The neighbors would have called the police due to the risk of a rifle that had a 2 mile range.
Especially in TX, people would know their gun safety rules.
And its not like he could just take the bus to a range to practice.
Bus drivers won't let people on board with a rifle.

And it was not an easy shot.
From behind, the car would have blocked all but the head.
And moving targets are always hard.
Shooting downward is also weird, you have to compensate for even more drop, when one would assume there would be less drop. Very counterintuitive.